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  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 14, 2014 7:16 p.m.

    Wyoming cougar:

    Houston, Cincinnati, UConn, and UCF are "midmajors", and it appears as though it's going to take you FIVE YEARS just to get to travel to Mississippi, Texas, Ga. Tech, Virginia, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Michigan, and Notre Dame. And of those 8 locations, only 2 were Home-&-Homes. Four were one-offs, and the rest 2-for-1s. Plus, since 2011, you'd only be averaging 4.2 games per season vs. Power 5/BCS opponents....and that's only IF you included all those AAC teams from 2013, who were only grandfathered in as BCS teams. Plus, if you count going forward only, to 2015, you have 5 games...or 2.5 per season.

    So like I said...you AREN'T "traveling the country to play real big boy teams in real stadiums". And THAT's why you should bite the bullet, swallow you misplaced pride, and accept a 2-for-1, or risk playing a more "midmajorey" schedule.

  • wyoming cougar Green River, WY
    April 14, 2014 6:02 p.m.

    naval vet:
    "Because you're NOT traveling the country to play real big boy teams in real stadiums. You're only going to Austin and Berkeley."

    Really? Let's see, just since becoming Independent BYU has been or will be within the next couple of years at Mississippi, Texas, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Houston, Notre Dame (several times), Wisconsin, Nebraska, Michigan, Cincinatti, UConn, UCF, etc and several Pac-10 teams not named utah.

    Not all of these teams have the best records (and there have been some other smaller teams along the way) but most of them are big boy teams, all from automatic qualifying conferences, and all over the country. Much better in my book than being stuck in an annual series with utah.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 13, 2014 6:38 p.m.

    phoenix:

    What's the point of those random statistics? Which Washington teams that Bronco had faced had also faced the Utes? And which Washington teams that Kyle had faced had also faced the cougars?

    Besides, Utah's lifetime record against the cougars favors Utah, and similarly, Kyle's lifetime record against Bronco favors Kyle. And that's all one really needs to know as to which is the superior team/program/coach.

    Edge: Utah/Kyle Whittingham

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 13, 2014 3:31 p.m.

    phoenix:

    And the Y is 0-forever vs. USC, whereas Utah is not. So what? We already know what the lifetime record of Utah vs. the Provo cougs is, and that it favors Utah by nearly a quarter century. So I guess that ultimately settles that, doesn't it? Utah is the better team/program. Case closed.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    April 13, 2014 9:24 a.m.

    Uteology

    Bronco 9-9 (50%) versus PAC 12 teams, including 2-1 versus Washington.

    Kyle 13-21 (38%) versus PAC 12 teams, including 0-2 versus Washington.

    Lifetime, BYU is 4-5, Utah 0-8, versus Washington.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 12, 2014 9:58 p.m.

    wyoming cougar:

    "Why go 2-for-1 with a local 'big conference' bottom-feeder when you can travel the country and play real big boy teams in real stadiums."

    Because you're NOT traveling the country to play real big boy teams in real stadiums. You're only going to Austin and Berkeley.

  • wyoming cougar Green River, WY
    April 12, 2014 2:03 p.m.

    BYU would be foolish to ever schedule a 2-for-1 with the utes. There are so many other, high profile teams in the country that would meet BYU's goals of exposure than utah. (Like Texas, Notre Dame, and other pac-10 schools and eastern schools).

    Why go 2-for-1 with a local "big conference" bottom-feeder when you can travel the country and play real big boy teams in real stadiums. Win or lose, I'd much rather see BYU play teams that consistently go to bowl games and give players and fans the chance to travel the country than go to salt lake.

    In fact, better to go 2-for-1 with those other programs than even 1-for-1 with utah in my opinion- the ugliness in this rivalry has just gotten out of control.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    April 12, 2014 8:07 a.m.

    We shall see. If this year's team still cannot punch the ball into the end zone, from the RED ZONE, their no huddle offense will, once again, be a mere gimmick.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 12, 2014 12:33 a.m.

