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Published: Sunday, April 6 2014 9:25 p.m. MDT

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george of the jungle
goshen, UT

Wages hasn't gone up much since the 70's. Utilities, food, gas and taxes sure gone crazy.

BYR
West Bountiful, UT

It is calling living within your means.

worf
Mcallen, TX

There was a time when many women didn't work, and the men were the bread winner.

Now women have left the home and taken many of the jobs men used to have.

With television and theaters, a war on men has begun, and are made to look crazy. No more Ward Cleavers.

Why are families stuck in poverty? IMO, it's the destruction of men as the head of the home.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

100 years ago, the vast majority of men didn't work outside of the home either - in an agrarian society. It was the family farm. That world is largely gone. I would hardly consider what the women of the day did as not working, any more than what the men did as not working. That whole vision of women not working is a huge myth.

That said, the premise of the opinion piece completely misses the point. The problem with pay equality has never been at the low end. minimum wage is minimum wage. Everyone is in the same condition there. Where the gap was greatest was on the other end of the pay scare - in professional jobs and management. There the pay imbalance has been most dramatic.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

Women are graduating college at a higher rate than men, in both degrees and advanced degrees. It is much harder for men to get a job, get into school etc. When they're labeled as the enemy and oppressor of women. Can you name any boy from birth to age 18 that has single handily oppressed women? I'm not sure why boys are treated like dirt, when the talk is about being "equal". Which we all know "equal" means stripping mean of every means to provide for themselves, and re-distribute everything to women.

But gender warefare, race warfare and class warefare has been going on for a long time. Rather than having a discussion on how to make life more equitable for all, it's how do you destroy one group of people and take everything they have. Or the mentality "it's our turn now" and punish people that had nothing to do with issues of years ago.

We need to learn to let go of issues. If Israel and Palestine could let go of an argument that started thousands of years ago, they would be better off.

Dr. Thom
Long Beach, CA

Its mostly about the economy and being able to earn a living wage on a single income. Sure you have to live within your means but eventually you can only cut back so far or work so hard. With the new ACA ruling on college adjunct hours, a colleagues salary has been cut from $80,000 to $20,000 since teaching more than one class with prep-time means working 30+ hours a week according to the IRS, so in an effort to avoid paying benefits, colleges and universities are scaling back to one class per adjunct. She is trying to teach at multiple institutions, but there are just so many hours in a day.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

The good old days are gone, and all we've got is to pine for their return.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

@worf: "Why are families stuck in poverty? IMO, it's the destruction of men as the head of the home."
Maybe. I think that it is the feminization of poverty. If a woman has an education she will make more money relative to men than in 1970. That makes sense. No surprise.

But since 1970, the number of out of wedlock births has gone up (the aftermath of the 60's). Out of wedlock births is a ticket into poverty. Poor women can't go to college because they have babies. The father (not the husband) is gone. I saw someone thing on PBS years ago and there was this man and he had fathered six children with six different women. He was kissing one of them in the hospital. She had just had his baby and now she was going to drop out of nursing school to care for the child. (He wasn't going to be around.)

I applaud the Deseret News for raising this issue and this is why I support laws which strengthen the institution of marriage. Marriage between a man and a woman is a liberal value.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

"The good old days weren't always good..." - Billy Joel

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

CHS 85,
maybe not, but they were better than today

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Health care. Maternity leave. Minimum wage. Education. Birth control. We're coming up way short in all these areas, and more. Women's salaries', even if they are seeing modest growth, aren't going to fix it. Oh, and women can work if they want. It's fine.

Jack of trades
SLC, UT

Cost of living is slamming this generation. I'll put it in perspective for you. In 1984 my Dad made 50,000 a year and the average house cost 76,214. Today I work the same job and make 60,000 a year while the average house is 369,677.

We live in Canada.

$76,214 - average home 1984
$154,587 - What it should be today with inflation
$369,677 - The actual cost of the average home in 2014

Whether it's cars, tuition, rent or anything, prices have doubled, tripled, and more while the average family income is nearly the same.

There is your answer in a nutshell. This generation is struggling for a reason.

nicholdraper
West Jordan, UT

Let's see, male unemployment has doubled since 2008. So the phony wage inequality which measures all mens incomes against all women's incomes is more equal. So at the low end of the scale, single mothers are still broke. Gee that's a surprise. Can you really name a company that has non-skilled or non-commision jobs that pays men more than they pay women? Those companies do not exist. If they did there are thousands of lawyers ready to cash in.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Why are families stuck in poverty?:

* war on fathers-men
* out of wedlock births
* economy--inflation--free trade agreements
* weak educational system with too much focus on testing rather then teaching

Many reasons!

RBB
Sandy, UT

The lack of responsible behavior is at the core of poverty. (Yes, there are situations where disability or unemployment are the cause - but they are not the majority. Years ago I worked in an urban center and it was rare to find an intact family, or even a family where all of the kids were from the same father.) It used to be that you were a cad if you got a girl pregnant and did not marry her. In some communities it is now bragging rights. Rather than taxing everyone to cover all of the welfare benefits, how about the father pays for the child or does some jail time. The government spends 17,000 per year per person in poverty for anti poverty programs. Imagine if that money when to pay for education instead. Keep your pants zipped or be prepared to pay for your kids.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Because men's salaries have gone down.

Meanwhile --
The Rich are getting richer,
the Middle and poor are getting poorer.
Regardless of gender.

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