Published: Friday, April 11 2014 10:02 p.m. MDT
"The stated purpose of the Affordable Care Act was to provide coverage for
all Americans, over 40 million of whom, by most estimates, have no health
insurance. The 7.1 million signups constitute less than one-fifth of that
number. In academic terms, a score less than 20 percent is clearly a failing
grade."First off... the mandate has an opt-out provision/tax so
you can't get everyone covered without single payer (the Obama
administration never claimed it'd get everyone insured).Secondly, there's a lot of those millenials who do have insurance because
of staying on their parents plan until they're 26, otherwise a fair number
of them would be insured.Most importantly, you forget all the people
who got health insurance from the Medicaid expansion... and then the 5 million
more who would've gotten health insurance from the Medicaid expansion...
except Republican governors decided against doing the expansion so that's
hardly Obama's fault.
"Republican leadership" Now there's something that
really "doesn't hold up to scrutiny".Bring on 2016!
The Deseret News: Printing Anti-Obama, all day, every day.
Bravo Deseret NewsI've been pointing that fact out for months
now and have felt like a voice in the wilderness. Yes, Obamacare ACA is a
complete sham. It was sold to the gullible Americans on helping out the 40
million uninsured, (most of whom were just between jobs or living in their
parents basements.) Truth is, the Democrats never really had that goal in mind.
What they wanted was to begin the country down the road toward a Single Payer
system. Or socialized health care. Obama has been recorded as saying that very
thing in the past, that we couldn't change it to a single payer system in
one step, but that it would take incremental changes. His is the first really
big move toward that. So, now that we can all see what ACA was about, we can
argue the merits of MANY providers for health care, or ONE. ONE being the Big
Brother, Sister, Mother, Father, and Uncle Government. For me, I'll take
the private sector over bureaucratic medicine.
Anyone who wants to champion the success of the Affordable Care Act has to
recognize one sobering fact: Its most controversial feature, the individual
mandate, has not even taken full effect.When those millions of still
uninsured Americans (who the law was supposed to help) start getting fined ..er,
sorry, taxed for their poverty and their unwillingness to have other Americans
subsidize them, then you can return and we can have a conversation about whether
or not the law is a success.
Remember when Bill Clinton was saying "it depends on what the meaning of
what "is" is?:Conservatives have gone from predicting that
Oabamacare would lead to a "healthcare death spiral" to arguing about
"the definition of success". Now that 7 million people have signed up,
and no death spiral has occurred, the right will just keep moving the bar. When you have to start parsing the exact wording of an argument you are
in big trouble.
“7.1 million people signed up for coverage prior to April 1. Does that
constitute a genuine ‘success story?’To answer
‘yes,’ one has to radically redefine the definition of
success.”WRONG. To answer “yes,” one only has to
know and accept the definition of success.Achieving one’s goal
IS success. And the Obama administration achieved its goal of signing up 7
million people by April 1st.And that’s just one success.
Plenty of other successes lie ahead for the Obamacare.Right Wingers
can fret and fume, lie and deny, and attempt to redefine our language, but that
doesn’t change reality.You might as well get used to seeing a
string of successes for Obamacare AND America.
I am disappointed that the Deseret News continues its efforts to undermine the
law of the land. It is sad that you have gotten on board the right wing express
in its effort to subvert an effort to get more people on health insurance,
lowering costs for the rest of us and reducing the number of bankruptcies and
other problems because people, for whatever reason, do not have health
insurance. The ACA is a process. It will not have instant universal
application. Efforts like your ongoing subversions have caused many to not
comply with the law, so it will take longer than hoped to get more people
covered. I would suggest you go back and review the 12th Article of Faith. You
are not adhering to your own beliefs. The bottom line is you and your right
wingers have offered nothing of serious substance as an alternative. You have
not offered anything to tweak the law. All I see is whining and complaining,
and a failure to be law abiding voices in the public discourse. Shame on you.
I expected better.
Here we go again, the DN taking only part of the story to support their own
opinion. No where in the article does it mention the millions of others who got
coverage because of the ACA. Several million more were covered when children
were allowed to stay on their parents policy until 26. Several more million
were covered through Medicare and more were covered under other state policies
that did not roll up under healthcare.gov. The ACA has brought new, better
coverage to many more than the 7.1 million you chide.I read the DN to gain
an understanding of how others look upon the world. What I often find is
shallow reporting and extreme bias. Come on DN, we want news, not satire. Give
us the truth, the whole truth and let us make up our own opinion.
