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Published: Wednesday, April 9 2014 8:56 p.m. MDT

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The Wraith
Kaysville, UT

@Let It Go

Let me see if I understand this. You are wondering what would happen if every single human being on the planet decided to be in a dedicated homosexual relationship. Well if that happened then yes, there would be some issues regarding reproduction. However, that hinges on an the event that every single person on the planet would actually do that. There is no way that would happen. When was the last time all of humanity agreed on anything? What would it take for you to enter into a homosexual relationship? I know I'm not going to. In fact, only people who are homosexual will, and that will be about 2-5% of the population. So no, humanity won't have trouble reproducing.

Candied Ginger
Brooklyn, OH

Here is why we want to get married. We have been together for over five years. Living together, dated for a year before that. We adopted a child and are adopting another. (Gay couples can do that in Ohio. Not everywhere.) We are looking for a house to buy. We have two cars and all the stuff a family has.

She works full-time, I am a stay-at-home-mom and work a very flexible part-time schedule. We have done everything we can to protect the kids if something happens to both of us. But her family has said if something happens to her they will take me to court and try to get everything that has been set up to protect the kids.

She was offered a transfer to a state that does not have gay marriage, so far we have not been able to find a job for either of us in a state that would let us marry. We are a family, and we need the protection that comes from being married.

There is more to this, but that is the important parts.

OneWifeOnly
San Diego, CA

We should go to a system in this country that Mormons are already very familiar with: Civil Unions and Church Marriage. Civil Union licenses would be issued by the government for the purposes of affording any two people who want to join together the legal benefits currently accorded to married couples. Church Marriage would be performed by the couples religion of choice according to that religion's teaching (i.e., Mormon Temple Weddings). Those who need a Church Marriage to be saved (or need their church to define Marriage as between one man and one woman) could create their partnership under this method. Those who want a Civil Union to take advantage of financial benefits could create their partnership under this method. Those who want both religious and financial benefits (assuming they practice a religion that endorses their partner of choice) could create their partnership under both methods.

Stormwalker
Cleveland , OH

@OneWifeOnly

How about "marriage," which takes place at the courthouse and consists of buying the license, signing, and paying the fees. It is legal and recognized by the government.

And "ceremony" which is social, takes place in a church/temple/synagogue or woods or rented hall and is for friends and family and may include religious rituals/blessings or whatever.

Marriage is legal, unless you want to have every law and regulation concerning marriage to have to be annotated to say civil union.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@brokenclay
"Give me a comprehensive list of what makes marriage marriage from the revisionist camp's perspective."

Two adults who want to make a lifelong commitment to each other that may be religious or secular in nature.

(And aren't blood-related).

What'd you expect for an answer? It's the same thing as a heterosexual marriage except replacing "A man and a woman" with "Two adults".

brokenclay
Tempe, AZ

1. "Two" -- from a secular perspective, this criterion is just as arbitrary as limiting a contract to a man and woman. Different forms of polyamory are extremely common in the world today. Why do these relationships not get the protection of the law?

2. "adults" -- teenage sexuality is to be encouraged, but not commitment? Is the cutoff for adulthood whatever the state decides it should be? 18? 17? 16? Also, are we talking adult humans here, or would we include the guy who wants benefits for his pet as well?

3. "lifelong commitment" -- again, an arbitrary criterion. Why does a contract that conveys benefits have to be permanent?

4. "aren't blood-related" -- what if an adult father-daughter couple agrees to undergo some form of permanent birth control? According to your definition, procreation/family building is not a generally intended end of marriage, so why limit it in this area? Examples could be multiplied here.

I'd further point out that these criteria could well serve for any secular contractual agreement-- business, friendship, roommates, etc., not just a romantic-type relationship. There is nothing here that uniquely identifies marriage.

