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Published: Tuesday, April 8 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Michael Matthews
Omaha, NE

What a unique way to put it. I work for the gov't until May every year! That is certainly eye opening.

T. Party
Pleasant Grove, UT

In a democratic republic, we get the tax obligation we vote for. Perhaps we should move Election Day to April.

Springville, UT

Taxes really don't need to go down. That's a false premise. If you want the tax "burden" to go down, then there needs to be investment in infrastructure and research, employment programs should be enhanced, and resources given unquestioned to military and national security need to be reassigned. Under the current President, government employment has gone down. Your simplistic argument is nothing but mindless parroting and you offer absolutely nothing as far as substantive porposals on how to address the issue of tazation. There should be tax reform, but special interests in Washington won't let that happen, and Congress serves their masters (not the American people). Are you willing to take on this windmill?

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

In 1900 there were hardly any paved roads, no highway system (no automobiles), no airports, our military ranked 17th in the world, etc, etc, etc. If we want to go back to Tax Freedom Day in 1900, we will have to give up a lot of things including world prestige.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Measured as a percentage of GDP, U.S. taxes are just about the lowest in the developed world. If we want to live in a modern society, we have to pay for it.

Salt Lake City, Utah

I have an easy solution to this problem. Quit creating economic incentives for business to move off shore. Tax imports heavily like most other countries do. American companies will find that it is not financially beneficial to continue to operate sweatshops in third world countries and they will bring manufacturing jobs back to America. We will increase the number of manufacturing jobs in America and decrease in the need for entitlement programs and an opportunity to lower the national debt. Tax revenue will increase at the local, state and federal level. Win Win for everyone.

Ed Grady
Idaho Falls, ID

Tax obligations on the Middle Class are growing, but since when did conservatives care about the Middle Class?

Provo, UT

Wait what?

So you mean we have to pay for a military which outspends the rest of the world 2-3 times over? We have to pay for those 2 decade long wars in the Middle East? We have to pay for bank bailouts and other handouts to Wall Street? Boy, and here I thought all of that was free!!!

No wonder why other countries don't just give blank checks to their militaries, go to war for bogus reasons, and have strict financing regulation!

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

LOL! The problem is, even with all of the taxes we are paying. We still can't cover what we are spending every year. That is why we have $17,000,000,000,000.00 in debt. That is why we have $90,000,000,000,000.00 in unfunded liabilities. That is why we are screwed as a country and people financially.

You really believe our taxes paid for the past wars? We borrowed money for that. Do you think our taxes cover the roads? We borrowed money for that.

What we really need to do, is STOP BORROWING money. Once we solve that problem, then we can move on to what programs do we cut down, but, still maintain 10-20% of the budget to pay down our debts.

Then and only then will we be financially solvent as a country.

Under our current president we have been downgraded. Under our current president we escalated war. Under the current president our debt increased $7 Trillion.

Bush has blame but Barack hasn't been the savior either.

Boise, ID

This story is only true for the 1/2 that pay taxes, for the other half, they can celebrate every day of the year.

Salt Lake City, UT

There are a lot things going into the deficit and debt stew. Most have been mentioned, except one, that being the decrease in marginal tax rates at the high end for individuals and corporations over the last 30 years. But many here will argue it's not right to tax the wealthy at higher rates. I, as a Marxist theoretician, would answer "it's OK because of the workings of surplus value in the employer-employee relation."

Such insight is inadmissible here, but the principle is operative fully.

Salt Lake City, UT

RE: IDC "This story is only true for the 1/2 that pay taxes, for the other half, they can celebrate every day of the year." Everybody pays some sort of tax, especially the regressive sales tax.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Just a friendly reminder folks --

No one has paid one red CENT toward Bush's $3 Trillion Wars in the Middle East.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The date depends on your tax bracket.

My father in law is in the highest federal tax bracket. He's an antrepreneour (likes starting new businesses, and buying and selling realestate, office buildings, etc). So pays lots of captial gains taxes... and lives in a high taxed state.

