Comments about ‘Failure to vaccinate is reviving diseases that were nearly eradicated, health officials say’

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Published: Monday, April 7 2014 5:30 p.m. MDT

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Capsaicin
Salt Lake City, UT

Science hasn't found a connection and there's a supposed "unsubstantiated fear" about vaccines." But we cannot disassociate ourselves from the fact that parents have had children who've gone from normal to "autistic" after getting vaccines. We should read the literature about how ~1/150 kids exhibits behavior issues associated with autism/aspergers.

The benefits of vaccinations is obvious. But it doesn't detract from the number of parents who's child suffers from negative reactions to the vaccinations. I personally know some parents that this happened to. Their child was normal and a few weeks after the vaccinations wasn't talking as clear and exhibiting learning disabilities no parent should have to deal with. Autism diagnoses rates are up. Hopefully science will one day provide an answer to this growing problem.

Eliyahu
Pleasant Grove, UT

I suspect that most of the opponents of vaccination aren't old enough to remember widespread outbreaks of diseases, quarantine signs on houses, or neighbor's kids dying from illnesses that we now can prevent. They've never had to worry about their doctor telling them that their child has polio. They've never seen cities ravaged by smallpox or plague. They've never seen what seemingly innocuous diseases such as mumps, measles or whooping cough can do to a child. At 65, I'm just young enough to have had the fortune to be vaccinated against polio, and I survived mumps without side effects, but I'm also just old enough to remember children who weren't as lucky.

TilleySue
South Weber, UT

What the article did not mention was that many of the people getting these diseases have already been vaccinated. See immunize.org for starters (a pro-vaccination site). Sounds like big pharm isn't doing its best to make sure these are SAFE AND EFFECTIVE.

From Ted's Head
Orem, UT

Perhaps the hesitation is due to the condescending attitude displayed by those in the medical community who refuse to state the situation truthfully: there are some really bad side effects to vaccines. When people perceive they are being snowed they tend to disregard the message. Of course, when we are lied to regularly by politicians, why should the medical community be any different? Even religious leaders don't qualify their statements as they don't want the "message to the masses" to be diluted by exceptions to the rule. As such, most people believe what they hear, but some refuse to buy it. I was immunized as a child, but our children have not been, in part due to the aforementioned discredited study and my wife's passion about health food and healthy living. Our oldest two children were held out of school for two weeks due to a measles case being reported. Otherwise, they have had fewer illnesses than than peers, but was it due to the lack of immunizations or the healthier food choices we made? In the land of the free...are we truly free to not immunize our children?

CDL
Los Angeles, CA

They had recent substantiated scientific research that showed that autism does in fact occur while inutero. They have not ruled out that some environmental factors may also contribute, there is still no indication or proof that vaccines have any contributing factors to autism, which occurs after birth. It is a spectrum disorder, and while well meaning health conscience people want to believe all the unsubstantiated claims, they are putting their own children and others at risk. Speaking as someone who still remembers the ravages of some of those diseases on children, and who knew people in my life who lived with conditions brought on from some dieses or died because of them, parents need to think twice before making the decision 'not' to vaccinate. This is a fad or trend that potentially can be devastating. I come from a position of having an autistic grandson, niece and a very ADHD/ADD daughter also a spectrum disorder. My life is not untouched by this. But we need to be diligent and find what the real causes are, and potential cures without bringing on more severe problems.

USAlover
Salt Lake City, UT

Since we are already so divided as a nation, we should definitely argue about this as well.

CDL
Los Angeles, CA

I do want to point out though that the one vaccination for young girls, and they now encourage giving to young boys I can't remember the name hpv virus or something like that, is for a condition in which there is less than 1% chance of getting and there is a higher number of those that get this vaccination having severe or life threatening reactions to the vaccination. So, though I am pro vaccinations for many conditions; i.e. polio, mumps, measles, percusses, chicken pox, flu, TB, this hpv virus is one I would not support. It was mentioned in the article but I'm not canceling to go back and look.

ccbs2007
Carson City, NV

Tilleysue, where on that website is that information?

standingoutsidethefire
SPANISH FORK, UT

There seems to be no point in saying this, but there IS evidence that autism is associated with vaccinations, and vaccinations DO cause other problems. In fact, there are those who have CURED AUTISM in young children. The medical field denies this, because their ways don't work. People who want MONEY DO twist the science to make MORE money. Don't believe everything you read. And it IS a VERY HEALTHY THING to question your doctor and learn for yourself.

progress is made by honest people who ask questions

Clarissa
Layton, UT

The supposed truth of vaccines causing autism is anecdotal. They have done MANY studies showing that vaccines do not cause autism. I am very frustrated with the perpetuation of these unproved facts that cause people not to get their children vaccinated. I consider it child endangerment. Didn't you hear about the baby who died here in Utah recently because an unvaccinated child gave her measles? The baby was too young to be vaccinated. People, wake up and check the facts.

jawico
Cedar City, UT

I knew a guy who got his Tdap vaccine the day before he bought a lottery ticket. That ticket won him $5000 two weeks later, so my conclusion is that vaccines create lottery winners.

