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Published: Wednesday, April 9 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

‘In our opinion: Afghanistan's election a sign that war was worth the cost’

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Ummmm....

150,000 Muslims dead
5,000 Americans dead
75,000 Americans wounded
$3.5 Trillion

and 7.5 million votes

That equals =
50 votes per dead muslim
1,500 votes per dead American
100 votes per wounded American
$466,666 per vote

I don't know what math you are using,
but
I don't think it was worth it.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

An election is just the beginning. Wait until you see what they do with democracy before you start declaring it was worth it.

Democracy and elections can be nasty little things leading to awful results. Read World on Fire, a well documented history of democracy gone bad.

My guess though is cthat this piece is not so much a thoughtful declaration as a partisan statement.

Esquire
Springville, UT

To say the war was worth the cost over one election and not knowing how it will all play out once the U.S. effeectively leaves is a little premature. Frankly, I don't see how it was worth the cost to the U.S. The Biden "doctrine" would have been better - surgical strikes instead of neo-con invasions.

freedomingood
provo, Utah

So the wealthy can buy their politicians too?

So freedom of speech means legalized bribery?

We have no right to spread our system of corruption.

Mark B
Eureka, CA

Since bringing democracy to the Afghans was never a purpose for invading, even if the country turns into an Islamic Sweden it would be by accident rather than by design. As for the cost, today's DN comments could be right - after another four or five valid elections. We need to keep in mind that this is really a tribal society, and the Afghans certainly didn't ask the US for a democratic makeover.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"In our opinion: Afghanistan's election a sign that war was worth the cost’"

And most people that say that

- Didn't pay for it. That will be handled by future generations
- Didn't get deployed
- Didn't lose a child or sibling
- Had nothing invested

Yes, I guess that under those circumstances, you may conclude that it was "worth it"

I dont believe it was

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Why do some people think that they are the only people on earth who deserve to be free? Why do they think that dollars are more important than freedom? What price would they pay to secure those liberties for themselves and for their children?

Freedom comes at a great cost. When the colonies rebelled against King George, those colonies sacrificed everything. That was not nearly enough. France came to our aid. Without the help of that "world power", we would probably still be under the rule of Great Britain. The cost in dollars and in lives was horrendous, but it was necessary.

To my knowledge, no country on earth was "given" freedom. It has to be earned. It has to be paid for by blood, both from the citizens of those countries and of those who care enough to send their sons and daughters to expand freedom.

The cost was great, but the people have started to throw off the yoke of oppression. They have started. The patriots who made it possible will not be forgotten.

airnaut
Everett, 00

I'm wondering WHO at the Deseret News is an actual conflict Veteran?

Who was deployed?
Who lived away from their families 6 out of the last 10 years
[2 year LDS missions do NOT ocunt by a long shot]

Who went through a divorce?
Who missed most of the children's lives?
Who can't get a good job now?
Who suffers PTSD?
and
WHO will never walk again?

You find THAT guy,
and have him tell us it was worth it!

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@pragmatistferlife – “Democracy and elections can be nasty little things leading to awful results. Read World on Fire, a well documented history of democracy gone bad.”

Democracy per se is not the problem… it’s uneducated or morally corrupt people. Sadly, many are simply not ready for democracy and will make bad choices when given the chance. But without giving people the opportunity to make those choices, how will they ever learn?

I haven’t read the book, but would guess most of the problems are not long standing democracies, but democracies that elect bad people who afterwards tear down any institutions that support real democracy (which is the only self-correcting mechanism to check government power).

As far as the war being worth it, who knows? Let’s ask our grandchildren since they’re the ones footing the bill.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

I wonder if the Afghans have the same sort of Democracy we enjoy here in America?

You know --
Corporations are PEOPLE,
and Unlimted Money legally buys and bribes UnLimited Political favors.

Who's going to attack, invade, and occupy US to save us from ourselves?

Shaun
Sandy, UT

@mike richards. Just the other day you said the government doesn't give us freedom or rights but god gives us freedom and rights.

Which is it?

I believe the 17 duties enumerated in the constitution does not mention nation rebuilding.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Mike,

Is "liberating the people of another country" enumerated in our constitution?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

IMO... the fact that we haven't had another 9/11 since then... is proof that it was worth it.

I don't care if they adopt our form of democracy. I think we needed to do what we did though, to keep the conflict over there where it starts... and not over here where it ends.

They claimed they had other attacks in the works... we had to do something!

We couldn't just let the attacks come and do nothing!

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT
IMO... the fact that we haven't had another 9/11 since then... is proof that it was worth it.

I don't care if they adopt our form of democracy. I think we needed to do what we did though, to keep the conflict over there where it starts... and not over here where it ends.

They claimed they had other attacks in the works... we had to do something!

We couldn't just let the attacks come and do nothing!

12:35 p.m. April 9, 2014

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19 people 2 bits,
19 people pulled of 9/11

And we did do somehting.
Bush --
killed 150,000
and spend $3.3 Trillion.

Pres. Obama actually ended it with;

Good Intelligence,
some drone strikes,
3 helicopters,
and less than 15 minutes with 30 Navy Seals,
in PAKISTAN.

Bush's plan made Military contractors and Wallstreet investors insanely wealthy and did nothing to change the situation,

while Obama's plan worked.

I disagree with you, and the Deseret News.

NOT worth it.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

$3 trillion and thousands dead?

How do I, Joe Sixpack, benefit from Bush's war in Afghanistan?

Why did we invade Afghanistan in the first place? I don't remember Afghanistan ever attacking us.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"IMO... the fact that we haven't had another 9/11 since then... is proof that it was worth it."

If the goal was preventing another 911, there would certainly have been ways to accomplish that, that would have been far lest costly in terms of $$ and lives.

Noodlekaboodle
Poplar Grove, UT

@2 BITS
You and Mike Richards always pull out the constitution when you disagree with something you find liberal. So here's my question, what does 9/11 have to do with two countries that had nothing to do with 9/11. The attackers were Saudi's, they were headquartered in Pakistan. So i'm sure going after Iraq and Afganistan clearly provides for the common defense......... Or if you agree with it does it not matter if something is constitutional or not?

eagle
Provo, UT

Noodlekaboodle:

You beat me to the punch. If Mike Richards is a true Libertarian or Constitutional scholar, he would by no means support this war. I guess he's a partisan neocon after all.

J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT

A lot of people are up in arms about the Constitutional authority to use the military to establish democracy in foreign lands. Have they written President Obama? After all, he is the Commander in Chief. He is ultimately responsible for sending troops and munitions to those countries. He has been in office for five years. It's HIS war now. He did nothing to stop it. He's a "Constitutional Expert", so surely he has studied the Constitution and decided that he really did have authority to send our sons and daughters to foreign lands, to be shot at, to be wounded, and to be killed.

If those who shake their fists at the illegality of using our military to assist other nations were honest, they would also shake their fists at FDR for starting Social Security, at Johnson for starting Medicare, at Obama for ObamaCare and for doing nothing about those other unauthorized programs. If they were honest, they would demand that those items, which approach 75% of the budget, be eliminated, that people be repaid their Social Security "taxes" and that government stay out of unauthorized "duties".

Esquire
Springville, UT

@ J Thompson, Obama did nothing to stop the war in Afghanistan? Are you kidding me? He's pulling troops out in a responsible way rather than running or abandoning the mess he was handed. I'm not really sure what your pont is.

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