@motorscooter"That's odd, I'd have thought they'd have
guarded guys who played their own position."SDSU routinely had
bigger guys with longer arms guarding him. Billy White was normally their PF at
6'8" and he or Kawhi Leonard at 6'7" usually guarded Jimmer.
Matter of fact, many times they both guarded him at the same time in a fruitless
effort to slow him down.
I am going to ask the question. Is Jimmer's playing time, being restricted
because of his views on traditional marriage. Forget the haters, their IQ of
basketball is usually low anyway. Simple question on basketball IQ. How do you
know if you are shooting the ball correctly? His defense has been improving. He
is one of only a hand full of pure shooters in the NBA. He needs to play and
prove himself. There has got to be another reason. I find it interesting to note
that suddenly guards are coming out of the woodwork at Chicago. It seems like
there is tremendous pressure not to play him.Jeff
The haters are simply trying to remove the bitter memory of Jimmer totally
abusing their team - see highlights of Jimmer's last appearance in the
Huntsman - on his way to winning every major national award and being named the
consensus national player of the year.Here's a clue.Nothing Jimmer does in the NBA will change what he accomplished at BYU. As for not playing anybody - ask Arizona, Florida, and Top 5 SDSU what
it was like to try to guard Jimmer.
This from another post to put in the pie hole of those who claim Jimmer
doesn't belong in the NBA:Per 36 this year:Jimmer:
18.9 ppg, 4.6 apg, 1.0 spg, 46% fg, 49% 3ptDJ Agustine: 17.0 ppg, 6.0 apg,
1.0 spg, 41% fg, 42% 3ptWhat exactly do you all mean by
"belonging" in the NBA - not everyone is LJ or MJ.As quoted by the
Spaniard in the movie Princess Bride - "I do not think that means what you
think it means."
To say he has proven nothing of value in the NBA is also a bunch of bunk. He
has a BETTER 3p (49%) and overall shooting (46%) % this year than he ever did
when he was schooling almost everyone who tried to guard him in college, only
now it's AGAINST NBA TALENT!!! To claim he doesn't belong in the NBA
is ridiculous. The evidence is clear. Also AGAINST NBA TALENT, he has more
points per minute played than a huge portion of the NBA. He may not be the next
LJ, but he belongs.
To those who say Jimmer played no D in college, or now, you're out to
lunch. Granted, he wasn't the team's designated stopper like Emery,
but I do believe he was second on the team to Emery in steals / game. He
anticipates very well, and though not a lock down defender, his defensive
spacing is excellent, and the points scored against him in the NBA is actually
better than about 30% of players in the league, and that when almost all teams
admit to specifically scheming against him when he's in there because of
the "perception" that he's a defensive liability. Yes - it's
true - many other coaches have admitted it.
@chrisb..."Which byu player of the last couple decades
wouldn't trade their NBA career for Andre Miller or Andrew
Bogut's?" Why did you arbitrarily stop at 2 decades? Why
not 3 or 4? Or 5? Is it because you didn't want to include Ainge,
Roberts' or Hutchins? Or why didn't you stop it after 7
or 8 years? Is it because the ute's haven't had a player even drafted
in the NBA in that time frame? In fact, wasn't Bogut (the guy who goes
fishing 50% of the time during every season because of some form of injury)the
last ute actually drafted? Wasn't that something like in 2005? lol.
I've just spent a couple of hours reading numerous articles about Fredette
and the Bulls and the general consensus is that Jimmer should be fine...
Apparently when the Bulls waived Murphy that secured Jimmer for the Brewer
acquisition... This opinion is led by none other than ESPN itself...The general comment supporting the fact that Jimmer will stay on through the
play offs is based on the fact that Fredette is still considered by Thibs and
many players on the roster as one of the best 3 ballers in the league... And
they quickly add, "He wasn't acquired for his Defensive Skills, he was
acquired because he can shoot the rock..."
Chris BWhich Utah player of forever wouldn't trade their
college career for being the Consensus National Player of the Year and being a
national phenomenon that was so popular a new word had to be coined to describe
his amazing abilities - Jimmermania!
There is one reason, and one reason only, that the troll haters spew their
meaningless rant - he played for BYU. And they are still aggravated about being
lit up by 49 at the huntsman center. And "he played in the MWC,
before the MWC got good"??? Good grief - are you kidding me?
