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Published: Wednesday, April 2 2014 11:46 p.m. MDT

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Swartzy
Arlington, TX

I guess they are all inclusive as long as you are part of them. If you think different you are not included. It seems to go that way for many liberal groups. Have a mind of your own,m and you are an outcast. so much for inclusivity I might have to use Opera for a while just to protest

Kate Hutch
Kenmore, WA

Seems to go that way for LIBERAL groups, Swartzy? That comment belongs in the humor column.

LovelyDeseret
Gilbert, AZ

It goes to show that CEO's and corporations are amoral, even if they personally have morals and standards.

Bob K
portland, OR

Swartzy
Arlington, TX
"I guess they are all inclusive as long as you are part of them. If you think different you are not included. It seems to go that way for many liberal groups. Have a mind of your own,m and you are an outcast."

Let's see it from the employees' and customers' points of view:
This catholic man, graduate of a Jesuit college, went along with his church's authorship of Prop 8 (and a bishop's calling in the mormons to help) and refuses to say it was wrong, 5 years later. He is working in a field, and in a metropolitan area, in which opposition to marriage equality is considered old fashioned bigotry.

Would YOU be happy to do business with, or buy from, someone who contributed to the campaign to remove the lds church's tax exemption, or someone who gave money to a cause that stated that mormons should not have equal rights?

By saying he is "sorry if it hurt people", he fails to realize that Gay people hear it as "I had to stab you, sorry if you bled"

He is in a liberal part of CA, not in Texas

ClarkHippo
Tooele, UT

Why this is only coming to light now? Weren't all $1000+ contributors already targeted?

Are we soon going to read stories about people who donated money to political causes 20 or 30 years ago?

Looks like the left is desperate to remind people that freedom of speech is not only a privileged given to those whom they, and they alone, regard as worthy of it.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Mozilla has the right to support the causes that they wish.

People have a right to agree, disagree, boycott or picket.
That is the American way. It is not inclusive or exclusive. And it works both ways.

What's the big deal?

Dr. Thom
Long Beach, CA

So if he donated $1,000 to groups opposed to Prop 8 he would be a hero? Hey here is a thought, people donate to causes they believe in and if they support or oppose something and its legal to do so, what business is it of anyone else. If you don't like their political giving, just vote with your dollars and buy a competing product. I am not a big fan of liberals in the media or Hollywood, so I don't buy their books, products, songs or watch their movies.

Many people do, I don't. Its a semi-free country people!

Stormwalker
Cleveland , OH

Thinking different is one thing. Actions, however, have consequences. In this case we are talking public actions taken in support of a position that is at odds with the official policies of the company.

Recast those actions for a minute. Suppose, during the last election, a company in Utah known for hiring Mormons had a CEO who made cash contributions to one of the well-known anti-Mormon groups to help attack Romney's religion. Not a political contribution to Obama, but a donation to fund disinformation.

How would you feel buying that company's services? Working for that company? Would you believe that LDS employees would really be treated with fairness? Would you encourage people to use another company, or would you support the CEO because "religious freedom"?

This is about choices. I'm not required to use Firefox, and this story inspired me to make a choice and try some alternate browsers. Meanwhile, the Mozilla board will hopefully consider how well the CEO represents their company as a workplace that claims to be diverse and affirming.

Willem
Los Angeles, CA

Support by our church and this CEO delayed 10000s of Californians the choice of getting married but in the end equality won and homophobia lost once again.

Vanceone
Provo, UT

Just remember: liberals swore up and down that gay marriage wouldn't harm anyone. That the rest of us had nothing to fear. That all that would happen is some people would finally get to be happy. That no one else's life would be negatively impacted.

Now? If you hold views contrary to their belief, they will attack, boycott, and do their level best to get you fired, drag your name through the mud, and in general try to exert their will against you.

So much for "Gay marriage cannot possibly harm anyone!" Now, it's "Convert or we will punish you to the best of our abilities." Note--this is their right, but boy, they cannot claim that same sex marriage is harmless. Now, you conform or risk your job.

Also note that the gays are trying to establish the position that a devout Mormon, Catholic, or other Christian is not eligible for any job that involves contact with other people. This sure as heck is harmful to the rest of us.

samhill
Salt Lake City, UT

Well, good for Brendan Eich for exercising his free speech rights and good for Mozilla for hiring and, so far, supporting him in doing so.

The hateful, spiteful and completely hypocritical nature of those who wish to suppress the same freedoms of thought and expression that they simultaneously trumpet for themselves induces revulsion in me.

Mr. Eich has done **nothing** that deserves criticism and in continuing to fight for his 1st Amendment rights is helping not only himself but every other citizen.

I say again, good on him.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@Clarkhippo
"Looks like the left is desperate to remind people that freedom of speech is not only a privileged given to those whom they, and they alone, regard as worthy of it."

