Fascinating to see the responses to this article.Mr. Samuelson
writes a thoughtful piece on the intrinsic condition of our economy and then
offers a number of long term macro explanations for the condition. Next a number of posters take Mr. Samuelson's comments and add their own
experience and or analysis. Then out of nowhere come the ideologues
who completely ignore the article, it's information, and theme and give us
our daily dose of it's all Obama's fault. It has to be
Obama's fault that the labor force has declined. Those darn boomers who
are now retiring, if just Obama weren't President....huh? Clearly Obama is at fault for the '07 recession and it's impact on
our psychic. The decline in innovation since the 70's hey
blame Obama.The clash in cultures of growth and personal security
that has raged since the 70's..Obama's fault. This is why
America can't solve it's problems. We can't have an intelligent
We are 16 trillion in debt. It is going to have to be paid off sooner or later.
Preferably sooner. Selling future generation into slavery is not moral. As
Lloyd Benson, Democratic VP candidate for president with Michael Dukakis in 1988
said, "If you let me write 200 billion $ in hot checks a year, I could
create the image of prosperity."
@The Real Maverick - because most of those counties don't have economies
that are largely based off of low wage jobs. If you look at our unemployment
numbers, those who are chronically under employed here are those from the trades
and low wage jobs. The recession didn't hit all workers alike. If you
are a so called "knowledge worker", the unemployment rates barely budged
over the last 6 years.The number of people needed to manage a farm
has gone way down. The number of people needed to build a house of the last 100
years has gone way down. The number of people needed to manage a warehouse has
gone way down. Secretarial jobs are disappearing. Customer service and Call
centers are being automated. The job of long shore man is all but gone.It surprises me you can't see the structural changes happening in
the job markets.
Who said companies are not investing... and are just sitting on piles of cash.
What crazy source did that come from... the same one that told everyone to buy
gold because the dollar was going to crash?Companies are not sitting
on piles of cash. They are investing it. Just not in people, or at least low
value workers. I wish I knew where some of these crazy "facts" come
from. The company I work for is a little over 30 years old. We
have never posted a loss. We have never failed to show a profit. We have never
failed to grow year over year. Regardless of the administration, or where
people thought the president was born. Poorly run companies run poorly.
Companies with solid leadership earn money regardless of who is president or the
party they belong to.If your company isn't doing well....
don't look to Washington.... look a lot closer to home.
LDS Liberal100 trillion dollars is gone? As you put it. If that
were true, it is a good thing that there is not 100 trillion dollars floating
around our economy. Inflation would be about 200%. Big money entities are
obviously putting a lot of money in the stock market, as well as having a rainy
day fund. The threat of inflation is dangerous to cash holdings, no doubt. If
overseas bank accounts are the holding place for that 100 trillion, you can bet
that when the time comes, the money will be back in the USA. Still the most
valuable place to invest in. So it's not gone for good, only for now,
until we get Romney type American business understanding in the White House
instead of this quasi-socialist thinking that Obama has brought from his days
being mentored by real socialists. And, by the way, if it is 100 trillion, then
what happened to the 7 trillion dollars Obama has run up? Is that overseas now
too? Because it sure isn't here.
If we are in the middle of another industrial revolution then why isn't
Australia, New Zealand, Germany, Canada, France, Brazil, Sweden, Finland, etc
all experiencing similar issues ( high unemployment due to automation,
technology, etc)?I don't buy the whole technology excuse.The truth is, the rich are waging a war on the middle and lower classes.
Guess who's winning?
LDS Liberal,I am a small business owner and I can assure you that I
am not investing because I cannot anticipate the next antagonistic move against
business that Obama will do. He has created enough instability, animosity,
division, and poor business/economic environment that many small businesses are
hurting. I have heard that small business is the backbone of the American
economy, providing a much larger portion of employment than other economic
sectors. It is the small businesses that are hurting. This translates into
slower growth, slower manufacturing orders, weaker employments numbers, slower
wage increases, slower upward mobility of the classes, more debt among American
families as they attempt to afford higher education, and cost of living
expenses.I would agree that Obama is hurting our economy, not
We are in the midst of the next great economic revolution, and like all
revolutions before it the result is a disruption of the current economic state.
Of course the economy will not be what it was before, but we have known that
since the 70's. The long dying of the rust belt is just one example of how
things have been changing in this country.Does that mean that the
patient is doomed? No, it just means that the future will look different. Some
jobs have disappeared forever, but new jobs will appear in their place. The
training and skills that applied to the old jobs are gone; prepare for the
bright new future if you dare. Carpe Diem.