Chris, I see how this works... How's this: What Ute football
player of the last 40 years wouldn't trade their NFL career for Steve
Young's?I was comparing the critics to the doers, Chris, not
trying to avoid the argument by moving the goalposts. Jimmer is a
fine person, a fine basketball player, and universally respected by real Utes --
the ones who actually played. It is the live-life-vicariously crowd that hopes
and looks for flaws.
For those who think Jimmer can't create his own shot and is mainly a post
up shooter - your bball i.q. is extremely low (and you've never watched him
go to work on his you tube highlight game videos). There are many NBA guys who
cannot create shots like Jimmer. He's fearless in taking the ball to the
hoop and is quite capable of making lay ups frequently against the trees down
low in the NBA. I've seen it with my own eyes, and it's quite
impressive.One on one in the open court, ha! You can practically
count the two, or the pull up three - he's likely to score most anytime in
that situation - deadly. His floater in the lane is george Gervinesque, sweet
touch in the lane (did I say no FEAR)! I don't understand why he
hasn't been let loose in the NBA? No one plays defense in the league
durring the regular season. A person who is quick enough to juke just about any
defender in the NBA is quick enough to play some D.
Even though Jimmer drilled my Utes, I was really hoping things would work out
for him in the NBA. I've rarely seen such a pure shooter in college and
thought he could have a Korver, JJ Reddick, Steve Kerr, type of career with the
right offensive scheme/team. I don't understand why Chicago signed him and
planted him on the bench with several DNP/Coach's decision since his
arrival.Hopefully the right situation exists for Jimmer in the NBA,
if not, European hoops is not a bad way to make a living for the next several
Rational,Which byu player of the last couple decades wouldn't
trade their NBA career for Andre Miller or Andrew Bogut's?
Who on this comment board wouldn't trade their next-year paycheck for
@Christine B. HedgefogHas it only been a decade? Seems longer.
More quotes:"Until he shows more interest in defense than a
blind man has in rainbows, he's going to spend most of his NBA life sitting
on padded folding chairs...you think this barely 6-2 kid with no speed and YMCA
hops can be the next Maravich or Ainge or Westbrook? Fredette about it.""Finally, the Jimmer was unveiled as 90 percent media creation, 10
percent basketball prodigy. No reasonable person can watch Jimmer and Kemba, and
tell me Jimmer's in the same league. Laughable. The Jimmer and that hype is
done! That guy, trust me, is coming to an NBA bench near you.""Jimmer Fredette will be in Europe in a year or two. He has no future in
the league. None. He can't create his own shot, he has a hard time coming
off screens for a shot and he's not a point guard."
@EastCoastCougI agree. Give Jimmer his due. He was far more than an
"OK" college player. He lit it up. Some may say he's a "one
trick pony" but its one great trick. If you can shoot as well as he does,
there is a place for you in the NBA. What he really needs is to settle into a
role with a team that plays to his strengths. And there's no question he
needs to work on defense - a lot. There will be a team that will pick up Jimmer
at bargain basement prices, teach him the defensive skills he needs, and be well
To all the Utes here...other than making a load of baskets shooting from Temple
Square on your b-ball team, what did Jimmer ever do to you?? You people act like
he's shot your dog or dated your little sister. Grow up and find something
constructive to do. The kid was phenomenal in college. Get over it!
Without reading any of the comments, let me sum up what I assume is written
here:Cons:"Jimmer is horrible on defense!""He doesn't belong in the NBA!""He won't be wanted
in the NBA soon!""He is too much of an offensive
liability!""Neiner, neiner....I told you so!"Pros:"Jimmer is amazing! He just needs a good coach and
time!""Sacramento was horrible for him - terrible team and
coach!""Jimmer's defense will improve!""Look at
his points per minute played and %s on 3's and FT's!""He
needs more playing time!"Honestly, I'm sick of everyone
assuming they know exactly how Jimmer is going to pan out as a player. I give
him nothing but mad props for being in the NBA.
Missouri loves BYULebanon, MOLets play the yes/No game....Was Jimmmer Awesome in College.... Yes. Lets move on....Has Jimmer done well in the pros... No.Is Sacramento considered a
quality basketball organization... No.Did many pundits think that
Sacramento was a good fit for Jimmer... No.Has Sacramento....--------------He's not in Sacramento anymore, move on from
those excuses.Did NBA scouts think Jimmer's game translated to
the NBA... NO!“Jimmer Fredette has never shown that he can do
all that much in the NBA. He’s not playing against college kids.
