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Brad Rock: What's missing from BYU football spring game? Utah, of course

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  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    April 3, 2014 5:04 p.m.

    Dumb article. Utah has its hands full in the PAC12 and a loss to BYU would be catastrophic. BYU has its hands full scheduling and playing a challenging national schedule, with or without Utah.

    Who cares if they ever play again? Not me. Utah drags down BYU's SOS. Utah needs every win they can get and the last 4-years notwithstanding, BYU is a big risk. So like Washington and WSU who bought out the BYU contracts, BYU is too much risk for Utah.

    If BYU plays them in a bowl game, that's good enough for me. But I don't live in Utah, so to me, Utah is just another good average university that occasionally wins a few football games and used to be good in basketball.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    April 3, 2014 2:13 p.m.

    "And good luck on achieving you ultimate Poinsettia Bowl dream."

    Playing in the Poinsettia Bowl is certainly alot more exciting than playing in the couch potato bowl.

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    phantomblade

    BYU's bowl opponents include Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Penn State, SMU (before the death penalty), UCLA, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, California, Washington State, Texas A&M, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa, Missouri, Arizona, and Colorado, in addition to two undefeated opponents, Marshall and Tulane.

    Utah's bowl opponents include New Mexico, Hawaii, West Virginia, Washington State, Arizona, Fresno State, So Miss, Pittsburgh, Tulsa, Navy, Georgia Tech, USC and Alabama.

    Not even close to as impressive, especially when you consider that USC was a barely .500, unranked team and Pittsburgh finished in a 4-way tie for first in the Big Least.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    April 3, 2014 1:32 p.m.

    ekute

    BYU's dream is making the playoffs and winning a 2nd national championship, but short of that, San Diego is a great place to play a bowl game; it's certainly much more exciting than spending New Year's Eve in El Paso.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    April 3, 2014 1:24 p.m.

    ekute

    "Close losses? So by your reasoning the Utes should of[sic] been the PAC 12 regular season champions."

    Nope, close losses only prove competitiveness, not superiority.

    Utah doesn't play all over the country against often unfamiliar teams week in and week out.

    Try it sometime. It's not nearly as "easy" as you pretend it to be.

    You can't even Washington State in Pullman or Utah State in Logan.

    What makes you think you could beat Houston in Houston, George Tech in Atlanta, Wisconsin in Camp Randall, or Notre Dame in South Bend?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 3, 2014 1:13 p.m.

    anti BCS'
    Congrats on hosting Virginia(your biggest game of the year), Savanna State and Middle Tennessee, not to mention Houston, Nevada and UNLV.

    And good luck on achieving you ultimate poinsettia bowl dream.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 3, 2014 1:11 p.m.

    Ironically, Utah played the same schedules and never even got a sniff at a national championship.

    Call us the next time Utah finishes in the Top 12 in 5 out of 6 years, with back-to-back Top 7 finishes, and a 24-game winning streak ending with a national championship.

    The Utes have NEVER had more than two back-to-back AP Top 25 finishes in their entire history.

    At their current rate of 5 AP Top finishes in the first 79 years of the AP poll, it'll take the Utes another 76 years just to match the 17 AP Top 25 finishes BYU already has.

    It's doubtful that any of the kids on the hill will even be around by the time that happens.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 3, 2014 12:57 p.m.

    Solomon Levi,
    bronco's team doesn't play in the PAC 12 week in and week out.

    Close losses? So by your reasoning the Utes should of been the PAC 12 regular season champions.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 3, 2014 12:57 p.m.

    ekute

    Get your facts straight.

    BYU has played more bowl games against ranked, Top 25 teams, than Utah has played bowls.

    BYU's bowl opponents include Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Penn State, SMU (before the death penalty), UCLA, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, California, Washington State, Texas A&M, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa, Missouri, Arizona, and Colorado, in addition to two undefeated opponents, Marshall and Tulane.

    BYU has EIGHTEEN Top 25 finishes, and SEVENTEEN AP Top 25 finishes.

    Utah only has FIVE AP Top 25 finishes.

