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Published: Monday, April 7 2014 9:10 p.m. MDT

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Mexican Ute
mexico, 00

That didn't take long at all...

Wilf 55
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

I commend brother and sister Bradshaw for their courage -- the very courage we heard about in conference last weekend. They do it in a worthy, loving manner with the right spirit. As Mormons we cannot force our standards upon others, hurt the relation of a loving coutple, and deny them their rights.

Many advanced countries approved same-sex marriage years ago. Their situation shows that there is no threat to traditional marriage or to religious freedom.

O'really
Idaho Falls, ID

Just because the Bradshaws are (were?) LDS doesn't mean it's acceptable with church members or with the Lord. That was clearly spelled out this last weekend in General Conference. The Bradshaws are being deceptive to even mention their religious affiliation, whether it's current or not. They don't represent the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints beliefs or doctrine in the least.

Laura Ann
Layton, UT

Thank goodness I have a remote. They have a right to air their opinions, but I won't be watching.

Jim Cobabe
Provo, UT

Not certain what audience this campaign is intended to sell. The advocates and the opposition seem not very susceptive to this kind of persuasion. Minds are already made up. What difference does a TV ad make to the appeals process already in progress? Perhaps it demonstrates more money than sense.

LDS members had their traditional marriage ideals reinforced again during the General Conference. If this ad campaign is targeted at Mormons, I'd say it will be a hard sell.

David Mohr
Victoria/BC/Canada, 00

"A marriage is bond between two people based in love and commitment"? So does this mean if my mother and I wish to marry it should be allowed....or me and my sister? At point do we return to our Christian roots and follow the teachings of the Lord? It is sad that the more we claim to follow Christ, the farther away from his teachings we get. He taught us not to judge others but at no time did he accept the average man telling him what was right or wrong. We are to accept what the Father taught and there is no place in the Bible where Same Sex Marriage is taught. Yes Gays and Lesbians deserve the same rights and privileges we have. And they ARE allowed to marry already - they just don't like the form that marriage takes - a man to a woman. Not liking something does not make it wrong - just as liking something does not make it right. When God lets us know that SSM is acceptable, then I will agree to it.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

Re: O'really " They [the Bradshaws] don't represent the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints beliefs or doctrine in the least." I don't think they claim to. They are simply telling us what they've learned through having a homosexual son, and that they support him. There is nothing quite like direct experience to develop perspective.

equal protection
Cedar, UT

@David Mohr "mother and sister marriage"

Sexual orientation has been determined to be fundamental to a persons identity and person-hood. A requirement to change someones (heterosexual, homosexual, bi-sexual) sexual orientation in order to civil marry is not only unreasonable, but un-constitutional. A right to marry someone for which there is no attraction or desire of intimacy is no right at all.

Current civil marriage law has a presumption of intimacy, a type of relationship that is fundamentally different than the one you have with your sister and mother, where a legal family relationship already exists. Same-sex couples through civil marriage establish the same family relationship with the presumption of intimacy as opposite-sex couples.

What Jesus would say: "LGBT men and young women will continue to be vulnerable to the sins of homophobia and heterosexism, to the violence of hate and fear until we in the church can say to homosexuals now what it has said to heterosexuals for 2,000 years. Your sexuality is good. The church not only accepts it. The church celebrates it and rejoices in it. God loves you as you are, and the church can do no less." 2014 Episcopal message

equal protection
Cedar, UT

"As Christians, we cannot be silent as our state’s highest laws discriminate against segments of our society based on the personal biases of those in power, particularly when a majority of Michigan’s population now supports marriage equality. To remain silent is to be complicit in the decline of our society through demonizing unprotected minorities, segregation based on sexual orientation, denial of benefits to selected groups, and fear-based prejudice. Our continued silence can lead only to further discrimination, bullying and other forms of physical, emotional and spiritual violence.

Love and grace ought to be welcomed in abundance and without qualification or restriction. We need to remove discriminatory policies and support granting of benefits and privileges afforded other members of society.

We need to create a Beloved Community in which all persons are equal, regardless of race, ethnicity, gender, sex, class, religion, disability, or sexual orientation. And we need the full opportunity to recognize faithful and covenantal relationships between any two people seeking our blessing, both within the church and within our civil society.

We look forward to the day when all people receive equal treatment from one another and under the law."

May justice prevail.
Michigan Episcopal Diocese

Bob K
portland, OR

"One of the ads features William and Marge Bradshaw, who say they met while serving missions for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They are the parents of five children, including a gay son, and 18 grandchildren."

--- Many times I have written in DN comments, "large mormon families produce many thousand Gay kids each year" No one ever responds with any way to handle that. I feel that there are a lot of ostriches around here.