He’s playing against grown men, professionals. Everyone he plays against
has great athleticism.” Fredette, he explains, lacks the physical
attributes required to play at an elite level in the NBA. “Where’s
the strength? Where’s the foot quickness? Where’s the length?
He’s way down in the equation physically in the NBA.”
I don't think anybody can deny that Jimmer was a great college basketball
player. He is a great shooter and was given a total green light from anywhere
on the floor. He didn't play much defense at byu because he didn't
have to that wasn't and still isn't a big part of their game plan.
That is the biggest knock you hear about Haws.There is no doubt that
Jimmer can still shoot, but at his height it is tougher for him to get off his
shot. There have been plenty of successful players in the NBA that are the same
height or even shorter but they have better speed than Jimmer and they can all
play good defense.I would say that the verdict is still out on him
as being able to be a legit guard in the NBA. I do think that it will be harder
and harder for him to find playing time on any team as he sits on the bench. If
he is going to have a chance, he is going to need to learn how to play D.
Some of you folks need an introduction to some facts:motorbikeCottonwood Heights, UTnvfan"'...I witnessed
him totally outplay Kawhi Leonard...'""That's odd,
I'd have thought they'd have guarded guys who played their own
position."If you'd seen the game(s), Steve Fisher (SDSt
Coach) played Leonard on Jimmer in an attempt to slow him down. So one guards
the guy the coach assigns you; and yes, it was a severe compliment to Jimmer for
Fisher to make that assignment.LovelyDeseretGilbert, AZ"Jimmer is slow but quick and can shoot but can't jump or play
defense." Jimmer maybe slow and poor on defense, but his
vertical leap is ~39" so I wouldn't say he "can't jump."
When are people going to learn to be objective and admit that Jimmer is a bust
at the NBA level? He isn't getting playing time for a reason. If he was as
good as you all say he is, he would be getting playing time. First he was going
to be the MVP of the Sacramento Kings, but the Kings didn't play him
because they were a bad organization. Now he is on the bulls where he was going
to take Derrick Rose's spot. But now Chicago is a bad organization because
they aren't playing him. This pattern will repeat until he is out of the
league within a year or two.
If we East Lake bandwagoners can make enough uneducated comments about
Jimmer's NBA career so far, will it make the 47 he rained down on us in the
dark concrete cavern during our decade of insignificance go away?
To be fair, Jimmer can shoot the long ball like none other. The problem is,
shooting (from long range) is only one part of the equation for playing and
excelling in the NBA. Jimmer was allowed to play no defense at BYU, and so half
of the overall game needed in the NBA is none existent on his part. Unless he
can suddenly become a defensive stopper, I don't see him having much of a
chance at this highest level.
(Cont.)Is Jimmer getting more minutes in Chicago.... No.Is Chicago a
better basketball organization than Sacramento.... YesIs Chicago one of
the top defensive teams in the NBA... YesDid the coach for chicago say
that Jimmer would likely get few minutes this late in the season when they
signed him... Yes.Has Chicago been winning most of their games without
playing Jimmer... Yes.If I am the coach of Chicago and I am already
winning a high percentage of my games without playing the new guy who is not
experienced with our offensive or defensive schemes...would I mess with my
rotation in order to play the new guy more?.. Probably a No..Does
any of the above change my opinion about Jimmer being a class act and an awesome
basketball player.... Nope. Jimmer is a class act. Regardless of how his NBA
career pans out he is and always will be awesome.
So is Chicago a bad organization because Jimmer didn't break out there
either?Is it Sac Town's fault that Jimmer was a bust?Or, is it just Jimmer?
Lets play the yes/No game....Was Jimmmer Awesome in College.... Yes.
You cannot win every major national basketball award without a high level of
awesomeness. You cannot beat Danny Ainges scoring record without being awesome.
You cannot score more points in one game than any other player in the history of
Arizona's McKale center without being awesome. It is a fact that Jimmer
was awesome.Lets move on....Has Jimmer done well in the
pros... No.Is Sacramento considered a quality basketball organization...
No.Did many pundits think that Sacramento was a good fit for Jimmer...