    BYU never played in a BCS game, but Utah never won a Consensus National Championship or Heisman Trophy, the quintessential symbols of excellence in major college football.

    btw, you left out BYU's tie with Top Ten ranked Iowa, from BYU's bowl record, which is a much greater accomplishment than beating a mediocre Georgia Tech team in the Sun Bowl.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    April 3, 2014 12:39 p.m.

    ekute

    "A lot of incessant chest thumping in happy valley over getting beat in a lower-tier bowl."

    As opposed to the incessant chest thumping on the hill over spending the last two bowl weeks on the couch?

    During the Independent/PAC era, BYU has won twice as many bowl games, and played in three times as many bowl games, as Utah.

    If it helps you feel better, congratulations on being a punching bag for the toughest schedule in Utah history!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 3, 2014 12:34 p.m.

    "ironically, the same weak WAC/MWC schedules that Utah was playing during their paltry two 11+ win seasons."...which byu was a part of.

    Ironically, byu played the same schedules and never even got a sniff of the BCS.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    April 3, 2014 12:29 p.m.

    ekute

    The Utes haven't exactly "dominated" the recent series either.

    14 of the last 17 games have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime.

    Simply because Utah has won a slight majority (8 of 14) of those close games, doesn't prove any sort of superiority, especially for an entire season - overall records, rankings, conference championships, and bowl invitations is a much better indicator of which team was better.

    During the Bronco/Kyle era

    Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    10+ Win Seasons
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    11+ Win, Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    Conference Championships
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

    Bowls
    Bronco 9
    Kyle 7

    And, since Utah fans prefer the AP poll, to the Coaches poll

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 4
    Kyle 2

    Kyle basically had one great season in 2008, and has had very little else, before or after.

    A team that hasn't won a single road game against a conference foe with a winning record has no business crowing about conference affiliation. You're in the PAC, but the record speaks for itself about how competitive U are: 4-5, 3-6, 2-7 = 9-18 overall.

    Bronco is 9-9 versus PAC 12 teams.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    April 3, 2014 11:57 a.m.

    Marked it Down

    11+ win seasons are definitely a high standard to achieve,

    but our friends on the hill will try to minimize BYU's overwhelming superiority in that particular measuring stick by claiming that BYU only accomplished it because of their weak schedules,

    ironically, the same weak WAC/MWC schedules that Utah was playing during their paltry two 11+ win seasons.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 3, 2014 11:54 a.m.

    Snack PAC,
    The Utes haven't beaten Stanford 4 in a row, 9 of 12.

    A lot of incessant chest thumping in happy valley over getting beat in a lower-tier bowl.

    byu is 13-18 in bowl games, most of which were lower-tier bowls vs average teams. Never was even considered for a BCS bowl.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 3, 2014 11:36 a.m.

    tobe

    Did beating BYU last season help U get to a bowl?

    Did losing to Utah prevent BYU from playing in a bowl?

    Unlike the kids on the hill, BYU's entire season doesn't hinge on the outcome of the BYU-Utah game.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    April 3, 2014 11:28 a.m.

    2B

    Utah - TWO 11+ win seasons in their entire history, including one in which they only beat 3 regular season opponents with winning records, none better than 7-5

    BYU - THREE 11+ win seasons during the Bronco era; ELEVEN 11+ win seasons overall

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 3, 2014 11:18 a.m.

    2BCSWINS

    If Utah is so superior, why have the Utes only played in one bowl game since joining the PAC?

    Utah played an easier schedule in 2012 than BYU played in 2013, yet U still weren't good enough to qualify for a bowl invite.

    If the Utes are so superior, why does Bronco have THREE 11+ win, Top 15 finishes, versus only ONE 11+ win, Top 15 finish for Kyle?

    In fact, Bronco has more 11+ win, Top 15 finishes since 2006, than the Utes have IN THEIR ENTIRE HISTORY!

    BYU has played in 9 straight bowl games; Utah hasn't played in a bowl since 2011.

    Superiority isn't proven by a single game each season, but by overall success for the entire season. If that weren't the case, then please explain why Utah didn't play in the Rose Bowl this past season. Afterall, according to your head-to-head theory, Utah was "superior" to Stanford.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    April 3, 2014 10:50 a.m.

    sportsguy

    "Yes, you pumped up your SoS by playing a bunch of tough teams. The problem is you didn't beat any of them."

