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Published: Friday, April 11 2014 10:02 p.m. MDT

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Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

"The stated purpose of the Affordable Care Act was to provide coverage for all Americans, over 40 million of whom, by most estimates, have no health insurance. The 7.1 million signups constitute less than one-fifth of that number. In academic terms, a score less than 20 percent is clearly a failing grade."

First off... the mandate has an opt-out provision/tax so you can't get everyone covered without single payer (the Obama administration never claimed it'd get everyone insured).

Secondly, there's a lot of those millenials who do have insurance because of staying on their parents plan until they're 26, otherwise a fair number of them would be insured.

Most importantly, you forget all the people who got health insurance from the Medicaid expansion... and then the 5 million more who would've gotten health insurance from the Medicaid expansion... except Republican governors decided against doing the expansion so that's hardly Obama's fault.

embarrassed Utahn!
Salt Lake City, UT

"Republican leadership"

Now there's something that really "doesn't hold up to scrutiny".

Bring on 2016!

Ranch
Here, UT

The Deseret News: Printing Anti-Obama, all day, every day.

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

Bravo Deseret News

I've been pointing that fact out for months now and have felt like a voice in the wilderness. Yes, Obamacare ACA is a complete sham. It was sold to the gullible Americans on helping out the 40 million uninsured, (most of whom were just between jobs or living in their parents basements.) Truth is, the Democrats never really had that goal in mind. What they wanted was to begin the country down the road toward a Single Payer system. Or socialized health care. Obama has been recorded as saying that very thing in the past, that we couldn't change it to a single payer system in one step, but that it would take incremental changes. His is the first really big move toward that. So, now that we can all see what ACA was about, we can argue the merits of MANY providers for health care, or ONE. ONE being the Big Brother, Sister, Mother, Father, and Uncle Government. For me, I'll take the private sector over bureaucratic medicine.

David King
Layton, UT

Anyone who wants to champion the success of the Affordable Care Act has to recognize one sobering fact: Its most controversial feature, the individual mandate, has not even taken full effect.

When those millions of still uninsured Americans (who the law was supposed to help) start getting fined ..er, sorry, taxed for their poverty and their unwillingness to have other Americans subsidize them, then you can return and we can have a conversation about whether or not the law is a success.

liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

Remember when Bill Clinton was saying "it depends on what the meaning of what "is" is?:

Conservatives have gone from predicting that Oabamacare would lead to a "healthcare death spiral" to arguing about "the definition of success". Now that 7 million people have signed up, and no death spiral has occurred, the right will just keep moving the bar.

When you have to start parsing the exact wording of an argument you are in big trouble.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

“7.1 million people signed up for coverage prior to April 1. Does that constitute a genuine ‘success story?’

To answer ‘yes,’ one has to radically redefine the definition of success.”

WRONG. To answer “yes,” one only has to know and accept the definition of success.

Achieving one’s goal IS success. And the Obama administration achieved its goal of signing up 7 million people by April 1st.

And that’s just one success. Plenty of other successes lie ahead for the Obamacare.

Right Wingers can fret and fume, lie and deny, and attempt to redefine our language, but that doesn’t change reality.

You might as well get used to seeing a string of successes for Obamacare AND America.

Esquire
Springville, UT

I am disappointed that the Deseret News continues its efforts to undermine the law of the land. It is sad that you have gotten on board the right wing express in its effort to subvert an effort to get more people on health insurance, lowering costs for the rest of us and reducing the number of bankruptcies and other problems because people, for whatever reason, do not have health insurance. The ACA is a process. It will not have instant universal application. Efforts like your ongoing subversions have caused many to not comply with the law, so it will take longer than hoped to get more people covered. I would suggest you go back and review the 12th Article of Faith. You are not adhering to your own beliefs. The bottom line is you and your right wingers have offered nothing of serious substance as an alternative. You have not offered anything to tweak the law. All I see is whining and complaining, and a failure to be law abiding voices in the public discourse. Shame on you. I expected better.

FT
salt lake city, UT

Here we go again, the DN taking only part of the story to support their own opinion. No where in the article does it mention the millions of others who got coverage because of the ACA. Several million more were covered when children were allowed to stay on their parents policy until 26. Several more million were covered through Medicare and more were covered under other state policies that did not roll up under healthcare.gov. The ACA has brought new, better coverage to many more than the 7.1 million you chide.
I read the DN to gain an understanding of how others look upon the world. What I often find is shallow reporting and extreme bias. Come on DN, we want news, not satire. Give us the truth, the whole truth and let us make up our own opinion.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

So the attitude the DN is displaying here is that regardless of what the ACA accomplishes we will be able to find some set of numbers or previous statements to prove it is not successful.

