RFLASH,It's not up to somebody else to define what is
"religious"... to you. That's up to you.And it
doesn't have to be spiritual. Haven't you heard of people who's
car, or their job, or their money... has become their "God"?Not all gay people are "religious", but some are the most religious
people I know. So don't let anybody tell you that you can't be
religious if you are gay.That doesn't mean all Mormons will
understand you (and it's not just Mormons BTW). But what's religious
to you... shouldn't matter what other people think, or how they define it.
Sorry you had a bad experience. Remember... Mormons are just
people. They have just as many weaknesses as any other person. Some of them
suffer from being judgmental. But it's not restricted only to Mormons.
That's just the community you grew up in.If you decide to give
religion another try... don't look to others to "decide what is
religious". I think you know what it is.
This is something that crosses my mind often. Who decides what is religious? Who
decides what is spiritual? I am gay. I grew up Mormon and was active. I went on
a mission. I did have a good experience growing up Mormon. I learned to feel a
deep love for God and for others. was able to share my beliefs with many and I
believe that I know what it is to feel something spiritual.A rumor of my
being gay destroyed so much! people believed so much that was never true and it
was clear that I was no longer welcome. To most Mormons, I stopped believing in
God. If I bring up anything spiritual or anything about God, I get silence in
return. When talking about same sex marriage, people refer to religious freedom
and do not include gay people, as if we have nothing to do with God or religion!
Seriously, I do have deep beliefs about God. I had to change my view on being
gay. That took a very long time! Sincerity is very important and love! You may
be surprised how spiritual we can be! Mormons, read the 11th article of faith.
@ Mister J"However, Greek Myths are pretty entertaining."Ha! Agreed!
What?I don't get the letter writer's point. Can somebody
Noah was completely brilliant. Best movie I've seen in five years, and I
see A LOT of movies. Darren Aronofsky's masterpiece. Does it slavishly
follow the Bible text? No. It does something much much better. It honors the
Bible by taking the story seriously.
re: Tyler D"Mr. Gerson wants us to believe that evangelicals are
deeply nuanced and possess a profound ability..."Subtle is the
last word I'd use to describe an evangelical christian.re:
Karen R."The truth is so much more fascinating and inspiring
than the myths created by humans."I agree. However, Greek Myths
are pretty entertaining.
My testimony? I became fully human after ridding myself of religion.The truth is so much more fascinating and inspiring than the myths created by
I'm really not an Aronofsky fanboy, but "Noah" was a very moving
adaptation of one of man's great myths (or historical events, if
you're a believer). I don't think Noah was presented as a vegan. You
don't ever see the family eating much of anything. There is an
environmentalist message in the movie, but it's fairly low-key and
it's easy to ignore. The most moving moments by far are when Aronofsky
employs the language of the Bible, as when Noah recounts the story of the
Creation.It's a great movie. Probably not quite Oscar material,
but still certainly worth seeing.But if people really want to get
advice on what movie to see from one of the shallowest, wrong-headed members of
an allegedly Republican presidential administration, then so be it...
I was excited for the movie, I thought it was going to be good! I was not
looking for a stick to the scripture version at all... but I hated the movie...
@patriotPssst... it's not meant for literal interpretation.
Jesus likewise used allegories to explain concepts. Are you equally upset when
good samaritan stories aren't exactly like the bible? Religious tradition
is beneficial when approaching vague or nuanced concepts, but falls apart if
taken literally. I'm certain this was the main critique Jesus had of the
pharisees. They were overemphasizing the specifics of the laws at the expense of
the meaning. The great irony of our times is this biblical literalism nonsense
that "Christians" obsess over while opportunities to treat others as
Jesus would have pass them by. But, whatevs - to each their own.
Longs for a movie that is 'fully human'. Revels a movie
that omits people of color. In Egypt.
Russell Crow is a great actor but Noah did not use Lord of the Rings imaginary
rock characters to build the ark...at least that isn't what I read in the
OT. Too bad. Great movie material but bad director. Hollywood is so scared of
appearing too religious. They have to stray off the path into their god-less
content as much as possible. People would rather have more God - not less. The
natural man is an enemy to God and has been from the beginning....
There seem to be some real contradictions going on here. Mr. Gerson wants us to
believe that evangelicals are deeply nuanced and possess a profound ability (due
to grace?) to understand the hearts of men (i.e., that people are not cardboard
caricatures).He then goes on to blast God Is Not Dead for being
precisely the cardboard caricature he says is virtually non-existent among
evangelicals while acknowledging (with no apparent irony I can detect) the movie
is a “surprising hit.”Having conversed with many
evangelicals, I have yet to meet one who didn’t believe deep down that 1)
people cannot be moral without believing in God (specifically the God of
Abraham) and 2) the only reason people don’t believe in God is because
they want to live an unrepentant life… because the Bible is obviously
true, right?Apparently Mr. Gerson and I have never met the same
As if atheist trolling hasn't gotten bad enough, now we can look forward to
empty-headed fundies convinced they can convert the atheists. I might just quit
the internet for a while. Lovely.
Your comment about liberal bloggers is pretty snarky.
Geez, it's only a movie. Entertainment. Nothing more.
Yet religious movies such as the 10 commandments, The Robe, Ben Hur, and the
Prince of Egypt where critically acclaimed and even when there Box office
earnigns are adjusted for inflation manage to beat out many of their current
blockbuster movie secular counter parts. What made these movies a success is
they did not attempt to distort,promote, or interpret the claims or beliefs of
the faiths involved. Prince of Egypt and 10 Commandments attempt to tell the
Exodus story as accurately as possible rendered in the actual account and what
relgious leaders typically agreed upon who Moses was.Ben Hur and The robe
although fiction do not distort the claims of what Christians believe about
Christ.In other words they built upon the common beliefs they all agreed upon.
Noah's problem is that it is told from fiction perspective and distorts the
story itself. Before you cry whats the problem? I wonder what the Geologists and
Anthropoligists response would be if I had a colusion between universities,
academics, and historians using every means of geological and fossil data to
promote the belief that the Flintstones is the true history of the jurassic era?
What the dinosaurs are there right?
@JoeBLowWhat I think the author might be getting at is that art is a
sort of "wholistic" thing. Art is uniquely human, and in terms of
religion especially, expresses and encompasses the human condition. In a
real-life human context, concepts such as salvation, sin, redemption, doubt, and
faith are multi-dimensional and spread into many aspects of our life in many
different ways, and capturing that in art is what really makes it "art",
as opposed to clearly superficial or one-sided presentations such as, among
other things, the two movies brought up in the article.If this is
the case, I support the idea the author is getting at. It's too much to
fit into an article comment, but this is exactly what one can see in video games
if they contrast "Xenogears" with, say, "Breath of Fire II".At the same time, however... I might just go see "God is not
Hence the problem with religious themed movies. Take only the
Christian religions. There are so many "brands" out there with so many
nuances that any movie will not sit well with someone.The religious
complain that Hollywood puts out too much "trash" but then complain
about the religious themed movies that are produced. Talk about a no win
situation."Art is only truly religious when it is fully
human."What does that even mean?