    LOL at your disconnected-from-reality hyperbole.

    Versus RPI Top 100 teams

    BYU 8-7, including road/neutral wins over #37 Texas, #40 Stan, #60 St Mary's, and #72 USF
    Utah 5-9, with only one road/neutral win over #62 California

    btw, most of the teams Utah beat in their bowl games were just as mediocre as the Utah team that beat them. BYU has played more ranked teams in bowls than Utah has played bowls.

    BYU swept the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets in 2012 and 2013, the same team Utah beat in their only bowl game since joining the PAC, and one of those BYU games was at Georgia Tech.

    When was the last time Utah won a road game against a PAC team with a winning record?

    Don't answer that, you'll just embarrass your team.

  • Common-Tator Saint Paul, MN
    April 3, 2014 10:04 a.m.

    "After the game, a few BYU fans pelted officials with debris."

    I have heard of this from a Utah-fan co-worker as well.

    I STRONGLY encourage EVERY COUGAR FAN, EVERYWHERE, to be absolutely certain we DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN. If you see a fellow Cougar fan behaving in a less than positive manner, call them out on it. Stop them. Set the example.

    Growing-up in Minnesota, I had the privilege of attending a few Vikings games. During one on a frigid, clear, December afternoon, as the Vikes won, an upper deck fan sprayed the fans below with the remains of his beer cup. I distinctly remember my Dad hollering at him. "We don't do that here," were his parting words -- supported by most every fan around us.

    BYU fans should be, must be, known everywhere for behaving with class. If you have a desire for lesser behavior, there are a number of other programs who would seem to welcome your attitude. Please remember who you are, and let this NEVER be said of true Cougar fans again.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    April 3, 2014 8:37 a.m.

    Wow I always knew cougie "fans" were jealous until reading these comments however I had no clue how jealous. I've never seen so many fans of a team grasping at so many straws to prove nothing at all.

    Sorry cougie fans you may kid yourself but nobody else. It's obvious Utah football is far superior then cougie football.....4 in row, 9 of 12, overall series domination, 2 undefeated seasons along with 2 BCS bowl titles in the last decade......Cougie football could only dream of saying that....LOL!

  • sportyguy sandy, UT
    April 3, 2014 8:27 a.m.

    @Rockwell

    The only problem with that statement is that it is just like the BYU basketball schedule. Yes, you pumped up your SoS by playing a bunch of tough teams. The problem is you didn't beat any of them.

    So congrats you beat a bunch of the cream puffs to become bowl eligible and then got exposed when you played good teams. Of your #38 SoS the only team you beat with a better ranking was Texas at #33.

    Yes you may have been bowl eligible by playing a tougher schedule than any previous Utah bowl team. The biggest difference is that Utah actually won it's bowl games.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    April 2, 2014 3:15 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    You're seriously beating your chest about finishing ONE spot higher in Sagarin, with a worse record and no bowl?

    #34 Utah
    #35 BYU

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    April 2, 2014 3:11 p.m.

    sportyguy

    "why do you use BYU's 2013 SoS in comparison."

    Isn't it obvious from Naval Vets statement?

    "The Cougars only went bowling because they played a weak SOS, and won at least 6 games."

    BYU played a TOUGHER schedule in 2013, than ANY Utah bowl team had ever played.

    If the 38th toughest schedule is considered "weak", according to Naval Vet, what does that say about the SOS of every one of Utah's bowl teams, because no Utah bowl team has ever played a schedule tougher than #49?

    In fact, no Utah bowl team THIS CENTURY has played a SOS tougher than #62, which is 24 spots WEAKER than BYU's 2013 schedule.

  • sportyguy sandy, UT
    April 2, 2014 1:43 p.m.

    @Just the FAX

    LoL why do you use BYU's 2013 SoS in comparison. If you want to use Utah's SoS for 2013 it was #5. Why did that fact elude your post? Why did the fact that BYU's 2012, 2011 SoS were worse than the same years for Utah? And posting all the prior SoS for Utah? Did you forget that prior to 2011 BYU and Utah were in the same conference and for the most part had very similar SoS??? If you want to compare 2013 seasons Utah has the best win, BYU had the worst loss. Outside of Texas and GT every single BYU win came against a team that was ranked lower than every single team Utah lost to. The worst team Utah lost to was ranked #40. The best team BYU beat was ranked #33.