LovelyDeseret
Gilbert, AZ

I am completely against redefining marriage for Constitutional reasons, economic reasons, moral reasons, and logical reasons, however, I thought this article went way too far and is very derogatory and not very nice.
Gay people are completely wrong about redefining marriage, but they still are mostly good loving people.

Cognoscente
Provo, UT

Jamescmeyer: "It's not a real secret; there are a notable number of people active in trying to change marriage who openly acknowledge that their goal is to remove marriage and the family altogether, and that this is the way to do it."

Really? Name them.

Or did you mean "zero" as your notable number?

Sneaky Jimmy
Bay Area, CA

Reading some of the posts here is great entertainment. Tiago asks a great question: What do you want Gay people to do? Could one of you arm chair prophets please outline the "plan of life" for a gay man - from cradle to grave. I would love to hear how you would teach a gay man to live his life.

OneWifeOnly
San Diego, CA

@Schnee
Sounds good to me. I don't care what words anyone chooses to use to describe the public ceremonial act of creating a life-long commitment between two people. What I care about is that everyone, gay or straight, has equality under the law. The judge who performed our ceremony told us that a wedding is not a marriage. It takes work and love and commitment to make a marriage. 20 years and counting for us. I want that for everyone.

Pops
NORTH SALT LAKE, UT

Sneaky Jimmy,

The first rule is to obey the law of chastity, which means no sexual relations outside of marriage. Violations of the law of chastity, will, in the long run, bring sorrow to those involved as well as to those who love them.

Second, If one is interested in family life and marriage, I suggest finding someone of the opposite sex who is amenable to it, getting married, having children, and teaching and loving them all. If a homosexual person can't stand the thought of sexual relations with a member of the opposite sex, there's artificial insemination - the children will have the benefit of knowing and being raised by their biological parents.

Some gay people are opposed to the idea of marrying a member of the opposite sex, some even going so far as to say they couldn't love such a spouse. I think that position requires some serious soul searching, as it is normal and healthy to love a lot of people regardless of their gender or sexual orientation. Love is not the same as sexual attraction.

Laura Bilington
Maple Valley, WA

Candied Ginger describes the "homosexual lifestyle". Two moms with two children. One mom works and one stays home with the kids. They have two cars and are looking for a house to buy.

Oh, the horror of it all!

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@Pops
"I think that position requires some serious soul searching, as it is normal and healthy to love a lot of people regardless of their gender or sexual orientation. Love is not the same as sexual attraction"

That's a very disingenuous pair of statements there because they can easily be flipped on you since I'm sure you wouldn't conceive of marrying someone of the same gender. There's no assertion at all that they can't love someone of a different gender or sexual orientation, nor any assertion that love is the same as sexual attraction. You know very well that there's a different kind of love involved in who you want to marry compared to siblings or friends.

Rikitikitavi
Cardston, Alberta

I wonder where God is in this whole debate. Wait...thank goodness I have President Monson to look to for inspired guidance. In total, fifteen men whom I trust for inspired guidance.

Rikitikitavi
Cardston, Alberta

@ sneaky
Abstain is the answer to your query. Just as an alcoholic, a pedophile, a smoker, a klepto...you get it by now. Behavioral scientists can tell you many with ssa can abstain, and many can be happy in hetero unions. I'm not saying it is easy.....just being truthful.

Dugger
Clearfield, UT

This is a sobering article that lays bare the real, evil intents of conspiring individuals. Every God-fearing family and person needs to read this and realize what we are facing.

From the time that Hillary Clinton said that "it takes a village to raise a child", we have seen an attack on the traditional family. We are already reaping the sad consequences of not holding firm to the values of a marriage between a man and a woman who honor their marital vows with complete fidelity and, who do not teach their children moral truth, such as respecting others and the property of others and resisting the urge to live a hedonistic life. If you have ever visited Detroit or Chicago, you can begin to see where we as a country, and world, are headed.

Demiurge
San Diego, CA

It does take a village to raise a child: schools, libraries, playgrounds, etc.

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