OKWalker,Vaccination and modern medicine are not godless. Forgive me
for assuming you are LDS (like myself) since you are posted here and have used
LDS-specific terminology. If you're not LDS, this post may not mean much,
and I apologize for that. I would just like to point out that Elder Russell M.
Nelson is a member of the medical community that so many LDS people on this
website seem to mistrust. So are many members of the Seventy. In fact, Elder
Hugo E. Martinez, who was called to the Seventy over conference this last
weekend, is a a family physician. I would also point out that the Church
contributes thousands of dollars to vaccination campaigns in third world
countries. On its Provident Living website, the Church specifically recommends
receiving available vaccines.
@Nan BWVaccines may cause problems for a very small number of
children but so does polio and the measles.Millions of children around the
world have the same vaccines each year. Thousands of children are spared from
ravaging illnesses because of this.My children have all been
vaccinated at the recommended ages, not had a problem with any of them.
Unfortunately the article does not spell out the fact that there are some
vaccines that are more likely to cause serious side-effects than others. It also
does not point out that small children can be damaged by having too many
vaccinations in a short time frame, thus overloading their small bodies. Much
thought, research and prayer should be involved in determining which vaccines
are appropriate for children and at what ages. When my now 40 year-old son was a
baby, he had food allergies that were very hard on him. His MD advised,
"Never have the MMR vaccine for this boy." We did not until he opted to
do so for residing out of the country. He developed problems that he has not
been able to completely overcome. There is no easy answer to fit the needs of
Although autism is not one of them, there are well known risks associated with
immunizations. It is a risk:benefit calculus strongly in the patients'
favor. Immunizations have saved millions of lives in the US and around the world
in the past several decades. In addition to the Centers for Disease Control,
every legitimate medical society of interest and the leadership of the LDS
Church have strongly recommended immunization.
Once again the DN publishes medical/pharmaceutical propaganda pushing godless
fear about not vaccinating. The truth is that vaccination effectiveness wears
off leaving previously vaccinated children and adults vulnerable. The only
permanent immunity is from a healthy immune system, i.e. health in the navel. I
highly recommend that DN editors and assigned reporters review the following
book, Vaccine Illusion:"In her 2012 e-book Vaccine Illusion, Dr.
Obukhanych articulates a view on vaccination that radically challenges
mainstream assumptions and theories. After parting with the mainstream
biomedical establishment and dissolving her prior allegiance to its doctrines,
Dr. Obukhanych continues her independent in-depth analysis of peer-reviewed
scientific findings related to vaccination and natural mechanisms of immunity.
Her aim is to bring a scientifically-substantiated and dogma-free perspective on
vaccination and natural immuno-enhancing approaches to parents and health care
practitioners involved in making vaccination decisions." (quoted from her
website).In her book, Dr. O destroys the herd immunity myth with
convincing data, and further supports the truism, "health is in the navel
(or gut), not in the needle."
What I would like to know from the anti-vaccine community is this....if vsccines
cause autism, why is it that autism has only inclined in the past 20 years or
so, and why didn't we see these disorders immediately when we started
vaccinating? No one has been untouched by autism, or autoimmune disorders, but
no one knows FOR SURE how these disorders really start. They have suspicion
without real proof. ( I have children with type 1 diabetes & arthritis, so I
am also not untouched by these phenomenons.)I do know one thing for
sure, if we do not immunize our children we will in essence be turning back the
clock to see death occur in children that is easily preventable. How will you
feel when you decide not to immunize and your child is deathly ill or causes the
death of others through your neglect? I am also old enough to remember a
classmate who died of a simple case of chicken pox...this was before we
vaccinated for this disease. The effects were devastating on an entire
I don't buy it, too many people don't seem to understand the
difference between causation and correlation.Example.I
took my child to Lagoon, shortly thereafter he starting displaying signs of
learning disabilities. I also found other people online who took their toddlers
to lagoon and their kids started displaying learning disabilities shortly
thereafter as well. Therefore I conclude that taking your toddler to Lagoon
causes autism. Can you see the faulty logic here?Kids getting
vaccines happens at the same time that children would usually start displaying
signs of autism. That does NOT mean that the vaccines are causing autism. I know
we all want a simple answer to the problem, a simple cause that we can easily
fix, but I'm sorry, it's just not that simple. It's not a
conspiracy, it's not big pharma, it's just a complex issue and
involves many variables.
I knew a guy who got his Tdap vaccine the day before he bought a lottery ticket.
That ticket won him $5000 two weeks later, so my conclusion is that vaccines
create lottery winners.Correlation has never equaled causation and
only one study in the past 50 years ever showed autism causation with vaccines.