    SportsFan
    Orem, UT

    navelvet

    "Bronco all time: ... 3 wins vs teams with winning record"

    LOL at your hyperbole.

    Kyle is 13-21 (38%) lifetime versus PAC opponents, only THREE wins versus teams with winning records, only ONE since joining the conference.

    Remind us that last time the Utes won a road game against a PAC team with a winning record...

    -----------

    It was you, not me, that made the claim the you would beat 6-7 Washington, when you haven't beat such a team since 1997.

    It was you that made a claim that BYU would be competitive in the PAC-12 even though Utah and TCU have struggled in a tougher league with MWC talent.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 11, 2014 9:59 p.m.

    SportsFan:

    "LOL at your disingenuous spin."

    How is "Whoops! I stand corrected" disingenuous? Don't be so frantic and emotional.

    "Bronco and Kyle both have THREE wins over PAC teams with winning records, the biggest difference, Kyle has played nearly TWICE as many PAC opponents as Bronco."

    OR...the biggest difference was that the 3 Pac-12 teams Kyle beat averaged 9-wins, whereas the 3 Bronco beat averaged 7. Kyle's wins > Bronco's.

  • Hank Jr Draper, UT
    April 11, 2014 7:51 p.m.

    The Cougar's offensive and defensive lines are lacking in speed and quickness. Robert Anae needs to address this issue in order to be successful.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    April 11, 2014 3:45 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    LOL at your disingenuous spin.

    "Lifetime, Whittingham is 12-16 (.429), and has wins over the following Pac-10/12 teams with winning records:

    1. 8-5 Oregon (2003)
    2. 8-6 Cal (2003)
    3. 9-4 Ore St (2008)
    4. 8-5 Cal (2009)
    5. 11-3 Stanford (2013)"

    Urban Meyer, NOT, Kyle Whittingham, was Utah's head coach in 2003.

    Don't know where you're getting your made up figures from, but since 2005 when Bronco and Kyle became head coaches of BYU and Utah respectively, BYU has played 18 games versus PAC teams, Utah has played 34.

    Bronco and Kyle both have THREE wins over PAC teams with winning records, the biggest difference, Kyle has played nearly TWICE as many PAC opponents as Bronco.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 11, 2014 1:26 p.m.

    Whoops! I stand corrected again. Kyle was not credited for beating Oregon and Cal back in 2003. That was Meyer's team.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 11, 2014 1:23 p.m.

    Whoops! I stand corrected: Kyle Whittingham IS 13-21 lifetime vs. the Pac-10/12.

    But I was not wrong about him having beaten more than 3 teams with a winning record.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 11, 2014 12:17 p.m.

    SportsFan:

    You're not quoting me. How frantic and emotional of you.

    "Remind us that last time the Utes won a road game against a PAC team with a winning record...hint: It hasn't happened THIS CENTURY!"

    And neither had it happened this century for our little brother, so what was your point? Were you trying to hold Utah to a higher standard than our little brother? Because I thought we'd already met that "higher" standard. We HAD won nearly 70% of our head-to-head matchups you know.

    "Kyle is 13-21 lifetime versus PAC opponents, only THREE wins versus teams with winning records, only ONE since joining the conference."

    Not by my count. Lifetime, Whittingham is 12-16 (.429), and has wins over the following Pac-10/12 teams with winning records:

    1. 8-5 Oregon (2003)
    2. 8-6 Cal (2003)
    3. 9-4 Ore St (2008)
    4. 8-5 Cal (2009)
    5. 11-3 Stanford (2013)

    Bronco, on the other hand, is the one with wins over only 3 Pac-10/12 teams with winning records:

    1. 7-6 Oregon (2006)
    2. 8-5 Ore St (2009)
    3. 7-6 Wash (2010)

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    April 11, 2014 10:45 a.m.

    navelvet

    "Bronco all time: ... 3 wins vs teams with winning record"

    LOL at your hyperbole.