Correlation has never equaled causation and only one study in the past 50 years ever showed autism causation with vaccines. That study has never been able to be reproduced with the same results and as the article states was discredited as fraudulent during the past decade. Autism is real, but the argument that it comes from vaccines is old, tired and incredibly damaging to the entire population.

andyjaggy
American Fork, UT

I don't buy it, too many people don't seem to understand the difference between causation and correlation.

Example.

I took my child to Lagoon, shortly thereafter he starting displaying signs of learning disabilities. I also found other people online who took their toddlers to lagoon and their kids started displaying learning disabilities shortly thereafter as well. Therefore I conclude that taking your toddler to Lagoon causes autism. Can you see the faulty logic here?

Kids getting vaccines happens at the same time that children would usually start displaying signs of autism. That does NOT mean that the vaccines are causing autism. I know we all want a simple answer to the problem, a simple cause that we can easily fix, but I'm sorry, it's just not that simple. It's not a conspiracy, it's not big pharma, it's just a complex issue and involves many variables.

Mom of Six
Northern Utah, UT

What I would like to know from the anti-vaccine community is this....if vsccines cause autism, why is it that autism has only inclined in the past 20 years or so, and why didn't we see these disorders immediately when we started vaccinating? No one has been untouched by autism, or autoimmune disorders, but no one knows FOR SURE how these disorders really start. They have suspicion without real proof. ( I have children with type 1 diabetes & arthritis, so I am also not untouched by these phenomenons.)

I do know one thing for sure, if we do not immunize our children we will in essence be turning back the clock to see death occur in children that is easily preventable. How will you feel when you decide not to immunize and your child is deathly ill or causes the death of others through your neglect? I am also old enough to remember a classmate who died of a simple case of chicken pox...this was before we vaccinated for this disease. The effects were devastating on an entire community.

OKWalker
Duncan, OK

Once again the DN publishes medical/pharmaceutical propaganda pushing godless fear about not vaccinating. The truth is that vaccination effectiveness wears off leaving previously vaccinated children and adults vulnerable. The only permanent immunity is from a healthy immune system, i.e. health in the navel. I highly recommend that DN editors and assigned reporters review the following book, Vaccine Illusion:

"In her 2012 e-book Vaccine Illusion, Dr. Obukhanych articulates a view on vaccination that radically challenges mainstream assumptions and theories. After parting with the mainstream biomedical establishment and dissolving her prior allegiance to its doctrines, Dr. Obukhanych continues her independent in-depth analysis of peer-reviewed scientific findings related to vaccination and natural mechanisms of immunity. Her aim is to bring a scientifically-substantiated and dogma-free perspective on vaccination and natural immuno-enhancing approaches to parents and health care practitioners involved in making vaccination decisions." (quoted from her website).

In her book, Dr. O destroys the herd immunity myth with convincing data, and further supports the truism, "health is in the navel (or gut), not in the needle."

Owl
Salt Lake City, UT

Although autism is not one of them, there are well known risks associated with immunizations. It is a risk:benefit calculus strongly in the patients' favor. Immunizations have saved millions of lives in the US and around the world in the past several decades. In addition to the Centers for Disease Control, every legitimate medical society of interest and the leadership of the LDS Church have strongly recommended immunization.

Nan BW
ELder, CO

Unfortunately the article does not spell out the fact that there are some vaccines that are more likely to cause serious side-effects than others. It also does not point out that small children can be damaged by having too many vaccinations in a short time frame, thus overloading their small bodies. Much thought, research and prayer should be involved in determining which vaccines are appropriate for children and at what ages. When my now 40 year-old son was a baby, he had food allergies that were very hard on him. His MD advised, "Never have the MMR vaccine for this boy." We did not until he opted to do so for residing out of the country. He developed problems that he has not been able to completely overcome. There is no easy answer to fit the needs of all.

UT Brit
London, England

@Nan BW

Vaccines may cause problems for a very small number of children but so does polio and the measles.
Millions of children around the world have the same vaccines each year. Thousands of children are spared from ravaging illnesses because of this.

My children have all been vaccinated at the recommended ages, not had a problem with any of them.

ArizonaMormon
Mesa, AZ

OKWalker,

Vaccination and modern medicine are not godless. Forgive me for assuming you are LDS (like myself) since you are posted here and have used LDS-specific terminology. If you're not LDS, this post may not mean much, and I apologize for that. I would just like to point out that Elder Russell M. Nelson is a member of the medical community that so many LDS people on this website seem to mistrust. So are many members of the Seventy. In fact, Elder Hugo E. Martinez, who was called to the Seventy over conference this last weekend, is a a family physician. I would also point out that the Church contributes thousands of dollars to vaccination campaigns in third world countries. On its Provident Living website, the Church specifically recommends receiving available vaccines.

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