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Published: Saturday, March 29 2014 4:45 p.m. MDT

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Baltimore, MD

"that game is YOUR "Super Bowl""

No, it was KVN's "Super Bowl".

Unlike desperate Utah fans, BYU fans have never claimed that winning the head-to-head with Utah makes or breaks BYU's season.

It's a nice little accomplishment for in-state bragging rights, but, in the overall picture, the Utah game is just one game in a 12- to 15-game season.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA


"I wonder how many people said 'I don't care' before Rock was able to get someone to comment on it for this article."

I'd imagine not too many, if any at all. I'll quote again for you, only this time providing emphasis on key words:

"It's really sad WE don't have it anymore...Honestly, that's lot of the motivation WE had, when WE come in December, and come in the spring, and every day WE remind ourselves, 'Hey, WE've got to beat Utah.' WE don't have it anymore. WE're going to miss that." -- Drew Reilly

That's a lot of "we" in there. And an "every day" no less. That certainly doesn't sound like a one-off/atypical position to me.

Layton, UT

Only in happy valley would the "fans" spin superiority out of 7-14, 3-9 and 0-4. lol.

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA


"The Cougars only went bowling because they played a weak SOS, and won at least 6 games."

The exact same thing can be said of EVERY bowl game Utah has ever played in, including 2004 and 2008, because BYU played a tougher SOS in 2014, than ANY schedule Utah had ever played prior to 2013.

BYU's 2013 SOS: #38

Utah's toughest SOS prior to 2013:

2012 - #41
2011 - #49
2010 - #50
2008 - #56
2004 - #67

As the saying goes,

"Those who live in glass houses, shouldn't cast stones."



Only under the crimson bubble would finishing with a worse record and lower ranking be considered "superior".

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

BYU played a tougher SOS in 2013, than ANY schedule Utah had ever played prior to 2013.

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

deductive reasoning

The Utes didn't go bowling in 2012,

But as a naval vet stated, the only reason the Utes have ever gone bowling is because they played a weaker schedule than BYU played in 2013 and finished with at least 6 wins:

BYU 2013 SOS #38 > every schedule Utah played before 2013

Utah SOS
2011 #74
2010 #88
2009 #101
2008 #74
2007 #76
2006 #62
2005 #75
2004 #62
2003 #67
2002 #76 - no bowl
2001 #73
2000 #60 - no bowl
1999 #56
1998 #75 - no bowl
1997 #50 - no bowl
1996 #49

Coach Biff
Lehi, UT

Open mouth, insert foot. Seems to be the prevailing instructions for Ute fans commenting here. Sheesh!

Whoa Nellie
American Fork, UT

Would some honest Utah fans reply with what they might view as what it will take to get Utah football to be consistently competitive in their conference? Is is recruiting? If so what could improve that? Is it location? Or is it about coaching? What has to happen to get Utah over the edge and winning consistently in conference?

Plano, TX

It's nice Rock can "chronicle" the BYU - UTAH sagas, since that's his college newspaper's name. I was at the universe around the same time. I just hope the U fans are happy with their pac-12 stickers; my little kids used to love playing with stickers too. But I have to admit, I don't think it's good for the 3 instate biggies to not be playing each other every year. I think that's a good thing for the people paying their bills - the taxpayers in 2 of the 3's case.

Cedar Hills, UT

BYU sports on the decline. Remember the good ole days? Starting to forget.

Rose Bowl call yet?
Salt Lake City, UT


Unfortunately for U, there are no good ole days to remember - from mediocre to the abyss.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Notice how BYU fans don't bring up this years Sagarin rankings or strength of schedule. Now that's curious; put par for the course.

sandy, UT

@Just the FAX

LoL why do you use BYU's 2013 SoS in comparison. If you want to use Utah's SoS for 2013 it was #5. Why did that fact elude your post? Why did the fact that BYU's 2012, 2011 SoS were worse than the same years for Utah? And posting all the prior SoS for Utah? Did you forget that prior to 2011 BYU and Utah were in the same conference and for the most part had very similar SoS??? If you want to compare 2013 seasons Utah has the best win, BYU had the worst loss. Outside of Texas and GT every single BYU win came against a team that was ranked lower than every single team Utah lost to. The worst team Utah lost to was ranked #40. The best team BYU beat was ranked #33.

