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  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    April 12, 2014 2:08 p.m.

    I don't care if Noah was orange or purple. It was a terrible movie!

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    April 10, 2014 8:08 a.m.

    To "Schnee" read the biblical accounts. It states that the springs of the earth were opened in addition to the rain coming down. Do you know how much water there is if you sucked out all of the water from the ground and unleashed the rains?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    April 9, 2014 8:51 p.m.

    Schnee,

    After you have created worlds without number, populated those worlds with everything required for human life, placed each of those worlds in its proper orbit, and most importantly, laid down your life for others and then took it up again, then you might have the right to tell us that something as simple as covering the entire earth with water can't be done. While you're at it maybe you can tell us how bumblebees can fly. Science tells us that it impossible. How about telling us how a giraffe can drink. That's another scientific impossibility. How about telling us what leaves the body at the time of death? Science has "weighed" the spirit, but science has no idea what it is. Do you? Christ told us all about the soul, which is the body and the spirit. Why does a body die when the spirit leaves?

    Why isn't Salt Lake under 500 feet of water? How about the last ice age? Why aren't we all freezing?

    Did anything change in earth's history?

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    April 9, 2014 5:25 p.m.

    @Mike Richards
    "They tell us that because they can't understand how an entire planet could be covered in water, that it was impossible. "

    Because it is. If all the water in the atmosphere rained out (this wouldn't happen anyway) in an even distribution over the world it'd cover the planet one inch. So you'd need many many more times the water in the atmosphere than currently is there. Water vapor is a greenhouse gas so you'd end up making the Earth much much warmer than it currently is, not to mention the massive pressure increase that would come from having an ocean in the atmosphere (recall why humans can only go so far below the surface of the ocean without a means of protection).

    "Knowledge takes effort."

    I'll just note now that outright rejecting the points I make above with "well God could do it" requires no effort.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    April 9, 2014 5:17 p.m.

    @SigmaBlue
    "if only they had "just stuck with the script", i.e. the Bible's version of the story, but they squandered the chance to make what could have been a truly epic film of faith."

    Can you? I mean... it only takes 10 minutes to read the "script" in Genesis, can that really be pushed out to a feature length movie without adding in stuff (which is certainly not to say the stuff they added was the right stuff to add).

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    April 9, 2014 3:40 p.m.

    Interesting --

    Conservative complain endlessly about the lack of God fearing religous movies,
    and then complain that when Hollywood makes one - it isn't right for as many reasons as there are religous interpretations of the same scriptures.

    I suppose the reason Hollywood doesn't make movies like this,
    is because the audience the are trying to appease -- can't be appeased no matter how hard they try.

    Score one for Lucifor for getting the religous zealots to shout down a decent, but imperfect movie.

    Now --
    I don't want to hear one word of complain when Hollywodd stops making money loosing Religous movies,
    and goes back to tried and true slasher, zombie, sex movies....

  • Zoniezoobie Mesa, AZ
    April 9, 2014 2:19 p.m.

    I am LDS and saw Noah last evening in a mostly empty theatre, and found it spiritual and entertaining also. It was easy to see where the director ventured away from scripture to tell a more interesting story. Although Noah was portrayed as faltering in knowing God's direction and weak toward the end, he came through eventually on the side of goodness. You'd better see it while its still on the big wide screen. It will not cripple your faith.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    April 9, 2014 8:28 a.m.

    Esquire,

    Yes, knowledge takes effort. We agree. But, perhaps those who discount the Bible as being "fiction" need to read some of the scientific reports at the time of Edison. Edison was brilliant, but his vocabulary and his understanding were shaped by his education (or lack thereof) and his life. He enlightened us (no pun intended), but much has been discovered since Edison. Does that mean that we should discount him and his efforts, or should we study them to see how a man with little formal education could "discover" so many things that help us today?

    If Christ, as the Creator, could make worlds without number, then what limits Him from doing those things written about in the Bible? Just because those who wrote the Bible didn't have YOUR vocabulary, didn't mean that they wrote fiction. How would you describe the workings of the Internet to people who didn't even have electricity? Do you think that they would understand your vocabulary?

    Christ teaches on many levels. His instructions included listening to the Holy Spirit as it prompts us.

    Knowledge takes effort.

  • Rexburg Reader Rexburg, ID
    April 9, 2014 8:21 a.m.

    Just another example of why I always find time to read anything written by Doug Robinson.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    April 9, 2014 8:02 a.m.