    @Whoa Nellie
    It's going to take a few more recruiting cycles and some winning records. Utah is starting to have the depth of talent but they are still young kids. Look at last year and this year and see how many frosh/soph kids were playing.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    April 2, 2014 12:16 p.m.

    Notice how BYU fans don't bring up this years Sagarin rankings or strength of schedule. Now that's curious; put par for the course.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    April 2, 2014 5:52 a.m.

    patriot

    Unfortunately for U, there are no good ole days to remember - from mediocre to the abyss.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    April 1, 2014 8:41 p.m.

    BYU sports on the decline. Remember the good ole days? Starting to forget.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    April 1, 2014 2:56 p.m.

    It's nice Rock can "chronicle" the BYU - UTAH sagas, since that's his college newspaper's name. I was at the universe around the same time. I just hope the U fans are happy with their pac-12 stickers; my little kids used to love playing with stickers too. But I have to admit, I don't think it's good for the 3 instate biggies to not be playing each other every year. I think that's a good thing for the people paying their bills - the taxpayers in 2 of the 3's case.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    April 1, 2014 1:56 p.m.

    Would some honest Utah fans reply with what they might view as what it will take to get Utah football to be consistently competitive in their conference? Is is recruiting? If so what could improve that? Is it location? Or is it about coaching? What has to happen to get Utah over the edge and winning consistently in conference?

  • Coach Biff Lehi, UT
    April 1, 2014 1:30 p.m.

    Open mouth, insert foot. Seems to be the prevailing instructions for Ute fans commenting here. Sheesh!

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 1, 2014 1:24 p.m.

    deductive reasoning

    The Utes didn't go bowling in 2012,

    But as a naval vet stated, the only reason the Utes have ever gone bowling is because they played a weaker schedule than BYU played in 2013 and finished with at least 6 wins:

    BYU 2013 SOS #38 > every schedule Utah played before 2013

    Utah SOS
    2011 #74
    2010 #88
    2009 #101
    2008 #74
    2007 #76
    2006 #62
    2005 #75
    2004 #62
    2003 #67
    2002 #76 - no bowl
    2001 #73
    2000 #60 - no bowl
    1999 #56
    1998 #75 - no bowl
    1997 #50 - no bowl
    1996 #49

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    April 1, 2014 1:09 p.m.

    BYU played a tougher SOS in 2013, than ANY schedule Utah had ever played prior to 2013.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    April 1, 2014 12:36 p.m.

    navelvet

    "The Cougars only went bowling because they played a weak SOS, and won at least 6 games."

    The exact same thing can be said of EVERY bowl game Utah has ever played in, including 2004 and 2008, because BYU played a tougher SOS in 2014, than ANY schedule Utah had ever played prior to 2013.

    BYU's 2013 SOS: #38

    Utah's toughest SOS prior to 2013:

    2012 - #41
    2011 - #49
    2010 - #50
    2008 - #56
    2004 - #67

    As the saying goes,

    "Those who live in glass houses, shouldn't cast stones."

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    ekute

    Only under the crimson bubble would finishing with a worse record and lower ranking be considered "superior".

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 1, 2014 10:04 a.m.

    Only in happy valley would the "fans" spin superiority out of 7-14, 3-9 and 0-4. lol.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 1, 2014 9:02 a.m.

    CougarSunDevil:

    "I wonder how many people said 'I don't care' before Rock was able to get someone to comment on it for this article."

    I'd imagine not too many, if any at all. I'll quote again for you, only this time providing emphasis on key words:

    "It's really sad WE don't have it anymore...Honestly, that's lot of the motivation WE had, when WE come in December, and come in the spring, and every day WE remind ourselves, 'Hey, WE've got to beat Utah.' WE don't have it anymore. WE're going to miss that." -- Drew Reilly

    That's a lot of "we" in there. And an "every day" no less. That certainly doesn't sound like a one-off/atypical position to me.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    April 1, 2014 9:00 a.m.