No.Has Sacramento had multiple coaching changes since drafting
Jimmer...YesWould anyone place any of Sacramentos recent coaches on a list
of good coaches... No.Does Sacramento have a winnning culture... NoWill Sacramento make the playoffs... NoHas Sacramento won more games
since Jimmer left... No.
There are plenty of players who are amazing at the college level, whose skills
don't translate to the pro's. This doesn't mean they were
"overrated" in college, it just means the game is different.
"Jimmer" is playing teams where all the players are far superior to the
best of the best players he ever faced in college. Even at programs
like Duke and UNC, we have seen plenty who were stars in college, and failed to
reach the same level of play in the pros. And we have equally seen the
opposite come true as well… Lets be really clear….
Jimmer played in a weak conference. He did well. But it was not the same
competition that players like J. J. Redick played against, and got similar or
better college numbers.
Free Jimmer!Sacramento is just a bad organizationChicago
is just a bad organizationFree Jimmer!
Defense people, defense! The lack of it will haunt him and hamper his ability
to make a difference in the NBA.
All this hating going on really has nothing to do with Jimmer, but all to do
about rivalries of two schools, which is a shame. That young man deserves
better than that, no matter what school he played at.
I hope Jimmer can come to the Portland Trailblazers team. He fits the system
that Coach Stotts has set up there, and it is time for them to weed out some of
their young but unimpressive bench talent and to pick up scorers like Jimmer.
He'd have a very long career there. However, I am more worried that
he'd end up on a San Antonio team or worse yet, a rebuilding Knicks team.
There are not many guys in the NBA with Jimmer's talent for finding the cup
or for finding the open man. San Antonio has a shooter in Patty Mills, but he
was passed around and not given much of a chance until Coach Popovich gave him a
chance. And New York has a great talent evaluator in Phil Jackson. Please
Portland, bring in the Jimmer!
What IS the problem with Jimmer? Do other players resent his popularity with
fans? Do players think he is so good he'll make them look bad? Are
coaches equally concerned? Is racism or religion or values an issue? What IS
the problem??? I don't understand it.
@worfJimmer hasn't scored 50 total points in Chicago in 20
The "haters" are the Jimmer fans!
For everyone saying that Jimmer hasn't "been given a chance", how
do you know that? Is he not practicing with the same Bulls players that play
each game with the same coach who coaches the Bulls each game? The best players
play the game each night. If Jimmer isn't up to par in practice, he
isn't going to play in the game. I'm not saying Jimmer wasn't a
great college player, but we all saw this coming that he won't make it in
the NBA. He would be playing if he was the best player, but he isn't and
the coach sees that in practice.
Y-Ask-Y?Now can we move on already?Did someone force you
and all of the other haters to read and comment on this article?Jimmer is a unique talent who will find his niche in the NBA and be very
successful, and all of the naysayers will still be trying to minimize one of the
most sensational players ever to play college ball in the state of Utah.Being chosen as consensus national player of the year and winning every
major national award was no fluke.How many players have been so
phenomenal that a new name - Jimmermania - had to be coined just to describe
It's quite apparent that some people don't have a clue about
basketball. Jimmer Fredette was a great basketball player in college and had
great games against good competition. Fredette obviously lacks defensive skills
but he has an NBA offensive game. Fredette has not seen the last of his days in
It says something about us when we need to put down someone who has achieved
great things when they are having a moment of failure. Maybe Jimmer never makes
it in the pro's, but it doesn't dim one bit what he has done in the
past. I hope you don't practice this sad behavior with your
kids, wife or yourselves...
I'm amazed at some of the comments here. Jimmer had some amazing games in
college. Yes, he's done poorly in the NBA. But to go back and say he was
NEVER good is illogical. He was one of the best collegiate athletes to play in
the state of Utah. It happens often that standouts in college
don't make it in pro's. I'm sure many of us have had the
experience of only being able to "make it" professionally at one level.
How many of us have gone from a small national company to a much bigger global
one or moved to another city and part of the world and made it to the top levels
of leadership and performance? That rarely happens too. So many variables at
play...Before you go knocking Jimmer, ask yourself what you have
done in your life and if you've EVER done anything equivalent in sports or
work or anything of a competitive nature on a national or global level. Why
would you want to take away what Jimmer (or anyone else) has done simply because
they're struggling now?
