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Published: Sunday, March 30 2014 12:10 p.m. MDT

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Marked it Down
Park City, UT

2B

Utah - TWO 11+ win seasons in their entire history, including one in which they only beat 3 regular season opponents with winning records, none better than 7-5

BYU - THREE 11+ win seasons during the Bronco era; ELEVEN 11+ win seasons overall

midpacmajor
Salt Lake City, Utah

tobe

Did beating BYU last season help U get to a bowl?

Did losing to Utah prevent BYU from playing in a bowl?

Unlike the kids on the hill, BYU's entire season doesn't hinge on the outcome of the BYU-Utah game.

ekute
Layton, UT

Snack PAC,
The Utes haven't beaten Stanford 4 in a row, 9 of 12.

A lot of incessant chest thumping in happy valley over getting beat in a lower-tier bowl.

byu is 13-18 in bowl games, most of which were lower-tier bowls vs average teams. Never was even considered for a BCS bowl.

Whatsnu
Sandy, UT

Marked it Down

11+ win seasons are definitely a high standard to achieve,

but our friends on the hill will try to minimize BYU's overwhelming superiority in that particular measuring stick by claiming that BYU only accomplished it because of their weak schedules,

ironically, the same weak WAC/MWC schedules that Utah was playing during their paltry two 11+ win seasons.

Solomon Levi
Alpine, UT

ekute

The Utes haven't exactly "dominated" the recent series either.

14 of the last 17 games have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime.

Simply because Utah has won a slight majority (8 of 14) of those close games, doesn't prove any sort of superiority, especially for an entire season - overall records, rankings, conference championships, and bowl invitations is a much better indicator of which team was better.

During the Bronco/Kyle era

Top 25 Finishes
Bronco 5
Kyle 3

10+ Win Seasons
Bronco 5
Kyle 3

11+ Win, Top 15 Finishes
Bronco 3
Kyle 1

Conference Championships
Bronco 2
Kyle 1

Bowls
Bronco 9
Kyle 7

And, since Utah fans prefer the AP poll, to the Coaches poll

AP Top 25 Finishes
Bronco 4
Kyle 2

Kyle basically had one great season in 2008, and has had very little else, before or after.

A team that hasn't won a single road game against a conference foe with a winning record has no business crowing about conference affiliation. You're in the PAC, but the record speaks for itself about how competitive U are: 4-5, 3-6, 2-7 = 9-18 overall.

Bronco is 9-9 versus PAC 12 teams.

ekute
Layton, UT

"ironically, the same weak WAC/MWC schedules that Utah was playing during their paltry two 11+ win seasons."...which byu was a part of.

Ironically, byu played the same schedules and never even got a sniff of the BCS.

anti BCS
Anaheim, CA

ekute

"A lot of incessant chest thumping in happy valley over getting beat in a lower-tier bowl."

As opposed to the incessant chest thumping on the hill over spending the last two bowl weeks on the couch?

During the Independent/PAC era, BYU has won twice as many bowl games, and played in three times as many bowl games, as Utah.

If it helps you feel better, congratulations on being a punching bag for the toughest schedule in Utah history!

phantomblade
Salt Lake City, Utah

ekute

Get your facts straight.

BYU has played more bowl games against ranked, Top 25 teams, than Utah has played bowls.

BYU's bowl opponents include Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Penn State, SMU (before the death penalty), UCLA, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, California, Washington State, Texas A&M, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa, Missouri, Arizona, and Colorado, in addition to two undefeated opponents, Marshall and Tulane.

BYU has EIGHTEEN Top 25 finishes, and SEVENTEEN AP Top 25 finishes.

Utah only has FIVE AP Top 25 finishes.

BYU never played in a BCS game, but Utah never won a Consensus National Championship or Heisman Trophy, the quintessential symbols of excellence in major college football.

btw, you left out BYU's tie with Top Ten ranked Iowa, from BYU's bowl record, which is a much greater accomplishment than beating a mediocre Georgia Tech team in the Sun Bowl.

ekute
Layton, UT

Solomon Levi,
bronco's team doesn't play in the PAC 12 week in and week out.

Close losses? So by your reasoning the Utes should of been the PAC 12 regular season champions.

phantomblade
Salt Lake City, Utah

Ironically, Utah played the same schedules and never even got a sniff at a national championship.

Call us the next time Utah finishes in the Top 12 in 5 out of 6 years, with back-to-back Top 7 finishes, and a 24-game winning streak ending with a national championship.

The Utes have NEVER had more than two back-to-back AP Top 25 finishes in their entire history.

At their current rate of 5 AP Top finishes in the first 79 years of the AP poll, it'll take the Utes another 76 years just to match the 17 AP Top 25 finishes BYU already has.

It's doubtful that any of the kids on the hill will even be around by the time that happens.

ekute
Layton, UT

anti BCS'
Congrats on hosting Virginia(your biggest game of the year), Savanna State and Middle Tennessee, not to mention Houston, Nevada and UNLV.

And good luck on achieving you ultimate poinsettia bowl dream.

TroyTown
Anaheim, CA

ekute

"Close losses? So by your reasoning the Utes should of[sic] been the PAC 12 regular season champions."

Nope, close losses only prove competitiveness, not superiority.

Utah doesn't play all over the country against often unfamiliar teams week in and week out.

Try it sometime. It's not nearly as "easy" as you pretend it to be.

You can't even Washington State in Pullman or Utah State in Logan.

What makes you think you could beat Houston in Houston, George Tech in Atlanta, Wisconsin in Camp Randall, or Notre Dame in South Bend?

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

ekute

BYU's dream is making the playoffs and winning a 2nd national championship, but short of that, San Diego is a great place to play a bowl game; it's certainly much more exciting than spending New Year's Eve in El Paso.

Jealous U
Alpine, UT

"And good luck on achieving you ultimate Poinsettia Bowl dream."

Playing in the Poinsettia Bowl is certainly alot more exciting than playing in the couch potato bowl.

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phantomblade

BYU's bowl opponents include Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Penn State, SMU (before the death penalty), UCLA, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, California, Washington State, Texas A&M, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa, Missouri, Arizona, and Colorado, in addition to two undefeated opponents, Marshall and Tulane.

Utah's bowl opponents include New Mexico, Hawaii, West Virginia, Washington State, Arizona, Fresno State, So Miss, Pittsburgh, Tulsa, Navy, Georgia Tech, USC and Alabama.

Not even close to as impressive, especially when you consider that USC was a barely .500, unranked team and Pittsburgh finished in a 4-way tie for first in the Big Least.

BlueHusky
Mission Viejo, CA

Dumb article. Utah has its hands full in the PAC12 and a loss to BYU would be catastrophic. BYU has its hands full scheduling and playing a challenging national schedule, with or without Utah.

Who cares if they ever play again? Not me. Utah drags down BYU's SOS. Utah needs every win they can get and the last 4-years notwithstanding, BYU is a big risk. So like Washington and WSU who bought out the BYU contracts, BYU is too much risk for Utah.

If BYU plays them in a bowl game, that's good enough for me. But I don't live in Utah, so to me, Utah is just another good average university that occasionally wins a few football games and used to be good in basketball.

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