That study has never been able to be reproduced with the same results and as the
article states was discredited as fraudulent during the past decade. Autism is
real, but the argument that it comes from vaccines is old, tired and incredibly
damaging to the entire population.
The supposed truth of vaccines causing autism is anecdotal. They have done MANY
studies showing that vaccines do not cause autism. I am very frustrated with the
perpetuation of these unproved facts that cause people not to get their children
vaccinated. I consider it child endangerment. Didn't you hear about the
baby who died here in Utah recently because an unvaccinated child gave her
measles? The baby was too young to be vaccinated. People, wake up and check the
There seems to be no point in saying this, but there IS evidence that autism is
associated with vaccinations, and vaccinations DO cause other problems. In
fact, there are those who have CURED AUTISM in young children. The medical
field denies this, because their ways don't work. People who want MONEY DO
twist the science to make MORE money. Don't believe everything you read.
And it IS a VERY HEALTHY THING to question your doctor and learn for yourself.
progress is made by honest people who ask questions
Tilleysue, where on that website is that information?
I do want to point out though that the one vaccination for young girls, and they
now encourage giving to young boys I can't remember the name hpv virus or
something like that, is for a condition in which there is less than 1% chance of
getting and there is a higher number of those that get this vaccination having
severe or life threatening reactions to the vaccination. So, though I am pro
vaccinations for many conditions; i.e. polio, mumps, measles, percusses, chicken
pox, flu, TB, this hpv virus is one I would not support. It was mentioned in the
article but I'm not canceling to go back and look.
Since we are already so divided as a nation, we should definitely argue about
this as well.
They had recent substantiated scientific research that showed that autism does
in fact occur while inutero. They have not ruled out that some environmental
factors may also contribute, there is still no indication or proof that vaccines
have any contributing factors to autism, which occurs after birth. It is a
spectrum disorder, and while well meaning health conscience people want to
believe all the unsubstantiated claims, they are putting their own children and
others at risk. Speaking as someone who still remembers the ravages of some of
those diseases on children, and who knew people in my life who lived with
conditions brought on from some dieses or died because of them, parents need to
think twice before making the decision 'not' to vaccinate. This is a
fad or trend that potentially can be devastating. I come from a position of
having an autistic grandson, niece and a very ADHD/ADD daughter also a spectrum
disorder. My life is not untouched by this. But we need to be diligent and find
what the real causes are, and potential cures without bringing on more severe
Perhaps the hesitation is due to the condescending attitude displayed by those
in the medical community who refuse to state the situation truthfully: there are
some really bad side effects to vaccines. When people perceive they are being
snowed they tend to disregard the message. Of course, when we are lied to
regularly by politicians, why should the medical community be any different?
Even religious leaders don't qualify their statements as they don't
want the "message to the masses" to be diluted by exceptions to the
rule. As such, most people believe what they hear, but some refuse to buy it. I
was immunized as a child, but our children have not been, in part due to the
aforementioned discredited study and my wife's passion about health food
and healthy living. Our oldest two children were held out of school for two
weeks due to a measles case being reported. Otherwise, they have had fewer
illnesses than than peers, but was it due to the lack of immunizations or the
healthier food choices we made? In the land of the free...are we truly free to
not immunize our children?
What the article did not mention was that many of the people getting these
diseases have already been vaccinated. See immunize.org for starters (a
pro-vaccination site). Sounds like big pharm isn't doing its best to make
sure these are SAFE AND EFFECTIVE.
I suspect that most of the opponents of vaccination aren't old enough to
remember widespread outbreaks of diseases, quarantine signs on houses, or
neighbor's kids dying from illnesses that we now can prevent. They've
never had to worry about their doctor telling them that their child has polio.
They've never seen cities ravaged by smallpox or plague. They've
never seen what seemingly innocuous diseases such as mumps, measles or whooping
cough can do to a child. At 65, I'm just young enough to have had the
fortune to be vaccinated against polio, and I survived mumps without side
effects, but I'm also just old enough to remember children who weren't
Science hasn't found a connection and there's a supposed
"unsubstantiated fear" about vaccines." But we cannot disassociate
ourselves from the fact that parents have had children who've gone from
normal to "autistic" after getting vaccines. We should read the
literature about how ~1/150 kids exhibits behavior issues associated with
autism/aspergers.The benefits of vaccinations is obvious. But it
doesn't detract from the number of parents who's child suffers from
negative reactions to the vaccinations. I personally know some parents that this
happened to. Their child was normal and a few weeks after the vaccinations
wasn't talking as clear and exhibiting learning disabilities no parent
should have to deal with. Autism diagnoses rates are up. Hopefully science will
one day provide an answer to this growing problem.