    Kyle is 13-21 (38%) lifetime versus PAC opponents, only THREE wins versus teams with winning records, only ONE since joining the conference.

    Remind us that last time the Utes won a road game against a PAC team with a winning record...

    hint: It hasn't happened THIS CENTURY!

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    April 11, 2014 10:34 a.m.

    navelvet

    "Playing and beating you does very little for our recruiting and national profile,..."

    Playing and beating BYU certainly does more for your recruiting and national profile than being a conference bottom dweller and losing to the likes of Washington State and Colorado.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    April 11, 2014 9:16 a.m.

    Steven,

    We stormed the field just to rub in it byu fans faces that we COULD storm the field(by having won yet again).

    You guys haven't even had that option lately haven you?

    I've been saying for years now what Navel is saying. If byu wants to play us, and then need the game more than we do, it'll be a 2 for 1.

    We play a great schedule and adding byu doesn't help that schedule. So why would we want to play byu?

    We'd rather play Fresno or Michigan

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    April 11, 2014 8:23 a.m.

    @Naval Vet

    IF what you said was truly correct than why are you still hung up on the game. All the Ute fans that stormed the field after the game two years are of the same mentality. Winning that game was huge for the the Utes.

  • cy1951 Arlington, VA
    April 11, 2014 6:11 a.m.

    Dick: I think the better question should be, is the Spring 2013 version of the offense any better than the November/December 2013 version? You gave all the evident reasons why it had to be better than last year's spring version and even last year's September version -- so, that's not even an issue. But are they improved enough to beat a good team like Wisconsin or Notre Dame or even a pretty good team like Washington? They could beat none of these with last fall's version of the offense. How about now? There is only one team on Fall 2014's schedule that will rise to the level of Washington, let alone Wisconsin or Notre Dame: Texas. Central Florida graduated its NFL 1st round pick QB - lucky for BYU. Boise State will be better than last year but lost its mastermind head coach to Washington. USU will have Chuckie back, but won't be Top 25. Texas is it. So, can they beat Texas? If the offense looks against Texas like it did against Wisconsin and Notre Dame, then you will have your answer about improvement. Only then.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 11, 2014 4:14 a.m.

    @TheSportsAuthority

    Uteology

    BYU wouldn't have lost to Washington State in 2013.

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    BYU was 0-2 vs PAC-12 in 2013, including a loss at home to 5-7 Utah.
    BYU hasn't beat a single PAC-12 team with 4 or more wins on the road since 1997 under Edwards.
    Bronco is 0-3 on the road vs P12 teams with 4-6 wins (3-0 vs teams with 3 or less wins)

    BYU would have lost at 6-7 Washington State, they might of pulled of a miracle win just like they did at 0-12 Washington on a missed extra point.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 11, 2014 3:32 a.m.

    @TheSportsAuthority

    Bronco also has a better record vs. Big 12 compared to Patterson at TCU.

    Are you claiming that BYU has P12/B12 depth to compete in those conferences? Laughable!

    Kyle pre-P12 schedule:
    vs P12 – 4-3 (57%) … since joining PAC 12 9-18 (33%)
    vs BCS – 11-5 (68%)

    Bronco all time:
    vs P12 - 9-9 (50%) ... 3 wins vs teams with winning record
    vs BCS – 11-15 (42%)

  • Guam_Bomb BARRIGADA, GU
    April 10, 2014 6:38 p.m.

    The key phrase in this article was "Anae made the statement that if you punched last year’s offensive line, it'd fall down and not get back up, but that this year’s version would jump back up and duke it out."

    This years group needs to prove that they can counter punch. The offense lacked the mental toughness to win big plays consistently. If the offensive line can dominate the line of scrimmage, then BYU has a shot as something special. If they don't then they'll have another disappointing season.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    April 10, 2014 3:47 p.m.

    Naval, I was getting on here to help make your case.

    Utah has had BYU's number the past 4 years.

    The scoreboard is all that matters.

    Then you post "They're "biting our ankles".???

