If knocking down straw men arguments and confirming your own beliefs &
prejudices is want you want (and apparently many do given the ratings of certain
media outlets) then by all means see this movie - and this assessment should be
obvious given the article quote by Kevin Sorbo If instead you want
to see the best arguments made by both sides, there are some excellent debates
available via podcast (any with Sam Harris or Christopher Hitchens representing
the atheist position are usually quite good). Also, The God Debates
by John Shook is about as unbiased a presentation as I’ve seen in book
I saw the movie on Monday. I liked it. Plan on seeing it again to catch some
of the more subtle details. It does promote the Contemporary Christian Music
culture somewhat at the end of the movie.Good movie for those
who lost their faith.
I watched the trailers for this film, seems pretty trite and meaningless. A
college freshman is challenged by a professor to defend his belief in god.
Pretty weak plot, but suitable for the weak acting therein. I'm glad they
brought Phil Robertson's son in for a quick shot, that's the biggest
star in this weak show. No one can prove that god doesn't
exist, just as no one can prove the antithesis, that god does exist. This same
logical argument can be applied to Zeus, Thor, Ares, dragons, vampires, and
unicorns. Kevin Sorbo isn't going to convince anyone, he just looks like a
It was commented that no one can prove or disprove God's existence. This is
not entirely accurate. Every person can gain a testimony (prove) for him or
herself that God exists, but no one can prove that God does not exist.
Laurel, a testimony without evidence is not prove, it is a personal believe.
Testimonies and personal believes often conflict, i.e. Mormons vs Muslims .
SkepticA testimony is more than a personal belief. Anyone who has
one understands what that means. Anybody can have a testimony that God exist, no
matter what doctrine one follows or even if none is followed.
If I ever got into a debate about the existance of God, (or to be more succinct,
an intelligent designer) I'd end the debate by asking one question of the
skeptics. Where did all the matter that makes up the universe come from? Until
that question can be answered, no further discussion is necessary. The fact of
the existance of matter requires creation. Otherwise the whole universe would
exist as total nothingness. Not one particle. And of course I
won't mention the existance of everything else within that matter that
creates the universe. The four forces, like gravity, the strong and weak
forces, ect. The different elements that allow biological life. All the
miracles that come together and work in harmony to allow such. I mean, what if
all the matter in the universe were just one element. Hydrogen for instance.
We have the entire recipe for both the animate and inanimate. No, I won't
even mention all that.
@laural – “A testimony is more than a personal belief.”I’ve always been curious about this and understand your point from
a certain perspective (e.g., I have a “testimony” that I love my
wife but have no idea how to prove that in a scientifically verifiable
manner).Still I find this idea deeply troubling regarding the
existence of God. It seems to me that a human being discovering the existing of
a supreme being would be the most earth shaking event of that person’s
life. I would think anyone who has had such an experience would be so utterly
convinced that doubt would be non-existent… forever.So then
why if this is true do people ever lose their faith or even while being
faithful, need to have their testimony “strengthened?”Even on my worst days I still know the sky is blue. If your testimony is
providing you the knowledge you claim, I would think your conviction would be
like my “sky is blue” times about a million. But why
in practice does that not seem to be so?
SCfan, Think about it and take one step back. Where did god come from to
create all the matter you speak of. It is a case of which came first the
chicken or the egg. In Mormonism the believe is that the egg came first.
@laural: "A testimony is more than a personal belief."A
testimony, in the religious sense, is the very essence of "personal
belief." It comes from personal feelings - the burning in the bosom or
getting tearful while telling about some even in your life or some other
physical sensation. If a testimony was evidence of some
unseen-yet-real experience, then testimony would lead to the same place. Yet, as
it is, testimony leads to the acceptance or rejection of Mormonism, to ecstatic
experiences in Pentecostals, visions of Mary for Catholics, the touch of the God
and Goddess for Pagans, absolute belief in Allah-and-Mohammed-as-his-Prophet for
Muslims, communication with Ascended Masters for certain New Age groups, and
communication with the dead for Spiritualists. . A testimony is a
personal belief that a subjective feeling has a divine meaning and connects a
person to something transcendent. It is subjective and is hardly evidence.
@Stormwalker "A testimony is a personal belief that a subjective feeling had
a divine meaning". I used to think that what it is, and I suspect that is
how most people define it. But a true testimony is more than that. @TylerD, obtaining AV true