50 years ago, "live 2nd class, leave, or lie about it" was an accepted way in America. Now, it seems completely ridiculous.

I think the Utah ads are to promote acceptance by showing the "normalcy" of Gay people and their love.

I also think (and this probably means I will not see the comment approved) that the way the lds church is set up makes it very hard for fast-moving social progress to be accepted and incorporated. The Civil Rights era was mostly 1954-68, but the Blacks as priests revelation took ten more years.

Respectfully, I think God's though evolves faster than any leader of any church.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

Good fences make good neighbors. They are a visible line so people can see. A trespasser is who crosses the line. We all have out boundary, limits, lines and fences. we'll come to our senses and see the fences and respect peoples property, Weather it's physical, mental or spiritual.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

We hear over and over from the LDS that "marriage is between one man and one woman" and that it is Gods way and it has always been that way. We hear about how traditional marriage has been around for thousands of years.

Do you seriously not see the hypocrisy in that coming from Mormons in Utah?

Ranch
Here, UT

@O'really;

What ever happened to freedom in the Church? Today, if you don't agree with everything the "prophet" has to say, you can't be a good member? Wrong.

@Laura Ann;

Would it really hurt you that much to see how other people feel about the issue based on REAL LIFE?

@David Mohr;

Marriage creates a familial bond that previously didn't exist.

shadow01
Edwardsville, IL

Personally I believe and agree with what was said in conference over the weekend. We should be compassionate and understanding of all people; however, when Christ forgave transgressions, he did not remove the law from the books, he said "Go and sin no more."
Let me think, where are those passages where Christ said “It is now OK to steal, commit adultery and have homosexual relationships.” I must have misplaced them. Perhaps you can find them for me.
You may ask why LDS are so vehemently against same sex marriage, it is because we know it is wrong and to endorse it is to endorse behavior that is against God's Law. Oh, I am sure that given the current spiritual state of the nation, within a very short period of time SSM will be the law, but it will not receive any help from the Latter Day Saints and certainly not from me.

Capsaicin
Salt Lake City, UT

I support the right for any two people to marry. But I also support the right for people to refuse business based on "religious" grounds.

Anti-discriminatory laws are a oxymoron. They are contradictory. Because one group is going to feel discriminated against. NO MATTER WHAT.

Coexisting should mean tolerance. Even for gay marriage.

However, a photographer refusing to take pictures at a gay wedding should be completely within their right. It may be discriminatory but its their right, just like its the right for people to choose whom they want to marry.

Coexisting shouldn't be about being forced to observe someones lifestyle, just like I don't force someone to except mine.

If you want to sacrifice twinkies to your twinkie god while humming the "moving on up" tune from the jeffersons, go ahead. If that's your thing, that's fine. Just don't force me to provide you twinkies just because you don't want to be discriminated against.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Advertise, or more correctly, propagandize all you like. It still will not make gay marriage moral or right, only accepted and legal.

Look at the tidal wave of prominent gay people in "entertainment" ranging from sitcoms to "house hunting" TV shows. They are indeed an activist community, well organized. But still wrong.

higv
Dietrich, ID

So if an LDS couple has a kid that likes to drink and smoke should they get the church to change the Word of Wisdom? Tolerance means helping someone repent not condoning the sin which the Lord cannot look upon with the least degree of allowance.

Willem
Los Angeles, CA

The nation’s first black attorney general, Mr. Holder has said he views today’s gay-rights campaigns as a continuation of the civil rights movement that won rights for black Americans in the 1950s and ’60s. He has called gay rights one of “the defining civil rights challenges of our time.”

Vanceone
Provo, UT

I think we need to apply some truth in advertising laws here. If you want to promote Same Sex Marriage, you should promote the health risks, the immoral behavior, the psychological trauma; and in Utah the sure certainty that if you are Mormon or Christian you are disobeying God.

Sounds wonderful, doesn't it?

I did like the comment above about how you can be a good Mormon and not obey the prophet.... heh. In actuality, no you cannot be a good Mormon if you don't follow the prophet. That's kind of the point--you know, man who speaks for God on the earth right now. If you choose to disobey him, how, exactly, can you sustain him as a prophet?

As for the Episcopalian point of view--Where is their revelation allowing them to change Gods law? I would be mighty curious to see it.

Wilf 55
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

What some of my fellow Mormons in previous comments fail to understand is that same-sex marriage is not about sex. If two persons want to have sex they do not need marriage to do it. Same-sex marriage is about equal rights, hospital visits, joint tax returns, estate issues, and all the other rights that married people who love each other can have.

And if someone still wants to see "sex" in the equation, according to Mormon sexual ethics, it is preferable for two people to marry rather than having sex outside the bonds of marriage.

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