    @ Mike Richards, you say "Knowledge requires effort." I completely agree. Imagine how many of those Bible stories are taken literally when they defy logic, science and reality. They are there to teach, not to be an accurate historical record.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    April 9, 2014 7:59 a.m.

    The movie is a fictional account of a fictional account. Seriously, why all the fuss?

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    April 9, 2014 7:27 a.m.

    2 bits
    Cottonwood Heights, UT
    airnaut (or whoever)...

    Your list is not that different from the Utah Republican Party Platform.
    Irony Guy
    Bountiful, Utah
    Hey 2Bits,
    The national Republican platform would prohibit abortion with NO exceptions.
    5:44 p.m. April 8, 2014
    =========

    Ummm, yes – 2bits, it is different.
    The Utah Republican Party platform does not allow for viability of the fetus [per LDS Policy],
    And as Iron Guy correctly points out, the National GOP party platform is NO exceptions.

    Back to Noah --
    Same goes to GOP policy regarding the Environment,
    vs. LDS Doctrine.

    Again -- NOT in Harmony with LDS Church policies.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    April 9, 2014 5:16 a.m.

    Mind-boggling that people are arguing over a fictional story about a work of fiction. Simply amazing.

  • Cool Headed Sandy, UT
    April 9, 2014 2:09 a.m.

    To all the vegans I know and love: you eat what you want, let others do the same. To the "Mormon doctrine" vegans, take a breath. Please. D&C 49:18,19. (Vegetarianism is not ordained of God, the flesh and skins of birds, beasts and animals are for the use of man for food, raiment, and that he might have IN ABUNDANCE). Going Green doesn't justify being mean ... Let's stop getting in each other's face. I hate wintertime inversions but at least they go away after a few weeks -- the constant bickering and finger pointing never stops. And it only makes it worse. We'll figure out ways to drive natural gas vehicles within a few years, and much of the man-made gunk will lighten up, leaving the natural -- but still irritating -- natural wintertime gunk. All this haranguing over class envy, human self-loathing, regulatory overload, and 24 hour political witch hunting is far worse and more corrosive than the PM10 in the valley air. God commanded Noah to build an ark to SAVE mankind ... Read the end of the Book -- God does not condemn humans, He died to save us all.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    April 8, 2014 8:56 p.m.

    Most people who have little knowledge of God is in a world where that information is so easily found, tell us that that Jesus Christ, the Creator, not only of this world, but of all creation, is merely a teacher whose word is not to be trusted if it disagrees with their personal ideas.

    They tell us that because they can't understand how an entire planet could be covered in water, that it was impossible.

    They tell us that because they can't envision a planet as being anything but inert rock, hard on the outside and molten on the inside, that the references to the spiritual side of earth are false.

    They think that the parables are just stories, not realizing that the parable of The Good Samaritan is an accurate description of what the Son of God does, as he visits "earth" after "earth" after "earth", relieving the burdens of His brothers and sisters.

    They reject the parable of The Wheat and the Tares, not realizing that it tells of what will soon happen as "believers" and "non-believers" are fully "ripened".

    Knowledge requires effort.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    April 8, 2014 6:51 p.m.

    I don't know why the writer spent $20 on the movie - unless to write this review. There were many previews and no excuse not to know this one was unscriptural and agenda driven.

    Still to be fair, while Jesus asked, concerning the "fowls of the air": are you not much better t han they? (Matthew 6:26) he did still save "unclean" animals in the ark, at least by pairs, in order that they could continue to perpetuate their kind also. He did create them in the first place, and he did originally ordain fruit for Mankind's diet, and later say that It was "pleasing" in his sight that we only eat animal flesh in times of famine or winter (Doctrine and Covenants, Section 89). It's also true that man's "stewardship" over animals is not restricted to eating them

    Even though this movies "sucks rocks" it should not be forgotten that, in the Joseph Smith translation of Genesis, Chapter Nine, it "says":

    And surely blood shall not be shed except for meat, to save your lives; and the blood of every beast will I require at your hands. (JST Genesis 9:11) And

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    April 8, 2014 5:44 p.m.

    Hey 2Bits,
    The national Republican platform would prohibit abortion with NO exceptions. "We assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment's protections apply to unborn children." Life and health of mother, rape, incest, etc. not to be considered. Her rights don't count.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 8, 2014 3:12 p.m.

    airnaut (or whoever)...

    Your list is not that different from the Utah Republican Party Platform.

    Google "Utah Republican Party Platform". This is verbatum what you will find...

