Published: Wednesday, April 9 2014 1:05 p.m. MDT
@Let It GoLet me see if I understand this. You are wondering what
would happen if every single human being on the planet decided to be in a
dedicated homosexual relationship. Well if that happened then yes, there would
be some issues regarding reproduction. However, that hinges on an the event that
every single person on the planet would actually do that. There is no way that
would happen. When was the last time all of humanity agreed on anything? What
would it take for you to enter into a homosexual relationship? I know I'm
not going to. In fact, only people who are homosexual will, and that will be
about 2-5% of the population. So no, humanity won't have trouble
Here is why we want to get married. We have been together for over five years.
Living together, dated for a year before that. We adopted a child and are
adopting another. (Gay couples can do that in Ohio. Not everywhere.) We are
looking for a house to buy. We have two cars and all the stuff a family has. She works full-time, I am a stay-at-home-mom and work a very flexible
part-time schedule. We have done everything we can to protect the kids if
something happens to both of us. But her family has said if something happens to
her they will take me to court and try to get everything that has been set up to
protect the kids. She was offered a transfer to a state that does
not have gay marriage, so far we have not been able to find a job for either of
us in a state that would let us marry. We are a family, and we need the
protection that comes from being married.There is more to this, but
that is the important parts.
We should go to a system in this country that Mormons are already very familiar
with: Civil Unions and Church Marriage. Civil Union licenses would be issued
by the government for the purposes of affording any two people who want to join
together the legal benefits currently accorded to married couples. Church
Marriage would be performed by the couples religion of choice according to that
religion's teaching (i.e., Mormon Temple Weddings). Those who need a
Church Marriage to be saved (or need their church to define Marriage as between
one man and one woman) could create their partnership under this method. Those
who want a Civil Union to take advantage of financial benefits could create
their partnership under this method. Those who want both religious and
financial benefits (assuming they practice a religion that endorses their
partner of choice) could create their partnership under both methods.
@OneWifeOnlyHow about "marriage," which takes place at the
courthouse and consists of buying the license, signing, and paying the fees. It
is legal and recognized by the government. And "ceremony"
which is social, takes place in a church/temple/synagogue or woods or rented
hall and is for friends and family and may include religious rituals/blessings
or whatever. Marriage is legal, unless you want to have every law
and regulation concerning marriage to have to be annotated to say civil union.
@brokenclay"Give me a comprehensive list of what makes marriage
marriage from the revisionist camp's perspective."Two
adults who want to make a lifelong commitment to each other that may be
religious or secular in nature. (And aren't blood-related).What'd you expect for an answer? It's the same thing as a
heterosexual marriage except replacing "A man and a woman" with "Two
1. "Two" -- from a secular perspective, this criterion is just as
arbitrary as limiting a contract to a man and woman. Different forms of
polyamory are extremely common in the world today. Why do these relationships
not get the protection of the law?2. "adults" -- teenage
sexuality is to be encouraged, but not commitment? Is the cutoff for adulthood
whatever the state decides it should be? 18? 17? 16? Also, are we talking adult
humans here, or would we include the guy who wants benefits for his pet as
well?3. "lifelong commitment" -- again, an arbitrary
criterion. Why does a contract that conveys benefits have to be permanent?4. "aren't blood-related" -- what if an adult
father-daughter couple agrees to undergo some form of permanent birth control?
According to your definition, procreation/family building is not a generally
intended end of marriage, so why limit it in this area? Examples could be
multiplied here.I'd further point out that these criteria could
well serve for any secular contractual agreement-- business, friendship,
roommates, etc., not just a romantic-type relationship. There is nothing here
that uniquely identifies marriage.
I am completely against redefining marriage for Constitutional reasons, economic
reasons, moral reasons, and logical reasons, however, I thought this article
went way too far and is very derogatory and not very nice. Gay people are
completely wrong about redefining marriage, but they still are mostly good
Jamescmeyer: "It's not a real secret; there are a notable number of
people active in trying to change marriage who openly acknowledge that their
goal is to remove marriage and the family altogether, and that this is the way
to do it."Really? Name them.Or did you mean
"zero" as your notable number?
Reading some of the posts here is great entertainment. Tiago asks a great
question: What do you want Gay people to do? Could one of you arm chair prophets
please outline the "plan of life" for a gay man - from cradle to grave.
I would love to hear how you would teach a gay man to live his life.
@SchneeSounds good to me. I don't care what words anyone chooses to
use to describe the public ceremonial act of creating a life-long commitment
between two people. What I care about is that everyone, gay or straight, has
equality under the law. The judge who performed our ceremony told us that a
wedding is not a marriage. It takes work and love and commitment to make a
marriage. 20 years and counting for us. I want that for everyone.
Sneaky Jimmy,The first rule is to obey the law of chastity, which
means no sexual relations outside of marriage. Violations of the law of
chastity, will, in the long run, bring sorrow to those involved as well as to
those who love them.Second, If one is interested in family life and
marriage, I suggest finding someone of the opposite sex who is amenable to it,
getting married, having children, and teaching and loving them all. If a
homosexual person can't stand the thought of sexual relations with a member
of the opposite sex, there's artificial insemination - the children will
have the benefit of knowing and being raised by their biological parents.Some gay people are opposed to the idea of marrying a member of the
opposite sex, some even going so far as to say they couldn't love such a
spouse. I think that position requires some serious soul searching, as it is
normal and healthy to love a lot of people regardless of their gender or sexual
orientation. Love is not the same as sexual attraction.
Candied Ginger describes the "homosexual lifestyle". Two moms with two
children. One mom works and one stays home with the kids. They have two cars
and are looking for a house to buy.Oh, the horror of it all!
@Pops"I think that position requires some serious soul searching, as
it is normal and healthy to love a lot of people regardless of their gender or
sexual orientation. Love is not the same as sexual attraction" That's a very disingenuous pair of statements there because they can
easily be flipped on you since I'm sure you wouldn't conceive of
marrying someone of the same gender. There's no assertion at all that they
can't love someone of a different gender or sexual orientation, nor any
assertion that love is the same as sexual attraction. You know very well that
there's a different kind of love involved in who you want to marry compared
to siblings or friends.
I wonder where God is in this whole debate. Wait...thank goodness I have
President Monson to look to for inspired guidance. In total, fifteen men whom I
trust for inspired guidance.
@ sneakyAbstain is the answer to your query. Just as an alcoholic, a
pedophile, a smoker, a klepto...you get it by now. Behavioral scientists can
tell you many with ssa can abstain, and many can be happy in hetero unions.
I'm not saying it is easy.....just being truthful.
This is a sobering article that lays bare the real, evil intents of conspiring
individuals. Every God-fearing family and person needs to read this and realize
what we are facing.From the time that Hillary Clinton said that
"it takes a village to raise a child", we have seen an attack on the
traditional family. We are already reaping the sad consequences of not holding
firm to the values of a marriage between a man and a woman who honor their
marital vows with complete fidelity and, who do not teach their children moral
truth, such as respecting others and the property of others and resisting the
urge to live a hedonistic life. If you have ever visited Detroit or Chicago, you
can begin to see where we as a country, and world, are headed.
It does take a village to raise a child: schools, libraries, playgrounds, etc.
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