Protests and boycotts are part of freedom of speech.

@Dr. Thom
"So if he donated $1,000 to groups opposed to Prop 8 he would be a hero?"

That million moms group or whatever it was that tried to boycott JC Penney after they hired Ellen DeGeneres as a spokesperson would probably boycott instead.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Odd how for so long the gays were bullied, called names, even killed.
Now some gay folks are pushing back and suddenly the bully is being persecuted treated wrongly, and I'm suppose to feel pity for them.

Choices have actions, you've been telling the gay community that for years, now it's a 2 edge sword.

and none of this "harm" come from gay marriage, it comes from bigotry being recognized instead of admired.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

He can give money to and support anything he wishes. The fact that anyone even cares about this issue shows the blatant inability of the homosexual movement to like or say anything nice about those who might disagree with them.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

Internet Explorer by Microsoft: Big, evil corporation, plus they hate Apple.
Chrome by Google: Big, evil corporation, plus they hate Apple.
Firefox by Mozilla: Awesome, free, not as big and evil, but the CEO hates gay marriage.

Now that's a real quandary. How's a liberal supposed to surf the internet with a good conscience any more?

ClarkHippo
Tooele, UT

@Vanceone

Not only that, if the left can successfully silence those who oppose same-sex marriage, why would they stop there?

@Schnee

You said - "Protests and boycotts are part of freedom of speech."

Does that include Tea Party protestors or anti-abortion protestors? Does this include NRA members?

@Happy Valley Heretic

You said - "and none of this "harm" come from gay marriage, it comes from bigotry being recognized instead of admired."

In other words, if a certain church is vandalized or a certain individual loses their livelihood or another person's child is threatened at school, these people only have themselves to blame.

Vanceone
Provo, UT

It's actually a good thing, this story. It clears the fog that the gay supporters are trying to blow.

They have every right to boycott, campaign, etc. But, this story shows the true colors, and the true desires of the gay activists: To force everyone to agree with them.

Put bluntly, either you wholeheartedly support gay activism, and the ideas that gay activity is moral, acceptable, and preferred--or you are going to pay. They won't let you stay on the sidelines: as Eich shows, either you are for or against them, and if you are against them then you must fight to keep YOUR rights--because the activists will try to make you lose your job, and any other "state supported" activity.

So you are either for unadulterated, full throated support for whatever they want... or you have to be against it and fight back, just to keep what you have.

and the gay activists want it that way. They want EVERYONE on their side, actively, or they will try to destroy you. So make a choice! Choose homosexuality, or choose to fight it. Because they will make you choose.

Oh, please!
Saint George, UT

I will continue to use Firefox and refuse to shop at JC Penney.

I will continue to state that homosexuality hurts society because it violates the laws of nature and the laws of God.

Those are my beliefs and I have the right to share them along side those who disagree with me.

Previously, on other similar articles, I have shared my views but the DNews "filter police" continually refuse to allow my comments to be published. Why is that?

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

@Willem
"Support by our church and this CEO delayed 10000s of Californians the choice of getting married but in the end equality won and homophobia lost once again."

In the vast majority cases "homophobia" used to condemn people who have religious cultural objections to homosexual behavior rather than to bigotry or prejudice. The term has become an epithet. It is the height of cultural chauvinism to conclude that someone is wroing with someone because of their religion.

In recent posts, many people here were falling all over themselves condemning bakeries or wedding photographers who won't cater to a gay wedding saying that it was discrimination. The logic is that a gay marriage is a result or a characteristic of being gay. Well, contributing to political actions to maintain traditional marriage is a characteristic of certain religions and cultures.

By that logic therefore, the disagreement against the CEO is not because he supported Prop 8, but because of his religion. That is religious discrimination. Because GoCupid is a commercial enterprise and have entered into the public domain, they should be fined and sued for taking the position that they have taken.

slcdenizen
t-ville, UT

Traditionalists, food for thought: Most racists don't acknowledge their racism. Most abusers don't recognize their abusive behavior. Rather than debate the accusation of bigotry, why not do some self-analysis.

What is bigotry? Is the term dependant on recognition from both parties of the bigot equation? A concerted effort is being put into both maintaining bigoted views and trying to shed the justified criticism of those views. Tolerance does not encompass intolerance, hence the perceived dichotomy of groups dedicated to open expression reviling against the "traditional marriage" position.

It's not a challenging concept to accept other humans for their decisions while considering those decisions abhorrent or sinful. The issue lies with applying our laws in such a way that prevents equal access. This whole debate has become stale and uninteresting and the longer it continues, the more honest and open-minded people will be forced to choose a side of the argument and quite frankly, it does not bode well for the bigot side.

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