Donn,The gospel (as in the correct doctrine of Christ irrespective
of the church or organization to preach it) was clearly not had generally among
the Jews prior to Christ and John. The correct understanding of Christ was
clearly lost which is why so many Jews were confused by his coming as a
carpenter’s son vs. a conqueror.If the gospel was had in the
time just prior to Martin Luther, then his actions (and those of other
reformers) were vain. The gospel was still there.
RE: 28,Twin Lights, Christ and John were (together) restorers. It Never
left, Genesis 3:15 the first gospel (protoevangelium). The
interpreted from N. T. Jesus is the “seed of woman” or The virgin
birth(Gal. 4:4). In Romans 16:20, “And the God of peace shall bruise Satan
under your feet shortly”.Context and Terminology Differences.
Mormon Gospel=Church system and doctrines(works)Gospel defined by the
Bible.A. used in the OT of any kind of good news of the joyful
tidings of God's kindness, in particular, of Messianic blessings. i.e...
the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith,
preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be
blessed. (Gal 3:8)B. in the NT used especially of the glad tidings
of the coming kingdom of God, and of the salvation to be obtained in it through
Christ, and of what relates to this salvation.(1Cor 15:1-4)C. instruct
(men) concerning the things that pertain to Christian salvation. (Romans 5:1;
Eph 2:8-10) i.e…”A simple plowboy can understand the gospel, you
need a priest to make it difficult”. Martin Luther4th post.
Donn,You previously interpreted eternal or everlasting to mean never
to be taken from the earth. But the record is clear that the gospel was taken
and restored previously. Christ and John were (together) restorers.So, if the everlasting (or eternal) gospel means never to be taken, how come
it had been so previously unless (as you note above) what is eternal are the
truths/principles of the gospel and not its permanent place upon the earth?
RE: Twin Lights, Yes, the everlasting gospel is correct(Rev 14:6).
Everlasting=(aionion G 166,) gospel=(euaggelioon G.2098,Good message).The Eternal covenant, what Jeremiah designates the new covenant in 31:31 he
describes as everlasting in 32:40,also Is 55:3 and Is 61:8 On the blood of the
covenant.… a new and living way which He inaugurated for us
through the veil, that is, His flesh,(Heb 10:20)Rev 14:6, The
gospel(good message) is here called everlasting or eternal: (a) because its
great truths have always existed, or it is conformed to eternal truth; (b)
because it will forever remain unchanged - not being liable to fluctuation like
the opinions held by people;(c) because its effects will be everlasting -
in the redemption of the soul and the joys of heaven. In all the glorious
eternity before the redeemed, they will be but developing the effects of that
gospel on their own hearts, and enjoying the results of it in the presence of
Shaun,Because God declared Salt Lake is the place through Brigham
Young many years ago and God hasn't changed his mind. Personally I
don't think he will until it is time to move Church HQ to Missouri. It
would waste too much precious time, effort and resources to move to Provo only
to move again when the time comes. Remember, it is God's kingdom and it is
world wide with a much bigger vision and purpose than what happens in Provo.
Donn,I don't understand your answer. Yes or no?
Re: Twin Lights, The "eternal gospel"=(euaggelion G., good news) then it
was had from Adam until now in an unbroken chain. Is that your understanding?One Savior, One Hope, N. T. Saints look back with thanksgiving to
Christ's atonement for our sins on the cross , just as O. T. saints looked
forward in anticipation of His propitiation for their sins (Is 55:3) - and all
look forward to the day when Christ shall come again.…., who
through “the Blood of the Eternal Covenant’ brought back from the
dead our Lord Jesus (Hebrews 13:20).The proclamation of the “grace”
of God manifest and pledged in Christ(Messiah).. And I saw another
angel flying through the sky, carrying the eternal Good News to proclaim(preach)
to the people who belong to this world—to every nation, tribe, language,
and people.(Rev 14:6 LB),Verse 7,[the good news is preached]*Fear
God,” he shouted. “Give glory to him. For the time has come when he
will sit as judge. Worship him who made the heavens...*fear the
LORD(YHWH), ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him.(Psalm
We had a temple built in Spokane (close to where I live) more than ten years
ago. I would have loved to have seen the Angel set into place on that temple,
but didn't know about it in advance.I am glad to see that these
events have become so inspiring to draw the crowds that they do. For those determined to create an argument, or so I'm reading into it:
That the gospel is everlasting doesn't mean it is always with us, but
rather that the gospel itself doesn't change. People can argue about
policy all they want; that's a different matter.
Donn,If your statement about the everlasting gospel is correct (and
the NIV translates this as the "eternal gospel"), then it was had from
Adam until now in an unbroken chain. Is that your understanding?
RE: Rikitikitavi, “And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven,
having the “everlasting gospel”l to preach unto them that dwell on
the earth, and to ‘every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and
people”.(Rev 14:6).The "the everlasting gospel,"not
lost and then restored. If the gospel is truly "everlasting”, there
would be no need to be restored!"No one, excluded not even the
Negroid race, until `1978.”
I heard like 4 workers got baptized after feeling the spirit when working on
Gotta like the title."statue ascends to top of Provo City Center
Temple"Did they need a crane or did it just get there on its
Another monument to spirituality. What a rich blessing to have in Provo!
Congratulations to this faith based community.
While meditating in the Celestial room of the Temple one day,I heard the
following message set to the music and words of a well known sacrament hymn
resonating up from the earth on up through the spire of the Temple to the statue
of the Angel Moroni and then out through Moroni's trumpet to all the
world:....Jesus of NazarethSavior and KingTriumphant
over deathLife thou did'st bring
I have mixed feelings... I grew up two blocks S.W. of the Provo Tabernacle.. I
could see the spires from my bedroom window.. I was hoping the church would
restore the Tabernalce but realize the need for a second temple in Provo.. I am
looking forward to going to the open house and seeing the inside..
...I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting Gospel
to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred,
and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to
I always have wondered why the LDS church does not relocate their headquarters
to Provo? Their University is there and it seems like most of Utah county is
LDS, unlike Salt Lake County.
>>Why does it look like plastic?The ambient lighting in the
picture. Catch it on a clear day when the sun is shining and you'll see the
difference. The Church spares no expense when it comes to temples.
This is so fun to see the "resurrection" of the Provo Tabernacle. I
attended BYU 30+ years ago and was saddened to hear about its burning. I am
impressed that the LDS Church has taken such enormous steps to maintain what
they could from the original design and to see how they have valued such a
historic site. I can't wait to come there again and attend it when it is