    "that game is YOUR "Super Bowl""

    No, it was KVN's "Super Bowl".

    Unlike desperate Utah fans, BYU fans have never claimed that winning the head-to-head with Utah makes or breaks BYU's season.

    It's a nice little accomplishment for in-state bragging rights, but, in the overall picture, the Utah game is just one game in a 12- to 15-game season.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 1, 2014 8:55 a.m.

    TrueBlue:

    The cougars only went bowling because they played a weak SOS, and won at least 6 games. We don't play similar schedules anymore, so where you were in December is irrelevant with respect to in-state superiority. You know full well that our series means more to you than it does to us, and that it is YOUR "Super Bowl"; not ours.

    And it's also not our "bowl game". If it were, we wouldn't have dropped you for the next 2 seasons, now would we have? Don't be so frantic and emotional. Your sour grapes are showing.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 1, 2014 8:39 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    Please explain how being a punching bag for the big boys of a big boy conference and spending the holidays at home on the couch makes U "relevant".

    Utah's "priority" of winning the PAC 12 is nothing but a pipe dream.

    In order to do that, the Utes are going to have to win road games against PAC 12 teams with winning records, something the Utes haven't done in 20 years.

    The truth is, you're all talk when it comes to your "priorities," because the ONLY priority you've been able to accomplish and the only priority you've been able to beat your chest about, since joining the PAC, is beating BYU.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    April 1, 2014 8:27 a.m.

    navelvet

    BYU fans have spent the last two bowl weeks in San Diego and San Francisco.

    Utah fans have spent the last two bowl weeks on the couch.

    You play your bowl in September.

    BYU plays its bowl in December.

    Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but when it comes to overall success, U have nothing to crow about.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 31, 2014 11:44 p.m.

    Chamberlain:

    "It's Utah fans beating their chests about beating a team they pretend not to care about."

    That's only because the Y can't beat their chests about a team they're desperately trying to claim they don't care about. I guarantee you that Y fans WOULD beat their chests if they could, but they can't because they were the losers.

    "It's Utah fans who are satisfied with losing, bowl less seasons, as long as the Utes pull off another upset win versus BYU."

    That just something Y fans like to say to make themselves feel relevant. But the truth is, beating our little brother ranks way down the list on our priorities. Utah's #1 priority is winning the Pac-12. Beating little brother does nothing in regards to that goal.

    Besides, that game is YOUR "Super Bowl". Not ours.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    March 31, 2014 6:15 p.m.

    No utah? Don't care.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 31, 2014 5:38 p.m.

    "It was Drew Reilly -- not Trevor Reilly...

    "It was Ryker Mathews -- not Jackson Barton..."

    I wonder how many people said "I don't care" before Rock was able to get someone to comment on it for this article. Editing is a powerful tool to hide the truth. it wouldn't have been much of an article if it said "Two out 150 BYU athletes were the only ones that cared about the rivalry." (Much to my dismay, KVN is not on the team anymore) Why didn't Taysom Hill make a comment, the leader of the offence. What about Bronson Kafusi? Don't they care about the rivalry? The great thing is, we can only know what the reporter reports. If Rock is really a Utah beat writer, then it would serve him to write an article like this conveniently without what other (and more notable) people are saying "We don't play them this year, we don't care."

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    March 31, 2014 5:22 p.m.

    Just like ute fans, the ute media fantasizes about playing BYU all the time. BYU fans in red clothing is all they are.

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    March 31, 2014 4:47 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    Spin it however helps you sleep at night, but

    It's Utah fans who are still obsessing about a rival they supposedly left behind in 2010.

    It's Utah fans beating their chests about beating a team they pretend not to care about.

    It's Utah fans who are satisfied with losing, bowl less seasons, as long as the Utes pull off another upset win versus BYU.

    It's Utah fans who are obsessed with comparing "stars" of every BYU recruit.

    It's Utah fans who go out of their way to try to marginalize every BYU win.

    The point is, if you weren't totally obsessed with BYU, you wouldn't be spamming the blog of a team you won't even play again until 2016.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 31, 2014 4:14 p.m.

