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Published: Tuesday, April 8 2014 12:00 p.m. MDT

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bandersen
Saint George, UT

I only wish I could have written this piece! Thanks Doug.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Genesis 6:
11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

Corruption in Hebrew in these 2 cersus is:
vat·ti·sha·chet,
nish·cha·tah;
hish·chit
-- which is to POLLUTE.

SigmaBlue
Centerville, UT

"Animal life is more important than human life." is the moral of the story in "Noah" the movie. This was a vastly disappointing contrivance of an amazing spiritual story of one of the greatest prophets who ever lived. Noah the prophet, and his family, deserved much better treatment than Paramount Studios gave them. The movie makers had an amazing cast and visual effects, if only they had "just stuck with the script", i.e. the Bible's version of the story, but they squandered the chance to make what could have been a truly epic film of faith.

wer
South Jordan, UT

Well written, Doug! Much better piece than the other DN review.

Baron Scarpia
Logan, UT

So being green is evil... did you see the other story today that suicides in Salt Lake County go up during our winter inversions? Doesn't that suggest that pollution is bad for human life here in Utah?

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

If you're LDS, you know that the Book of Moses speaks of the pre-flood people as having brought a terrible curse on the environment, that it was a time of severe heat and desertification. That's not in the Bible, but the movie rings true on that point.

LDS Tree-Hugger
Farmington, UT

Genesis 6:
11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth

Hebrew for the word "corrupt" can also be "pollute".

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The law of Moses states:
'Ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are"
Numbers 35:33

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Mormon Scripture states:
"For shall the children of the kingdom pollute my holy land?' (D&C 84:49, 59)

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And More LDS doctrine:
"Nevertheless, if they pollute their inheritances, they shall be thrown down; for I will not spare them if they pollute their inheritances." (D&C 103:13,14)

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[btw-- I hope the DN monitor will print this, this time -- it's straight from the scriptures.]

USAlover
Salt Lake City, UT

I need one of those stone "Watchers" to till me garden, trim my trees and weed my planterns.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Doesn't sound like my kinda movie.

That doesn't mean it's not good or that other people won't like it. Just I'm not interested.

2 bit
Cottonwood Heights, UT

LDS Tree-Hugger (LDS Liberal, Open Minded Mormon, airnot, etc)... Your post was fascinating to me. A perfect example of the philosophys of men... mingled with scripture.

You worked so hard and twisted so many ingenious ways to spin Genisis into being about Global Warming or something... Just amazing...

You may be right. The Bible may have been a warning about Global Warming and polution. But I think I'll take it the way I understand it (without trying to spin and twist it into an environmentalism text).

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We already know we are commanded to care for this planet (from scriptures and modern revelation). You don't have to twist these into possibly saying what you want them to say. We get it. It's very clearly stated elsewhere...

The land and the animals on this earth are also there to benefit man. I'm shooting for the middle ground. Care for it. Don't ruin it. But use the resources we are given in moderation.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Where did I SPIN anything?
I quoted the Scriptures - verbatim - and added NOTHING.

I didn't even start with General Conference or the Temple quotes...
There's more, much more.

Sorry we can't see it eye to eye.

I will follow the Prophets, Scriptures, Conference talks, and my Temple covenants.

I have a CLEAN conscious about my stewardship to the Earth, and I can do better.
We can all do better.

But go ahead -- mock God,I'm not going to stop you.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

What did the Bible say about the flood and about Noah?

"5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord."

No twisting of doctrine needs to be done. Wickedness filled the earth. God acted, just as He will act at some future point when the people are "fully ripe". Those of us who are "gardeners" know how to tell when things are almost ripe. Mankind is "almost ripe". I wonder how many movie "producers" will be around to make a film of the 2nd coming?

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

LDS Tree Hugger

"Pollute" and "corrupt" are interchangable? OK, fine. However what do you think was the main problem with humanity in Noahs day was, or ours even. Too much trash or too much sin? I seriously doubt that it was a dirty environment that would cause God to end humanity. Plus, if there was worldwide carbon emissions and globle warming or (climate change) going on, from what source was it in Noahs day? Exxon/Mobile?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Open Minded Mormon
You can call me to repentence for not going along with your spin on these particular scriptures (even though I pointed out that in general you are right, just not in how you spin these particular verses to fit your environmentalist agenda).