    You just lost credability. You should have stopped while you were making a strong argument. IMHO

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 10, 2014 3:08 p.m.

    maq:

    You forgot about the cougars goal of "Beat Utah". Don't deny it. It's not "just another game on your schedule".

    "It is huge. This is like the Super Bowl...Coach Mendenhall will have us prepared to play Utah." -- LB Kyle Van Noy

    "In previous years, I think it's been the biggest motivation we've had, playing Utah and trying to beat our in-state rival". -- OL Ryker Mathews

    "We grew up watching the rivalry and that's why a lot of us came to BYU...Honestly, that's lot of the motivation we had...every day we remind ourselves, 'Hey, we've got to beat Utah.'" -- DB Drew Reilly

    And yes, it was a fail.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 10, 2014 2:54 p.m.

    Tajemnica:

    "Too bad utah only showed up to the BYU and Stanford games. If they cared about the rest as much as the BYU games they could have been decent."

    I don't know how many times I have to tell you cougar fans, but THAT game is YOUR "Super Bowl". Not ours.

    And it isn't that Utah "doesn't care" about the other teams in the Pac-12. It's that those other teams in the Pac-12 are much harder to beat than the Y.

    Make no mistake. The Y isn't "breathing down [our] necks". They're "biting our ankles". There's a big difference. You've just confused the two. The former implies that there'd be some kind of threat; which considering the history of this series these past dozen years, just isn't there. The latter implies that you're some kind of nuisance who's completely irrelevant to our goal of winning the Pac-12 South; which clearly is the situation in this case.

  • yabuts Springville, utah
    April 10, 2014 2:00 p.m.

    Tators, Tajemnica, Max & Ducky:

    Does 54-10 hurt that much? Does 4 wins in a row, 9 out of 12 ruin your day? Relax it is only a football game.

    Things will look much brighter next year when play your teams from the AMERICAN ATHLETIC, MT. WEST, CONFERENCE USA & THE ATLANTIC COST conferences.

    Wait one, I forgot the MID-EASTERN ATHLETIC CONFERENCE. They are represented by the Savannah ST. Tigers. The Tigers beat Fort Valley St., A Div. II school, by 7 points for their only win last year.

    AS I said relax, I see a bowl game for you next year.

  • maq West Valley, Utah
    April 10, 2014 12:57 p.m.

    @ Naval Vet

    "Playing and beating you does very little for our recruiting and national profile"
    You make a good point in that. utah has nothing to gain or lose when they play BYU. In 2004 and 2008 if BYU had defeated utah, NO BCS bowls for utah. Nowadays it doesn't make a difference. If BYU had beat utah last year and utah won all the other games - BCS bowl. Possible National Championship appearance though not likely with the SEC. So why all the fuss and bragging about beating BYU? It boils down to this... BYU could have defeated utah but they didn't that is a fact so congrats on winning a pointless game. If you want to start bragging about how high and mighty utah is, start winning games that matter. There is no longer any relevance to utah in beating BYU and utah will never be any better until they prove themselves against competition that makes a difference. Goals for BYU: 1:Play in the postseason. 2: win a national championship. Goals for utah: 1: play in the postseason. 2: win the PAC 12* championship. 3: win a national championship. At least BYU accomplished one goal last season. How close has utah come recently these?

  • J Poll Gilford, NH
    April 10, 2014 12:46 p.m.

    "That’s all hype until BYU meets UConn in the season opener at the end of August.
    But if what was on display in the final practice is any evidence, Kool-Aid pitcher, meet glass with ice." Well said Dick. Agreed. Proof is in the pudding. They better knock Conn on its butt or it is more of the same.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 10, 2014 12:42 p.m.

    Tators (cont.):

    Playing and beating you does very little for our recruiting and national profile, so there's nothing to gain by playing it. If you want this game to continue on an annual basis, you're just gonna have to meet us halfway by providing us a proper incentive. You need to bite the bullet, swallow your pride, and accept an 2(RES)-for-1(LES).