    Hey Phoenix,

    He was talking about me. I thought Spokeane Ute would at least agree with your comment:

    "14 of the last 17 BYU-Utah games being decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime is decidedly NOT automatic - in fact it proves that the games have been very competitive and the Utes have simply been fortunate to come out on top in a slight majority (8 of 14) of those close games."

    This is what I was referring to when I posted my prior comment. Further, I thought Spokeane Ute would agree that the contest was a close contest with luck favoring them, but instead he went with the Utah talking points of 9 out of 12 etc. So with that, I'm sure he will not object to me remind him that Utah has not beaten ASU since before 1978. Thus he will unconditionally agree that ASU has dominated Utah over the last three and half decades so he can stay consistent (since I'm sure Utah may have been close in one or two of those games but it doesn't matter).

  • Hank Jr Draper, UT
    March 31, 2014 3:25 p.m.

    What's been missing for more than a few years now? Try an athletic and mobile offensive line!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 31, 2014 3:24 p.m.

    WAC man:

    This isn't an article about Utah lamenting the loss of the former rivalry.

    It was Van Noy -- not Paul Gionni -- who called that game your "Super Bowl".

    It was Drew Reilly -- not Trevor Reilly -- who said, "It's really dad we don't have it anymore," and "Honestly, that's lot of the motivation we had, when we come in December, and come in the spring, and every day we remind ourselves, 'Hey, we've got to beat Utah.' We don't have it anymore. We're going to miss that."

    It was Ryker Mathews -- not Jackson Barton -- who said, "In previous years, I think it's been the biggest motivation we've had, playing Utah and trying to beat our in-state rival...I'm just as bugged and weirded out as you are Utah not being on the schedule."

    It most certainly is not "quite the opposite". It's "quite the truth" as I had presented it.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    March 31, 2014 2:09 p.m.

    navelvet

    "There sure seems to be an awful lot of sour grapes over the Utes..."

    Nope, quite the opposite.

    Most BYU fans have already moved on and couldn't care less that the Utes chose to run away from the rivalry because playing BYU and Michigan in the same season was considered "too difficult" for the Utes (according to their own AD).

    BYU fans do find it hilarious that Utah fans are still completely obsessed with BYU, despite their supposed indifference to playing BYU.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 31, 2014 1:57 p.m.

    Wow! There sure seems to be an awful lot of sour grapes over the Utes refusing to play their little brother in Football these upcoming 2 seasons. That whole "we didn't want to play the Utes anyway" refrain is disingenuous at best, because we'd already read all the whining from your side of the former rivalry after we'd demonstrated that it was the Utes -- not the cougars -- who didn't really care if we played that game in 2014 and 2015. It isn't Utah who can't get over the cougars. It's the cougars who can't get over themselves.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 31, 2014 1:46 p.m.

    Utah without BYU at it's side is sunk.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    March 31, 2014 1:16 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    I don't have a clue who "CougSundevil" is, but here's a clue:

    There are literally thousands of BYU fans who live in the Phoenix metro area.

    14 of the last 17 BYU-Utah games being decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime is decidely NOT automatic - in fact it proves that the games have been very competitive and the Utes have simply been fortunate to come out on top in a slight majority (8 of 14) of those close games.

    If a win is simply a win, then why are Utah fans still posting 54-10?

    btw, it doesn't compare to 56-6, 27-0, 56-28 back-to-back-to-back.

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    March 31, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    It's funny how Utah fans refused to give BYU any credit for losing several close games versus Top 25 teams in 2012, but whined about Utah not getting credit for losing several close games versus conference opponents in 2013.

    BYU beats Oklahoma in what is essentially a home game for the Sooners - Utah fans discount the win because Oklahoma's QB was injured during the game; strange how the injury excuse only applies to other teams (see Utah and Travis Wilson versus BYU and Riley Nelson).

    BYU STOMPS 15th-ranked Texas, rolling up 550 rushing yards, more rushing yards than any Texas team had given up in history - Utah fans discount the win because Texas dropped out of the Top 25 (although just barely).