I'm assuming you are the same person as "LDS Tree Hugger".

But I'm comfortable in my beliefs, I believe we are commanded to take care of the earth. And my actions are in line with my beliefs, and I'm not in fear of explaining them to my maker.

How are you going to explain your beliefs? Yesterday you were defending gay marriage as being perfectly normal and something your God would embrace. I think it was you (or one of our many aliases) who said the guy who got fired for making a $1000 political donation deserved it... for his "Odious" beliefs.

Well... President Monson shares those odious beliefs. Obviously you don't. So you obviously think you know more than the Prophet. Which is sign you're on a slipery slope. How are you going to explain your suport of mariguana use, gay lifestyle, abortion, etc... when you meet your maker?

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

A lot of people are commenting on this, disappointed that Noah didn't have an SUV, butcher shop and oil rig, as well as all the attitudes and mannerisms of a 21st century american republican.

county mom
Monroe, UT

Adam and Eve were given 3 commandments in the Garden of Eden. Any one know what those were?

To go forth and tend and till the garden, to multiply and replenish the earth and to not eat of the forbidden fruit. I'm not going to talk about the fruit.

Tending and tiling to me does not sound like, "leave it alone and don't touch anything".
Tending is watering, pulling weeds and removing pests. Tilling is turning the earth over.
Multiply is obvious, and that commandment was also given to the animals.

It is not evil to care for the earth, to try to prevent pollution and to try to be conservative and careful to not abuse the bounties of this planet.
It is also like wise not evil to use the land to enjoy the beauty around us, to plant and till. It is also not evil to have children.
It is when extremism comes, that evil occurs.
How awful of Hollywood to desicrate this wonderful Bible story about love, hope and faith. Way to sad.

airnaut
Everett, 00

@2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT
Open Minded Mormon

How are you going to explain your beliefs? Yesterday you were defending gay marriage as being perfectly normal and something your God would embrace.

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I have never said I was for Same Sex Marriage.

I was for equal rights and legal access.
I suggested Civil Unions, Domestic Partnerships or Parriages --
But Utah's Ammendment 3 went for All-or-Nothing.

I am for medical majiuana use --
especially NON-pyschotropic oils for epileptic children.
D&C 89:11 [Word of Wisdom]
11 EVERY herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving.

I am Pro-Choice -
- rape or incest, or
- life or health of the mother, or
- fetus has severe defects.
all per the LDS Church's Official policies.

The Republican Party Platform does not meet all that criteria.
So now I have to ask -- Do you sympathize or affiliate with any such group?

FYI -- Some of our LDS Presidents of the Church were Vegans.
Re-read D&C 89 about the Word of Wisdom.

Hollywood's Noah being vegan may be more correct than not.

nonceleb
Salt Lake City, UT

Can we please give this a rest? It is likely that most Christians are not fundamentalists and do not believe there was a literal flood with three times the water which is on earth now and that an ark held literally millions of different species. Most Christians likely believe in biblical truth as metaphor, and moral allegory and parables. To argue the truth of the story is meaningless, because it probably was originally meant as a metaphorical story. There is no so-called misrepresentation of "facts." The director said it best when he said they took a myth and made it more mythical.

airnaut
Everett, 00

FYI --

If you read more about it,
The Producers didn't rely solely on the cannonized "Bible".
They used Gnostic writings.

So of course you will get the "Bible thumpers" in an up-roar.

Just like they do when us Mormons quote from the Book of Mormon, D&C, and PoGP.

Let alone our modern Prophets...

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

airnaut (or whoever)...

Your list is not that different from the Utah Republican Party Platform.

Google "Utah Republican Party Platform". This is verbatum what you will find...

RIGHT TO LIFE
We believe in the right to life for both the born and unborn. We strongly oppose abortion, except to preserve the life of the mother or in cases of rape or incest. We believe the unborn child has a fundamental right to life which cannot be infringed. We believe all human life is sacred regardless of age or infirmity, and therefore we oppose abortion, euthanasia, assisted suicide, and the public funding of any of these abhorrent practices.

Not that different... is it?

It's WAY different than the Democrat's position isn't it (Democrats in Washington have worked to have the right of abortion on demand for any reason... right up to the 9th month. Even worked to force people who abhore abortion to have to pay for your abortion...

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