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 10, 2014 12:42 p.m.

    Tators:

    "Utah's AD and coach would've kept BYU on their schedule if they still had any confidence they could still beat BYU. Obviously, they don't."

    Utah fears no cougar, as the Y hadn't really posed much of a threat to us on the gridiron these past dozen years. Look at it logically:

    If Utah had any reason to fear a cougar team, wouldn't it be against the team with the advantage over these past dozen years? Yet Utah Basketball continues to schedule the Y. If ever there was any reason to NOT fear a cougar team, it's when that cougar team can't measure up. Like your football team for example. You'd only won 25% of those games, and you needed "luck" to win it. Don't be so frantic and emotional.

  • Tajemnica West Valley, Utah
    April 10, 2014 12:40 p.m.

    @Naval Vet

    Too bad utah only showed up to the BYU and Stanford games. If they cared about the rest as much as the BYU games they could have been decent. Now that they don't have BYU breathing down their necks maybe they'll actually remember they have 12 games in which to play hard - not just 1.

  • maq West Valley, Utah
    April 10, 2014 12:37 p.m.

    My predications for the upcoming season:

    Highly likely (worst case scenario) 9-3
    Definately doable 10-2
    My prediction 11-1 (one loss could be to any of 3-4 teams)
    Somewhat challenging but still possible 12-0 (only problem with this scenario is due to BYUs fairly weak SOS it could be hard to tell just how good they are/could be with this record)

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 10, 2014 12:26 p.m.

    Tators:

    "[Utah was] very fortunate to beat BYU last season. Most objective observers will eadmit [sic] as much."

    Same old refrain, year after year, and loss after loss to your big brother on the Hill. The reason why Utah beat you guys 4 yrs in a row, and 9 of the past 12, was because Utah was the better team. We also outrecruited the Y 4 yrs in a row, and 9 of the past 12 recruiting seasons. So you see? It's no "coincidence". It isn't "luck". And if ever there could be a case made for "luck" winning the game, it would've been for the team who'd only won 25% of the past dozen finally escaping with a "W".

    Recognize.

    P.S.: You are not an "unbiased" observer, so you can't predict what "unbiased" observers would say. That said, I'd predict an "unbiased" observer would have noted that one team -- the one with the better coaches and recruits -- typically owns (and outrecruits) the other, and would thereby favor the chances of the "winningest" team in this series.

  • yabuts Springville, utah
    April 10, 2014 12:08 p.m.

    Hey, TATORS:

    This was a article about BYU & Anae. Why all the Utah hate.

    I think that you need to look into the recent BYU vs. Utah football win loss records.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    April 10, 2014 11:47 a.m.

    @ uteology:

    Go back and check all the stats from the last two BYU - Utah football games and you will come away with a new appreciation of how fortunate and lucky Utah was to somehow come away with wins in those particular games.

    90% of the time, teams that wim the stat battle the way BYU did in those games also wins the score stat. But because that didn't happen with those particular games, any neutral observer would certainly conclude that Utah was indeed fortunate and somewhat lucky to have pulled put victories... at least in those 2 instances.

    @ big 12 call:

    Because things tend to balance out the scales in the long run, and because of things the article pointed out, my confidence is now stronger than ever before... and rightfully so.

    As difficult as any Ute wins have been lately, Utah's AD and coach would've kept BYU on their schedule if they still had any confidence they could still beat BYU. Obviously, they don't. They are obviously more intelligent than some of Utah's ultra-biased fans. And for you, the shoe seems to fit.

  • daver Provo, 00
    April 10, 2014 11:42 a.m.

    Great article Dick. I never listen any more to what coaches say. Just wait and see what happens on the field. For benefit of readers, Dick knows it's spelled "acclimation," but typos are easy to come by, haha!

  • Ronald Uharriet SWun City, Ca.
    April 10, 2014 11:37 a.m.