So the attitude the DN is displaying here is that regardless of what the ACA
accomplishes we will be able to find some set of numbers or previous statements
to prove it is not successful. After all we went out on the
Republican limb and declared it an abomination before it ever started and
without any kind of reasonable alternative. Why stop now?
McKinsey Research: "Only 14% of Obamacare exchange sign-ups are previously
uninsured enrollees". That's less than 1 million previously uninsured
who now have health insurance and at what cost? It would have been far less
expensive to just write them a check and avoid all the lies, the wasted money
and all the damage done to our healthcare system. November can't come soon
Schnee makes a good point. It's entirely disingenuous for the
D-News to be laying less-than-full enrollment figures at Obama's feet while
states like Utah have opted to leave many, many people with no coverage. Talk
about a set up...The double-standard is nauseating, kind of like
Utahns complaining that Utah's large class sizes are not its fault, that
school children demographics are unalterable, and then claiming victory because
Utah gets it's tax freedom day four days before other states. (Just be
honest and admit education is not a priority. The candor would be refreshing.)
The "Deniers" making up excuses for obama all day, every day.
Two things to remember for all of you folks that are defending the
indefensible.1) This magic 7 million number is a number that was
set by the Obama administration as a benchmark of success) They obviously
didn't set the bar very high.2) Half of the 7 million are
people that were kicked off their insurance and forced to get insurance through
the exchanges.This is a dismal failure, and anyone with any
objectivity can plainly see the numbers this administration uses are
"cooked" to help their cause.
In the media frenzy where we're fed nothing but the Administrations
garbage, it's refreshing to read an editorial that gives facts about
ObamaCare. That program is an absolute failure. Next year, when people have to
pay the penalty for being uninsured this year, they will finally see what kind
of ponzi scheme ObamaCare really is. Young people think that they're
invincible. ObamaCare doesn't matter to them. They will pay the (minor)
fine rather than buy something that they think that they don't need.
That's what being an American means, having the RIGHT to NOT buy government
required insurance. That requirement is not in the Constitution. The Court
refused to rule on the Constitutionality of ObamaCare, but they called it a TAX.
They didn't rule on the constitutionality of that tax.The
Deseret News is to be complemented on telling its readers that ObamaCare is not
the "success" claimed by the Administration.
"(the Obama administration never claimed it'd get everyone
insured)." Who knows, but, let me be clear. Obama did make that claim 30+
times. The 7 million signs ups are offset by the 5 million that have lost their
insurance.I suppose you can claim tax collection is a success, since
most Americans by law are forced to pay their taxes every year. Which we all
know obamacare is a tax. Because that is the only way it could be put into law
after going through the supreme court. Have you forgotten about that? Obama
cannot force people to buy a product, but, he can tax people into submission.
And we know what a success story taxes are.Either way, time will
tell. If the system works out and everyone is happy, great. He'll have one
achievement for his 8 years in office. If it fails, then it's all of us
that will be hurting. Let me be clear, the rich will come out of this just fine.
Buffett, Clintons, Reid, Pelosi, obamas, gates.....wait all democrats! Unless
they get caught in affairs, fraud....oh wait they all have already.
Lets shut down government again, cancel all the 7,000,000 plus new persons in
the healthcare system, shut down medicare and social security. That plus losing
another ten years of elections may make the point.
Every independent analysis shows that the actual number of previously uninsured
people who now have coverage is around 9.4 million, if you include Medicaid
expansion. Those states that have rejected Medicaid money seem prompted to do so
by nothing but the pettiest of political motives. The ACA is working, and the
conservative response is, ostrich-like, to jam their collective heads ever
firmer into the sand. As evidenced by this preposterous editorial.
Almost anything Obamacare results in will be better than the current system that
has allowed:- excluding people with pre-existing conditions from
coverage- cancellation of coverage for covered people who develop a
serious illness- out of control fees by hospitals and doctors which are
now unaffordable for families and business with no plan in sight by the private
market to correct this- no realistic GOP plan in sight- a healthcare
system that is breaking the financial back of AmericaSo at least
Obamacare is a start to address these issues - albeit far from perfect. We need
to do better - so let hear what the GOP or anyone else has in mind
Wow. What a surprise.A right wing propaganda website produces
anti-Obamacare rhetoric.I wish the Dnews would go back to being a
news outlet. Sure, they can have a conservative bias. That's fine. But this
propaganda that they put out does nothing to inform or enlighten.Then again, what can we expect from an agency that recently defended Swallow?
Thank goodness the tribune actually did some reporting and got that criminal out
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