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Published: Monday, March 31 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

Despite the fear mongering, crime in the U.S. has been on a steady decline since about 1990. It seems to be independent of our draconian incarceration rate. No one is sure of the reason, but theories have been posited that it is the result of removing lead from gas, or from the legalization of abortions, but no seems to know for sure.

Esquire
Springville, UT

I'm not qujite sure what the point is of this letter. I rarely comment on letters, but this one is wrong on several points. Name a time in human history when there was no crime. Never. The description of NYC's efforts to reduce crime is faulty, to say the least, and I suspect reflects a lack of understanding and misperception about the city. In the end, crime will never be eliminated, but it can be lowered by providing people hope and economic opportunity. An investment like that will provide a return more than filling up our prisons with more people. The U.S. has the highest incarceration rate in the world, by far. Why is that? This country isn't such a great place in some ways.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

So Esquire, you want them all let out? Good, I'll send them to your house. Until then, I'm very happy about the U.S. high incarceration rate. It keeps the bad guys/girls in jail and out of my neighborhood.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Reducing crime is not done by going soft on it.

Where crime rates are lower now (they are in some cities)... could it be partially because of the 3-strikes and mandatory sentencing that went into place in the late 80's?

So now the Liberal Left's solution is to get rid of those things that have been reducing crime since then??

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I went to NYC in 1984. It was a cesspool of crime. I was propositioned for drugs and prostitution right outside my hotel (Plaza Hotel, which is in a safer area) and several times in other locations. Was told not to go out at night. Saw several striped cars on the streets (engine, doors, seats, wheels, everything gone). I've been back several times since the 1990s and it has changed incredibly (for the better). Why would the Left want to go back??

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More crime is coming to SLC regardless. It's a matter of our size and the population a city this size attracts. But doing away with mandatory sentencing for drug crimes... is no solution.

People involved in the drug trade THINK it's not hurting anybody. That's not true.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Violent crime is on the decrease in the United States,
meanwhile --
Money Laundering, Corporate crimes are at an all time high, and ever increasing.

Whether it's violent, or monetary --
"we" as a Society end up paying for it.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

It will be interesting to see if simply legalising possession of small amounts of pot and making it available for sale (and taxation) will help.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

Corruption in our federal government is at an all time high! Money laundering, waste, corruption, abuses of power, scandals, cover-ups, lying, unconstitutional executive orders, etc.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

If crime statistics are down I have to wonder if people just aren't reporting it anymore? Especially the petty crimes under 1000$.

Neighbors in my area get broken into all the time. ALWAYS cars, and sometimes homes and garages.

Seldom do they report it. The insurance deductibles aren't worth the hassle. When the police DO bother to show up, they don't do much anyway. What's the point of reporting it?

Almost all petty theft is committed by people with drug habits. If you have a habit that requires 50$ per day to support, you WILL get the money somehow. Ask any cop he'll tell you the same thing.

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

It would be nice if our government started treating crimes as crimes. We should never reward someone for illegal behavior. For liberals to support no punishment for illegal immigrant who break the laws of our country really undermines our entire legal system.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

If you are sick of crime... you can do as our friends on the Left do... make the things that are illegal by Federal Law that you WANT to do legal (ie drugs, illegal immigration, etc). And ban the things you don't like that are legal (sodas, trans fats, Caucuses, etc)...

A little hypocritical to me... but it seems to work for them.

Esquire
Springville, UT

@ Flashback, what are you talking about? Every country has a prison population. However, the U.S. is far, far away the most prison happy country on earth, bar none. More than North Korea, more than Yemen, more than Russia. We have over 25% of the total prison population on earth. Are we a nation of bad people, or is our system totally messed up? We put people in prison who could be dealt with in other ways,. and we very little in prevention. You must love higher taxes....

Flashback
Kearns, UT

Esquire, what are you talking about? You can invite them to live with you once they get out.

Esquire
Springville, UT

@ Flashback, so, as a nation, are we worse than any other country in the world?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Flashback didn't say "we are worse than any country". I read his posts.

We should stop making things up and then pretending other people said them (when they didn't). That's a straw-man.

You wouldn't want people doing that to you (saying you said loony things you never said because they ASSUME you might say them). So don't do it to others!

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Crime won't go away if we just let people out who commit it (or don't send them to prison at all).

I know this sounds contradictory but... maybe we have high incarceration rates because we have more freedom.

Freedom is good, but it has consequences. Free people are free to make their own decisions, AND mistakes. Freedom doesn't mean there are no consequences for mistakes, it just means you make your own decision (not the government).

Maybe that's why we have more people in prison... because we are a free society, which allows people to make their own decisions.

It may also be our system, which is based on the "rule of law".

I don't think it indicates we are the worst country in the world. Do you?

airnaut
Everett, 00

And here I thought this would be a discussion about Speeding and Tail-gating....

Esquire
Springville, UT

@ 2 bits, another evasion. If we have the highest incarceration rate in the world (by a very wide margin), why is that? Are we putting people in jail who really don't need to go? Are we happy with the cost, not only for prisons, but also the ripple cost effects on society. This was the issue I was addressing, and Flashback and you both tell us that I want to release all the prisoners? I never said that. Is that what our dialogue is reduced to? We raise an issue and then it is distorted and misrepresented, and we can't discuss it as a result without false accusations? It is effectively shouting down the other side while evading the question. Other nations are free and have the rule of law. We aren't the only ones. But if we can't examine ourselves to see what we could do better, we don't really have much of a future as a nation.

freedomingood
provo, Utah

Throw a bunch of parents in jail for using marijuana while Wall Street gets drunk and uses cocaine to numb their consensuses about stealing out of your 401k.

"White collar" crime is much more destructive than what we punish in our penitentiaries because they start wars, endebt all future generations and literally take people's entire homes, contents and savings.

Yet, we will continue to lock away the small time thief for 30 years because we have no respect for them in the first place. Those with respect and wealth rarely get any jail time no matter what they do.

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