Yes, this is like during the industrial revolution in Britain where the question
on everyone's lips was "where do all of the poor people come from?"
The answers were bizarre and funny.As usual the missing dimension
is Marx. Marx's model predicts an decline in the demand for labor as
capitalism's efficiency increases. This is happening. The old "full
employment" line was 4.5% - it's now being established at 6.5%. Samuelson (I hope he reads these comments, but doubtful) should take a
course in Marxian economics (as should the Deseret News). He would find whole
new fields to explore.
LDS kidding yourself Clearly numbers are not your forte. Your
numbers bear no resemblance to fact. I think you produced them from your
emotions, not a real source. No wonder you live paycheck to
paycheck.To everyone else - With the current inflation,
companies that understand money certainly aren't sitting on excessive
amounts of cash watching its value melt away. If they are dumb enough to do
that, they wouldn't be rich. What they are doing is creating a reasonable
rainy day fund against the next market drop, which is a wise thing to do.
happy2bhereclearfield, UTLDS LiberalI honestly believe
that the reason American business is holding its stash of money and not
investing is because they see this current administration as an "enemy"
to business. Not business friendly. ======== And I
honestly believe you are fooling yourself.Our economy is one of
Usury.I have $5, I spend it on a hamburger, That $5 is
used to buy bread, meat, and pay another employee, The Farmer, the
Rancher, and that employee then buy their own things, and our economy
grows.If I took that $5 out of the country - out or usury - The burger flipper, the fammer, the rancher, and later on even myelf are
un-employed.THAT'S how econmy function.The uber
wealthy have taken $100 Trillion OUT of the U.S. economy, and stashed it
away for themselves in Swiss and Caymen Island bank accounts.While
the rest of us 99% are living hand-to-mouth, paycheck-to-paycheck.$100 TRILLION dollars, gone.Not is circulation, Not is Usury.BTW -- your hero -- Mitt Romney is one of them.That's
why our economy is failing.
LDS LiberalI honestly believe that the reason American business is
holding its stash of money and not investing is because they see this current
administration as an "enemy" to business. Not business friendly. A
president who first and formost was seen as business friendly would likely
unleash the capital reserves and there would be investment, growth, and many
more jobs coming online. This is where I think Romney would have had a profound
impact unleshing the potential that is currently stifled. And, as I believe you
were pointing out, the 1% are getting very wealthy off of the stock market.
Ironic for that to be happening during Obama, when he was supposedly the
"one" for the little guy. The 2014 and 2016 elections can't come
soon enough. We need some change after what will be 8 years of this.
damage? What damage? We are headed into the 5th summer of recovery ...remember?
At least that's what Barack and Joe tell us. Guess it's true if those
characters say it. Right? If you like your insurance you can keep your
insurance....remember that whopper of a lie? Seems like reality is finally
catching up to all the propoganda from the White House.
Has the U.S. economy suffered permanent damage?-----GDP is up,
Profits are UP, Productivity is UP....Wages are DOWN or
stagnant, Employment is still DOWN, Middle and Lower Classes are
DOWN.The Rich are getting expotentionally Richer, The 99% of
the rest of us are getting Poorer.Something needs to be done.And I don't see Businesses or the Rich willing or doing anything on the
own to make it different.Time for either the Government to do
something, orThe 99% of the PEOPLE to do something about it.Bastille Day anyone?
UtahBlueDevilAnd the irony of what you point out is that there are
many people in America who really don't have the skill to do more than the
old labor type jobs that have now become automated. Until Americans regain the
importance of "real" education, and skill training, we will continue to
have a very expensive class of unemployed citizens that will drain a lot of the
revenue for the forseeable future. Hopefully there will be enough career type
job opportunities left in America to supply the needs of over 300 million
people. If we get TOO automated, then it may even be hard for well educated
people to find a place. Brave new world.
Yes.... the economy has "changed" in dramatic ways. In the years
leading up to the great recession, lots of ineffeciency was tolerated within the
economy, but once the excess bubble burst, those inefficiencies are not
returning like they once did. Technology and automation is or has replaced many
of the low value jobs. The number of clerical administrators has
dropped off dramatically - we just recently lost ours at work, scarily with
little to no impact. Our own travel department is now largely automated. We
now have completely paperless expense reports, and auditing of these is
completely automated. The list goes on and on.Even within the
trades, automation has impacted the crew sizes in construction. In my industry,
oil rigs penetrate at nearly double the rate of just 20 years ago, with crews a
fraction the size in the past. Field automation has reduced the number of
service calls to plats. These jobs are just not coming back - ever
- under any administration. We are in the second industrial revolution, and
things have just started changing.... hold on... its going to be a ride.