@Whoa Nellie
It's going to take a few more recruiting cycles and some winning records. Utah is starting to have the depth of talent but they are still young kids. Look at last year and this year and see how many frosh/soph kids were playing.

Baltimore, MD


"why do you use BYU's 2013 SoS in comparison."

Isn't it obvious from Naval Vets statement?

"The Cougars only went bowling because they played a weak SOS, and won at least 6 games."

BYU played a TOUGHER schedule in 2013, than ANY Utah bowl team had ever played.

If the 38th toughest schedule is considered "weak", according to Naval Vet, what does that say about the SOS of every one of Utah's bowl teams, because no Utah bowl team has ever played a schedule tougher than #49?

In fact, no Utah bowl team THIS CENTURY has played a SOS tougher than #62, which is 24 spots WEAKER than BYU's 2013 schedule.

Gilbert, AZ

Spokane Ute

You're seriously beating your chest about finishing ONE spot higher in Sagarin, with a worse record and no bowl?

#34 Utah
#35 BYU

sandy, UT


The only problem with that statement is that it is just like the BYU basketball schedule. Yes, you pumped up your SoS by playing a bunch of tough teams. The problem is you didn't beat any of them.

So congrats you beat a bunch of the cream puffs to become bowl eligible and then got exposed when you played good teams. Of your #38 SoS the only team you beat with a better ranking was Texas at #33.

Yes you may have been bowl eligible by playing a tougher schedule than any previous Utah bowl team. The biggest difference is that Utah actually won it's bowl games.

West of I15, UT

Wow I always knew cougie "fans" were jealous until reading these comments however I had no clue how jealous. I've never seen so many fans of a team grasping at so many straws to prove nothing at all.

Sorry cougie fans you may kid yourself but nobody else. It's obvious Utah football is far superior then cougie football.....4 in row, 9 of 12, overall series domination, 2 undefeated seasons along with 2 BCS bowl titles in the last decade......Cougie football could only dream of saying that....LOL!

Saint Paul, MN

"After the game, a few BYU fans pelted officials with debris."

I have heard of this from a Utah-fan co-worker as well.

I STRONGLY encourage EVERY COUGAR FAN, EVERYWHERE, to be absolutely certain we DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN. If you see a fellow Cougar fan behaving in a less than positive manner, call them out on it. Stop them. Set the example.

Growing-up in Minnesota, I had the privilege of attending a few Vikings games. During one on a frigid, clear, December afternoon, as the Vikes won, an upper deck fan sprayed the fans below with the remains of his beer cup. I distinctly remember my Dad hollering at him. "We don't do that here," were his parting words -- supported by most every fan around us.

BYU fans should be, must be, known everywhere for behaving with class. If you have a desire for lesser behavior, there are a number of other programs who would seem to welcome your attitude. Please remember who you are, and let this NEVER be said of true Cougar fans again.

Baltimore, MD


"Yes, you pumped up your SoS by playing a bunch of tough teams. The problem is you didn't beat any of them."

LOL at your disconnected-from-reality hyperbole.

Versus RPI Top 100 teams

BYU 8-7, including road/neutral wins over #37 Texas, #40 Stan, #60 St Mary's, and #72 USF
Utah 5-9, with only one road/neutral win over #62 California

btw, most of the teams Utah beat in their bowl games were just as mediocre as the Utah team that beat them. BYU has played more ranked teams in bowls than Utah has played bowls.

BYU swept the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets in 2012 and 2013, the same team Utah beat in their only bowl game since joining the PAC, and one of those BYU games was at Georgia Tech.

When was the last time Utah won a road game against a PAC team with a winning record?

Don't answer that, you'll just embarrass your team.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah


If Utah is so superior, why have the Utes only played in one bowl game since joining the PAC?

Utah played an easier schedule in 2012 than BYU played in 2013, yet U still weren't good enough to qualify for a bowl invite.

If the Utes are so superior, why does Bronco have THREE 11+ win, Top 15 finishes, versus only ONE 11+ win, Top 15 finish for Kyle?

In fact, Bronco has more 11+ win, Top 15 finishes since 2006, than the Utes have IN THEIR ENTIRE HISTORY!

BYU has played in 9 straight bowl games; Utah hasn't played in a bowl since 2011.

Superiority isn't proven by a single game each season, but by overall success for the entire season. If that weren't the case, then please explain why Utah didn't play in the Rose Bowl this past season. Afterall, according to your head-to-head theory, Utah was "superior" to Stanford.

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