    RIGHT TO LIFE
    We believe in the right to life for both the born and unborn. We strongly oppose abortion, except to preserve the life of the mother or in cases of rape or incest. We believe the unborn child has a fundamental right to life which cannot be infringed. We believe all human life is sacred regardless of age or infirmity, and therefore we oppose abortion, euthanasia, assisted suicide, and the public funding of any of these abhorrent practices.

    Not that different... is it?

    It's WAY different than the Democrat's position isn't it (Democrats in Washington have worked to have the right of abortion on demand for any reason... right up to the 9th month. Even worked to force people who abhore abortion to have to pay for your abortion...

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    April 8, 2014 2:56 p.m.

    FYI --

    If you read more about it,
    The Producers didn't rely solely on the cannonized "Bible".
    They used Gnostic writings.

    So of course you will get the "Bible thumpers" in an up-roar.

    Just like they do when us Mormons quote from the Book of Mormon, D&C, and PoGP.

    Let alone our modern Prophets...

  • nonceleb Salt Lake City, UT
    April 8, 2014 2:36 p.m.

    Can we please give this a rest? It is likely that most Christians are not fundamentalists and do not believe there was a literal flood with three times the water which is on earth now and that an ark held literally millions of different species. Most Christians likely believe in biblical truth as metaphor, and moral allegory and parables. To argue the truth of the story is meaningless, because it probably was originally meant as a metaphorical story. There is no so-called misrepresentation of "facts." The director said it best when he said they took a myth and made it more mythical.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    April 8, 2014 2:07 p.m.

    @2 bits
    Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Open Minded Mormon

    How are you going to explain your beliefs? Yesterday you were defending gay marriage as being perfectly normal and something your God would embrace.

    ========

    I have never said I was for Same Sex Marriage.

    I was for equal rights and legal access.
    I suggested Civil Unions, Domestic Partnerships or Parriages --
    But Utah's Ammendment 3 went for All-or-Nothing.

    I am for medical majiuana use --
    especially NON-pyschotropic oils for epileptic children.
    D&C 89:11 [Word of Wisdom]
    11 EVERY herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving.

    I am Pro-Choice -
    - rape or incest, or
    - life or health of the mother, or
    - fetus has severe defects.
    all per the LDS Church's Official policies.

    The Republican Party Platform does not meet all that criteria.
    So now I have to ask -- Do you sympathize or affiliate with any such group?

    FYI -- Some of our LDS Presidents of the Church were Vegans.
    Re-read D&C 89 about the Word of Wisdom.

    Hollywood's Noah being vegan may be more correct than not.

  • county mom Monroe, UT
    April 8, 2014 1:55 p.m.

    Adam and Eve were given 3 commandments in the Garden of Eden. Any one know what those were?

    To go forth and tend and till the garden, to multiply and replenish the earth and to not eat of the forbidden fruit. I'm not going to talk about the fruit.

    Tending and tiling to me does not sound like, "leave it alone and don't touch anything".
    Tending is watering, pulling weeds and removing pests. Tilling is turning the earth over.
    Multiply is obvious, and that commandment was also given to the animals.

    It is not evil to care for the earth, to try to prevent pollution and to try to be conservative and careful to not abuse the bounties of this planet.
    It is also like wise not evil to use the land to enjoy the beauty around us, to plant and till. It is also not evil to have children.
    It is when extremism comes, that evil occurs.
    How awful of Hollywood to desicrate this wonderful Bible story about love, hope and faith. Way to sad.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    April 8, 2014 1:51 p.m.

    A lot of people are commenting on this, disappointed that Noah didn't have an SUV, butcher shop and oil rig, as well as all the attitudes and mannerisms of a 21st century american republican.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 8, 2014 12:55 p.m.

    Open Minded Mormon
    You can call me to repentence for not going along with your spin on these particular scriptures (even though I pointed out that in general you are right, just not in how you spin these particular verses to fit your environmentalist agenda).

    I'm assuming you are the same person as "LDS Tree Hugger".

    But I'm comfortable in my beliefs, I believe we are commanded to take care of the earth. And my actions are in line with my beliefs, and I'm not in fear of explaining them to my maker.

    How are you going to explain your beliefs? Yesterday you were defending gay marriage as being perfectly normal and something your God would embrace. I think it was you (or one of our many aliases) who said the guy who got fired for making a $1000 political donation deserved it... for his "Odious" beliefs.

    Well... President Monson shares those odious beliefs. Obviously you don't. So you obviously think you know more than the Prophet. Which is sign you're on a slipery slope. How are you going to explain your suport of mariguana use, gay lifestyle, abortion, etc... when you meet your maker?

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    April 8, 2014 12:04 p.m.

