Martinich & Stewart – I believe two committed, devout Mormons –
put Mormon activity level as now down to about 30%. Does the reported yearly
tithing intake of Mormonism agree with only 4,524,608 active Mormons?I'm surprised at absence of any new temples. Should I be? – or does
this happen from time to time in the last 20 or 30 years? Is it an aberration?
Does the lack of any new temples being built even hint at saturation?
I'm surprised to learn that the First Presidency has more than three people
There have been several instances where there were more than 2 counselors to the
President of the church concurrent. David O'McKay had 5 when I was a kid
and B.Y. had several too.
Runia and Durrant, almost half a starting five ...
I am so pleased to read that even non-mormons and inactives are listening to
This was a wonderful conference for those who listened to it and would heed the
messages given. It was inspirational and uplifting. It was also a time of
warning and reflection. As for claims that the church has slowed its
growth, that should not concern anyone. There are many examples in the Book of
Mormon where the church grew quickly or decreased in growth due to a number of
factors: war, pride, riches, persecution, etc. No matter what the current trend
is (its still growing) the end result will eventually be that it fill the whole
Some of these comments are down-right laughable. When did over 280,000 converts
become a "stand still?" The new members of the "presidency" are
members of the Quorum of the Seventy presidency (not 1st Pres.) which has had
more than 3 for as long as I remember. I don't see the lack of new temples
announced as a sign of anything other than giving a chance for those under
construction to be completed first.
Seriously, Little Red Corvette, you listened to the statistical report? I
don't, but hey, thanks for confirming that the Church is relevant.
Red Corvette, not sure what statistic you are looking at, but membership growth
has stayed close to 300,000 per year for several years. The membership of
15,082,028 as announced this afternoon, is an increase of 299,555 over 2012. The
increase of the previous year was 371,127. The year before that (stats for 2011)
it was 309,879. The year before that was 306,613. And so on. I have recorded it
in a notebook each year.Temple building has gone at a rapid rate for
several years. Many new ones have already been announced and in some stage of
development or building. By the time these are all complete, there will be about
170 temples. When the need arises, and appropriate locations are found, there
will be more.And David H., the First Presidency still has just 3
people. There were many changes in other organizations, such as the Sunday
School Presidency, and various quorums of Seventy. The 12 Apostles are not
called as Counselors formally, but they all meet together in council meetings in
the temple. There have been instances when more counselors were needed, often
due to health issues with the prophet. If the need arises, the Lord will call
Shelama, there are several Temples still under construction. Paris, France,
Lisbon, Portugal and Rome, Italy are three here in Europe alone. The fact that
there are no new ones announced this Conference does not speak of saturation.
It merely states that we have become too blaise about the number of Temples
announced, and take it for granted that there will be more each Conference.
There are other programmes also clamouring for extra finance, and so the cloth
has to be cut accordingly.We know that it has been prophesied that
even the elect will be deceived, and so should not be shocked that folks fall
away. That does not point to a conclusion that the Church is failing, more that
Christianity in general is falling foul of an increasing trend of a world that
is losing sight of God.
I read the article again but didn't understand where David H comes up with
more than 3 in the First Presidency? Since President McKay, there hasn't
been more than 3 although as President McKay did, more than 3 is the
President's choice. David, please clarify if possible.
There are only 3 members of the First Presidency currently --- any changes made
this conference were to the 7 Presidents of the Seventy (which always has 7
members).There are still quite a few temples under construction. I
suspect they'll finish those, or most of them before announcing any more.
As was announced, there are currently 142 operating temples, and when the rest
are completed that are now under construction, it will bring the total up to
around 170.I think church growth is doing fine -- certainly better
than was ever predicted prior to the Civil War.
Pres. Monson explained the reason for not announcing new temples very
succinctly. I am not the best listener but when you hear that "when all
previously announced and under construction temples are completed" (I may
not have that quoted exactly, sorry) there will be 170 temples. That means that
there are 28 temples under construction. I also heard said that when lands are
determined and procured will more temples be announced. I agree that despite the
'decrease' in growth, the Church is quickly going to fill the Earth. I
think all the comments on internet and social media use will bear that out. Also
the huge number of missionaries in the world will also bear fruit. Christ is on
track, whether it looks like it or not. What a wonderful conference this is! I
can't wait to hear the second session I missed because I was out picking up
a stranded friend whose truck broke down. We are so blessed in these latter
days! I would have had to wait two months not but a couple of decades ago.