He has several busineses he owns and runs and collects a pay check from. He's considered retiring. He frequently asks, "Why work? You are working for the Government more than you are for your family at this point".

He says he only gets to keep ~50% of his paycheck. The Government takes ~50% of the rewards of his labors... and he gets to keep ~50% to support his family. The harder he works... the more the government makes. If he takes a risk and makes a good investment... the government reaps the rewards. He's working for the Government! Why not just retire....

That though crosses his mind when he gets paid (and realizes he only gets to keep ~50% of his earnings).

Kinda makes you want to retire...

Salt Lake City, UT

Re: 2bits "That though crosses his mind when he gets paid (and realizes he only gets to keep ~50% of his earnings)."

Yes, but 50% of what? Also, where does he come up with the 50% figure? The highest marginal rate and the capital gains rate aren't even close to 50%.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I would like to see the "tax freedom day" for all the state and local taxes, fees, licenses, permits and costs of local and state governments.

Then the freedom day for all health care costs. All charity and religious costs, All transportation costs, All utility costs, etc. etc. etc.

Maybe we could find some new candidates for our hate.

Sasha Pachev
Provo, UT

Why can't we give the businesses and individuals an option to actually do the work for the government or directly take care of some need instead of paying taxes? I personally would be much happier to pay my taxes by taking care of some actual visible need - e.g work on a software project, teach a child to read, help some college student pay for school, or take care of a needy family. This way I would not be looking for deductions and be proud of contributing more than my legally required share. With the current method I look for every legal deduction. Why? Because I do not trust that the government will do a good job spending the money. The charitable donation method does not cut it unless we make it a tax credit instead of a deduction. Donating to a charity that helps the government spend less in some way should be a tax credit for each dollar the government saves.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Re "Yes, but 50% of what"...

That's why I kinda roll my eyes when he complains about it. He pays more in taxes quarterly than I make in a year. So I don't feel too sorry for him. But I can understand him. He's not a big Federal Government fan. So it kinda erks him that the people he's not a fan of make as much off his hard work as he does.

I know... kinda selfish to want to keep more of his pay check (even if he doesn't need it).

Money is the way people like him keep score. And it bugs them that if they make a basket... they only get 1 point, when others get 2.


About the ~50% tax...
I said "~"50% because it's "approximatly" 50%.
It's more like 45% (all taxes combined). But it's close enough.

He combines all his taxes in his mind... Federal Taxes + State Taxes, Capital Gains, Social Security, property taxes, Sales tax, etc, etc.

His income usually involves a big sale. Say he sells a $1 Million office building... he gets to keep $500,000, Government gets $500,000... for doing nothing...

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@2 bits: The wealthiest Americans pay an average income tax rate of 16%. Those slightly well off pay a bit more, typically 20-21%. Capital gains taxes top out at 20% and that income is not subject to income or SS tax. If your father-in-law is truly wealthy he probably pays very little in SS taxes due to the income cap. I don't know what state he is in, but there is really no one who pays 50% of their income to the government.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

We have limited the Federal Government to taxing us for 17 duties (they are enumerated in Article I, Section 8). Those 17 duties cost less than 33% of the current Federal Budget. The first step in balancing the Federal Budget is for the Court to do its duty and throw out any legislation that taxes us for anything that is not on that list. If we really want those services, we must also follow the Constitution and delegate those duties to the States or to ourselves.

ObamaCare is not on that list.

Social Security is not on the list.

ObamaPhones are not on that list.

Vacations in Hawaii are not on that list.

Golf is not on that list.

Flying around the country campaigning for programs that Obama wants is not on that list.

If we want to be free from the growing demands from Government, WE must elect ONLY those people who sustain the Constitution. Check the voting records for OUR Congressmen. If any one of them has voted to fund anything that is not authorized in Section 8, that Congressman has violated our trust.

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