    LDS Tree Hugger

    "Pollute" and "corrupt" are interchangable? OK, fine. However what do you think was the main problem with humanity in Noahs day was, or ours even. Too much trash or too much sin? I seriously doubt that it was a dirty environment that would cause God to end humanity. Plus, if there was worldwide carbon emissions and globle warming or (climate change) going on, from what source was it in Noahs day? Exxon/Mobile?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    April 8, 2014 11:54 a.m.

    What did the Bible say about the flood and about Noah?

    "5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

    6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

    7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

    8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord."

    No twisting of doctrine needs to be done. Wickedness filled the earth. God acted, just as He will act at some future point when the people are "fully ripe". Those of us who are "gardeners" know how to tell when things are almost ripe. Mankind is "almost ripe". I wonder how many movie "producers" will be around to make a film of the 2nd coming?

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    April 8, 2014 11:21 a.m.

    Where did I SPIN anything?
    I quoted the Scriptures - verbatim - and added NOTHING.

    I didn't even start with General Conference or the Temple quotes...
    There's more, much more.

    Sorry we can't see it eye to eye.

    I will follow the Prophets, Scriptures, Conference talks, and my Temple covenants.

    I have a CLEAN conscious about my stewardship to the Earth, and I can do better.
    We can all do better.

    But go ahead -- mock God,I'm not going to stop you.

  • 2 bit Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 8, 2014 10:43 a.m.

    LDS Tree-Hugger (LDS Liberal, Open Minded Mormon, airnot, etc)... Your post was fascinating to me. A perfect example of the philosophys of men... mingled with scripture.

    You worked so hard and twisted so many ingenious ways to spin Genisis into being about Global Warming or something... Just amazing...

    You may be right. The Bible may have been a warning about Global Warming and polution. But I think I'll take it the way I understand it (without trying to spin and twist it into an environmentalism text).

    ===

    We already know we are commanded to care for this planet (from scriptures and modern revelation). You don't have to twist these into possibly saying what you want them to say. We get it. It's very clearly stated elsewhere...

    The land and the animals on this earth are also there to benefit man. I'm shooting for the middle ground. Care for it. Don't ruin it. But use the resources we are given in moderation.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 8, 2014 10:28 a.m.

    Doesn't sound like my kinda movie.

    That doesn't mean it's not good or that other people won't like it. Just I'm not interested.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    April 8, 2014 9:54 a.m.

    I need one of those stone "Watchers" to till me garden, trim my trees and weed my planterns.

  • LDS Tree-Hugger Farmington, UT
    April 8, 2014 8:42 a.m.

    Genesis 6:
    11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

    12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth

    Hebrew for the word "corrupt" can also be "pollute".

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    The law of Moses states:
    'Ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are"
    Numbers 35:33

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    Mormon Scripture states:
    "For shall the children of the kingdom pollute my holy land?' (D&C 84:49, 59)

    ====

    And More LDS doctrine:
    "Nevertheless, if they pollute their inheritances, they shall be thrown down; for I will not spare them if they pollute their inheritances." (D&C 103:13,14)

    ====

    [btw-- I hope the DN monitor will print this, this time -- it's straight from the scriptures.]

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    April 8, 2014 7:56 a.m.

    If you're LDS, you know that the Book of Moses speaks of the pre-flood people as having brought a terrible curse on the environment, that it was a time of severe heat and desertification. That's not in the Bible, but the movie rings true on that point.

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    April 8, 2014 6:55 a.m.

    So being green is evil... did you see the other story today that suicides in Salt Lake County go up during our winter inversions? Doesn't that suggest that pollution is bad for human life here in Utah?

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    April 7, 2014 10:09 p.m.

    Well written, Doug! Much better piece than the other DN review.

  • SigmaBlue Centerville, UT
    April 7, 2014 6:23 p.m.

    "Animal life is more important than human life." is the moral of the story in "Noah" the movie. This was a vastly disappointing contrivance of an amazing spiritual story of one of the greatest prophets who ever lived. Noah the prophet, and his family, deserved much better treatment than Paramount Studios gave them. The movie makers had an amazing cast and visual effects, if only they had "just stuck with the script", i.e. the Bible's version of the story, but they squandered the chance to make what could have been a truly epic film of faith.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    April 7, 2014 6:18 p.m.

    Genesis 6:
    11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
    12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

    Corruption in Hebrew in these 2 cersus is:
    vat·ti·sha·chet,
    nish·cha·tah;
    hish·chit
    -- which is to POLLUTE.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    April 7, 2014 5:51 p.m.

    I only wish I could have written this piece! Thanks Doug.