Question, please. Does anyone know if the membership numbers include those who
have left the church in the last year? It would be interesting to see number of
convert baptisms compared to number of those who asked that their names be
removed from the records.
I am not sure why some are commenting that the growth of the Church has slowed.
In 2013, there were 45 new stakes created. That nearly equates to one per week.
There were 931 new wards created which equates to 18 new wards per week. Total
membership grew just under 300,000 (299,555). New converts grew 10,615 over a
year ago at 282,945. Child of record baptisms did reduce by 6,787 which says
that fewer children were baptized. There are now 83,035 full-time missionaries
representing growth of 24,045 over the number a year ago. Sounds to me like the
church continues to grow as it provides answers to questions of the soul that so
many are looking.
There are many religions that love to have 290,000 increase in membership, I
find interesting how the nay Sayers love to find things to point to as the down
fall of this church. Those of us who can separate emotion and logic understand
the challenges the current changes in society is going through and how it
effects the church. Challenges in retention yes, slowed growth yes, but this is
a work that never be stayed from it's course.
Gordon B. Hinckley was 3rd Counselor to President Kimball in 1981 until N. Eldon
Tanner died in 1982. David O. Mckay had 4 Counselors in 1965 which grew to 5 in
1968. Hugh B. Brown was a 3rd Counselor a short time in 1961 until J. Reuben
Clark died. Joseph F. Smith had a First Counselor in John Winder from 1901 to
1910 who was not an apostle. Charles W Nibley was Second Counselor, also not an
apostle, from 1925 to 1933. So there are several exceptions to what some would
call 'normal' in First Presidencies. But one thing remains constant;
they are all called of God. What a wonderful conference.
Understanding what Satan is will help end fear of the unknown. Dear Elder
Holland: I was out front of LDS Conference Center today. I told the people this
is the true church of God. But we need to understand Satan's role in our
behavior. We are being silent about things that are wrong. Please get LDS
Leadership to reply to my question. I have requested LDS Leadership so
determine if Satan is instinctual behavior mechanism. So far no statement
by email, mail or Church news has come forth. I hope the answer will come this
conference. It is a simple question is the revelation that Satan is a creation
of God true on not.The Lord says; to prepare you for my coming, I
reveal one of my mysteries. Satan is my creation so you can have life. Instinct program is Satan. Share this with the world now.I come
soon. given through his Holy Spirit who called me as a witness. by
Elder Jonathan L. Peterson
What seems to be slowing down is children being baptized, seems like those
numbers were always more then convert baptisms. Less babies being born in the
When you have a church that grows more members than the liberals grow jobs in
the USA........I can see why you Libs would think the church is stagnant .
My wife and I truly enjoyed General Conference, as well as the General
Priesthood Meeting, this weekend. With the number of temples having been built
and on line today announced at 142, there is a temple within 200 miles of every
member of the Church. This is progress. The Church is alive and well and will
be until the Savior returns to earth in all of his glory.If I were
not already a member of the Church, and listened to just one of conference
sessions, I would be calling the local ward, which is in the yellow pages in
America, or determine where the closest ward building or state house is located
and ask someone how I can find our more about the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints (Mormons).If other churches truly believe they are
right in their dogma, and have more than 500,000,000 members of their respective
faiths, they would not be concerned about a small church with 15,000,000
members. Why do you think that is? I'd find out. But, that's me. I
did so 58 years ago, and have never regretted it. May Father in Heaven bless
Even if the growth RATE has dropped slightly, it is still GROWTH and not
decline. Clearly the addition of so many more new leaders is indicative of the
need to provide training to all the new members around the world so that they
can continue their growth in the gospel and continue the work of the Lord.
I am so glad to hear about the new membership numbers. May we and other
Christians form an unbreakable spiritual legion, as our disciplined ranks stand
firm against the horde of the ungodly who would scatter us from the field of
battle in our most desperate hour.May we hold firm and not give any ground to
the enemy ,until our Commander who is Christ shall appear and we flock to His
standard, while He conquers the forces of Satan under His feet,and the victory
In response to DonO's question, it seems that the number of new wards and
stakes may be the best way to measure church growth, since it is more likely to
account for both the new members joining the church and those leaving it. To
create a new ward, the church needs a certain number of active members,
regardless of its total members. So, for instance, let's say a new ward
requires 200 active members. If, as Gardner says, the church added 931 new wards
then it had roughly 186,000 more members come into the church last year than
left the church (931 X 200).