AggieAndeeWhat would an Aggie fan know about "before the MWC was
good"?Ask SDSU, New Mexico and UNLV how good the MWC was during
Jimmer's senior season.
motorbikeIt's laughable that the only fan base in the country
that doesn't think that pre-season games matter is a program that is
one-and-done for almost a decade in the post-season tournament that does matter.
"The only reason Jimmer did okay in college was because he played in the MWC
before it got good so he never had any competition."The best
year the MWC has ever had was during Jimmer's senior year. BYU, SDSU, and
New Mexico were all extremely good teams that season. If I remember correctly,
the MWC was ranked the 3rd best conference in RPI. They haven't done that
since. So, to say he didn't face any competition is just ludicrous.And, yes, Kawhi Leonard did guard Jimmer at times. Many teams tried to
put long, athletic defenders on him to limit his shot. As we all know, it
So many experts/haters. If he ever gets a legitimate chance to play, he might
surprise someone. He has a record of doing just that.
Ahem. He has still played more minutes and scored more points in the NBA than
any of us.
You don't know what you don't know. It would be nice for Jimmer to
get several quality starts where he knows the game is his and see what he can
do. That hasn't happened in his time as a pro. Wasn't too long ago
he got a few minutes and pumped in 24 points. Imagine if he had the whole game,
or like I said, several games. Then you could determine if he was able to
compete at that level. From what I've seen of the few minutes he's
gotten, he does fine. He just hasn't found the right fit.
To be fair to Jimmer, he has never been given the chance to really see what he
could do. Those who are hating and dissing on him are not being fair in their
assessments. I mean how can you judge someone's real value to a team when
you're only given 25 minutes in 7 games? C'mon guys! Let's be
real here! That's about 3.2 mins a game? How many any other players can
you honestly say would do better if they were all given the same chance? Can
you all honestly say that Jimmer wouldn't produce more if he was given a
fair share of playing time instead of a measly 3+ minutes a game instead? I
hope Jimmer will eventually find a team that will give him that chance. He
deserves it and more! Go Jimmer!
I really like Jimmer. He seems like a real class act. I can not see why he
can't be the next Kyle Korver, playing a valuable role and making a nice
paycheck. Good luck Jimmer!
Jimmer lit up the highlight reels in college and sold out the 20,000-plus-seat
Marriott Center for most of his senior year. He would certainly do the same for
any NBA team that gave him 45+ minutes of playing time. His popularity among
Mormons is also bankable. The Jazz is missing out on a gold mine.
I hate to say "I told you so", but... Ah, heck, I love to say "I
told you so"!Jimmer was and is overrated. I told you so!Now can we move on already?
Jimmer is slow but quick and can shoot but can't jump or play defense. He
needs a coach who can game around him. It might not happen in his lifetime.
nvfan"...I witnessed him totally outplay Kawhi
Leonard..."That's odd, I'd have thought they'd
have guarded guys who played their own position.
worf"Jimmer scored around fifty on PAC 10 Arizona.
Twice."...in games that didn't matter. Just ask this
year's Utes what it's like to play Arizona in the regular season
versus the postseason.
To AggieAndee, Worf was right. Tell that to the U of Arizona faithful, no
opposing player scored more points than Jimmer. They gave him a standing ovation
at the end of the game.
We seem to not have a shortage of opinions concerning Jimmer, both good and bad.
Most players are judged after they have played significant minutes.
Unfortunately for Jimmer, he is not one of them. In college I witnessed him
totally outplay Kawhi Leonard and other top players when they played. Kawhi was
fortunate to get drafted by and to play for San Antonio. If Fredette was given
the same chances as Kawhi we might not be discussing whether or not he can play
in the NBA. We would already know.... As for whether he can play at this level,
we can only guess.
Jimmer will sign a contract with an NBA team after the season ends. Guaranteed.
Jimmer scored around fifty on PAC 10 Arizona. Twice
The only reason Jimmer did okay in college was because he played in the MWC
before it got good so he never had any competition. He would've been on
the bench in the ACC or Big 12. Jimmer belongs in the D league, if there even.
We all say this coming. Jimmer is not NBA material because he doesn't have
the skills or the speed. He was overrated in college and turned out to be one
of the biggest busts of his NBA class.It's probably a good time
for Jimmer to brush up on his Turkish because he'll finish his career