After all we went out on the Republican limb and declared it an abomination before it ever started and without any kind of reasonable alternative. Why stop now?

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

McKinsey Research: "Only 14% of Obamacare exchange sign-ups are previously uninsured enrollees". That's less than 1 million previously uninsured who now have health insurance and at what cost? It would have been far less expensive to just write them a check and avoid all the lies, the wasted money and all the damage done to our healthcare system. November can't come soon enough!

10CC
Bountiful, UT

Schnee makes a good point.

It's entirely disingenuous for the D-News to be laying less-than-full enrollment figures at Obama's feet while states like Utah have opted to leave many, many people with no coverage. Talk about a set up...

The double-standard is nauseating, kind of like Utahns complaining that Utah's large class sizes are not its fault, that school children demographics are unalterable, and then claiming victory because Utah gets it's tax freedom day four days before other states. (Just be honest and admit education is not a priority. The candor would be refreshing.)

Ltrain
St. George, UT

The "Deniers" making up excuses for obama all day, every day.

Ltrain
St. George, UT

Two things to remember for all of you folks that are defending the indefensible.

1) This magic 7 million number is a number that was set by the Obama administration as a benchmark of success) They obviously didn't set the bar very high.

2) Half of the 7 million are people that were kicked off their insurance and forced to get insurance through the exchanges.

This is a dismal failure, and anyone with any objectivity can plainly see the numbers this administration uses are "cooked" to help their cause.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

In the media frenzy where we're fed nothing but the Administrations garbage, it's refreshing to read an editorial that gives facts about ObamaCare. That program is an absolute failure. Next year, when people have to pay the penalty for being uninsured this year, they will finally see what kind of ponzi scheme ObamaCare really is. Young people think that they're invincible. ObamaCare doesn't matter to them. They will pay the (minor) fine rather than buy something that they think that they don't need. That's what being an American means, having the RIGHT to NOT buy government required insurance. That requirement is not in the Constitution. The Court refused to rule on the Constitutionality of ObamaCare, but they called it a TAX. They didn't rule on the constitutionality of that tax.

The Deseret News is to be complemented on telling its readers that ObamaCare is not the "success" claimed by the Administration.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

"(the Obama administration never claimed it'd get everyone insured)." Who knows, but, let me be clear. Obama did make that claim 30+ times. The 7 million signs ups are offset by the 5 million that have lost their insurance.

I suppose you can claim tax collection is a success, since most Americans by law are forced to pay their taxes every year. Which we all know obamacare is a tax. Because that is the only way it could be put into law after going through the supreme court. Have you forgotten about that? Obama cannot force people to buy a product, but, he can tax people into submission. And we know what a success story taxes are.

Either way, time will tell. If the system works out and everyone is happy, great. He'll have one achievement for his 8 years in office. If it fails, then it's all of us that will be hurting. Let me be clear, the rich will come out of this just fine. Buffett, Clintons, Reid, Pelosi, obamas, gates.....wait all democrats! Unless they get caught in affairs, fraud....oh wait they all have already.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Lets shut down government again, cancel all the 7,000,000 plus new persons in the healthcare system, shut down medicare and social security. That plus losing another ten years of elections may make the point.

E Sam
Provo, UT

Every independent analysis shows that the actual number of previously uninsured people who now have coverage is around 9.4 million, if you include Medicaid expansion. Those states that have rejected Medicaid money seem prompted to do so by nothing but the pettiest of political motives. The ACA is working, and the conservative response is, ostrich-like, to jam their collective heads ever firmer into the sand. As evidenced by this preposterous editorial.

Meckofahess
Salt Lake City, UT

Almost anything Obamacare results in will be better than the current system that has allowed:
- excluding people with pre-existing conditions from coverage
- cancellation of coverage for covered people who develop a serious illness
- out of control fees by hospitals and doctors which are now unaffordable for families and business with no plan in sight by the private market to correct this
- no realistic GOP plan in sight
- a healthcare system that is breaking the financial back of America

So at least Obamacare is a start to address these issues - albeit far from perfect. We need to do better - so let hear what the GOP or anyone else has in mind

FreedomFighter41
Provo, UT

Wow. What a surprise.

A right wing propaganda website produces anti-Obamacare rhetoric.

I wish the Dnews would go back to being a news outlet. Sure, they can have a conservative bias. That's fine. But this propaganda that they put out does nothing to inform or enlighten.

Then again, what can we expect from an agency that recently defended Swallow? Thank goodness the tribune actually did some reporting and got that criminal out of office!

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