    I think that we have learned from last season, that if we have a bye week, we must use it to practice for the next game instead of going on family vacations and family outings. The Utah game proved that to us. If the NCCA gives us 26 days to practice before a bowl game, we need to take all 26 days to practice before playing that game. Washington game taught us that rule.

    Bottom line: If we want to be a significant football team, recognized as being significant among the major teams in our Nation, we must make football important enough during the season to hold off all family vacations and outings until after the last game played. We must do our resting and recuperating after the last game of the season.

    Unless we put more importance to football at least during the football season, we will never be more than a decent mid major team. That’s my opinion. What is yours?

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    April 10, 2014 9:58 a.m.

    Uteology

    BYU wouldn't have lost to Washington State in 2013.

    Bronco is 9-9 (50%) versus PAC 12 teams.
    Kyle is 9-18 (33%) since joining the PAC 12.

    It's pretty obvious which coach is more competitive against the PAC 12.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 10, 2014 8:17 a.m.

    "His quarterback was fresh off knee surgery and basically had just three games worth of experience." -- DH

    Does Dick post on these threads? Sounds like it.

    Apparently the knee surgery affected his passing game but not his running game. Hill had 15 games worth of experience by the time he played Washington, how did that turn out?

    BYU will not be better as much as the opposing defenses will be worse, BYU will win 10 games this year, slight chance of going undefeated if they beat Texas.

    @Tators

    Utah was fortunate to beat BYU last season even though we never trailed the entire game and BYU never threatened to take the lead.

    @Max

    Tell me again what BYU did to prevent Utah from going to bowl games? Yes we can't compete against PAC-12 teams, but neither can you.

  • Big 12 Call Yet? Ogden, UT
    April 10, 2014 12:29 a.m.

    Tator,

    Pretty confident byu would beat Utah?

    You had that same "confidence" before your rivalry game with Utah last year.

    And the year before

    And the year before(54-10)

    And the year before

  • IQ92 hi, UT
    April 9, 2014 9:53 p.m.

    Love to root for the Cougars. Still, college foitball results closely follow recruiting more than any other factor. And for 2012, 2013, & 2014, BYU recruiting classes ranked 60, 63, and 62, respectively. For me, I hope for (and have grown to expect) a season ranked 30-40. Year in and year out, the Cougs tend to overacheive.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    April 9, 2014 9:26 p.m.

    I want to believe. Help thou my unbelief.

    I bought football tickets today, but I am still predicting 7 or 8 wins.

  • Max-was-right springville, UT
    April 9, 2014 9:05 p.m.

    lifelong, tell us all again which bowl game your utes played in the last two years? And will you be screaming for whitts job after another 5-7 bowless season?

  • IA Cougar West Des Moines, IA
    April 9, 2014 8:55 p.m.

    I'm with @idablu. I love the optimism. Optimism is the trademark of football fans everywhere from spring ball through Fall practice. Everyone is puffed up in August. September/October are the reality checks and while the 2014 schedule isn't what it was in 2013, there are still some very good games on the schedule that will test BYU. Of course, true fans will stick with their team, but from now until UConn, the talk is all hot air and supposition. I traveled to UVA last year with very high hopes for our young team. I repeated it at season's end in South Bend. Lost both. I think the team has potential, but fruition is what I want to see. Real progress will be measured in games won. Go Cougs.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    April 9, 2014 7:57 p.m.

    Love your optimism, Dick.
    I think I'll wait and see what happens the first game.
    I am hopeful, though.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    April 9, 2014 7:30 p.m.

    It would seem Utah inadvertently picked a good time to take a couple of years off from playing the Cougars. They were very fortunate to beat BYU last season. Most objective observers will eadmit as much.

    Luckily for Utah, Taysom Hill will be graduated by the time the two teams play each other again. Most Ute fans will admit as much just 2 games into next season. It will be that obvious to all unbiased observers.

  • Vegas POV Las Vegas, NV
    April 9, 2014 7:17 p.m.

    Organizations are perfectly aligned for the results they get. The rest is talk. How BYU performs against top rated teams will be the yardstick against which they will be measured.