    Yet Utah fans beat their chests incessantly about beating a weak Pittsburgh team in the Fiesta Bowl.

    You want accolades for winning a couple of BCS games, yet you belittle an even greater accomplishment - winning a Consensus National Championship.

    Bottom line for Utah fans - it's hard to get respect, when you're so completely unwilling to give respect.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 31, 2014 12:13 p.m.

    @CougSundevil

    9 out of 12 is fairly automatic. How about semi-automatic? In all honesty I will miss the game. Most of the time a great game to watch. However, the Utah - Michigan game should also be a good watch.

    @phoenix

    I always thought a win was a win and a loss was a loss. That's what I always hear when I refernece 6 close losses that Utah suffered in hoops, during confernece play. I guess it's what ever fits ones agenda.

    I'm wondering if these two gents from Arizona are two in the same? The timing and content of the responses sure are curios?

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    March 31, 2014 11:16 a.m.

    Ute fans storming the field three times in one game after barely beating BYU at home tells you how much Utah has "moved on."

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 31, 2014 11:02 a.m.

    Flashback,
    If the Utes were "chicken". they would of opted to stay put, and continue their domination of byu and the rest of the MWC.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    March 31, 2014 10:50 a.m.

    More Mature Y Fan

    Bronco has beaten Texas, Oklahoma, Oregon, UCLA, Arizona, Oregon State, Washington, Boise St, and Georgia Tech, as well as an 18th ranked Utah team, among others; and he played BCS runner-up Notre Dame down to the wire in South Bend; that's some pretty high level teams.

    Three 11-2, Top 15 seasons suggests that Bronco has done far more than run up an impressive record against mediocre teams.

    The biggest difference between Bronco and Kyle, however, is Bronco seldom loses to teams he's supposed to beat. That rain soaked/lightning delayed opening game of the season at Virginia was an aberration. Compare that to Kyle getting shut out by 10-loss UNLV, a week after stomping UCLA, or Kyle's end of season home loss to a 10-loss Colorado team that hadn't won a road game in four years.

  • More Mature Y Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    March 31, 2014 10:18 a.m.

    @IdahoCoog

    Basically your statement says to me, "So yeah, we lost twice to Notre Dame but when you played them, you lost worse."

    I hope you find solace in that fact. I certainly don't. The fact that BYU can't play with the powers of the nation is yet another reason I am convinced that Bronco Mendenhall is no more than a coach that can run up impressive records against mediocre teams year in and year out but can't win against the high level teams of the nation and Utah as well.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    March 31, 2014 10:12 a.m.

    Versus PAC 12 Teams

    Bronco 9-9 (50%)
    Kyle 13-21 (38%), including 4-5, 3-6, 2-7, 9-18(33%) overall since joining the PAC

    The Utes are all talk, but no walk, when it comes to being competitive in the PAC.

    After three full seasons in the PAC, the Utes still haven't won a road game against a PAC team with a winning record.

    In fact, the Utes haven't won a road game against a PAC team with a winning record in almost 20 years!

    As far as Utah's "auto-win" versus BYU goes - 14 of the last 17 have been decided by a TD or less in the closing minutes or in overtime; hardly proof of any sort of dominance by either team, but instead a harsh slap in the face of reality to the Utah fantasy that this has become an auto-win.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    March 31, 2014 9:35 a.m.

    chris, if it was an automatic win, utah should have kept the game, you need the wins, they don't come often! The pac11.u is a little bit too tough for the utes.

    LOL

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 31, 2014 9:03 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    I guess Utah will have to look else where for an auto-win. Utah will just have to win "the war" this year, just like last year. Ref: Sagarin Rankings. Oh, not to mention winning the battle for 4 years in a row. BYU lost on the court/field and in the Sagarin rankings to Utah this year. Second fiddle; anyway you cut it.

    I'm kind of surprised by your quote Spokane Ute. You usually are pretty honest with your posts. Auto win every year huh? Yes Utah pulled out the wins, but it was usually a very close game (minus Heaps). I don't think barely winning a game becomes an auto win.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    March 31, 2014 8:24 a.m.

    This actually sets itself up perfectly for BYU and Utah to play in a bowl game against each other. It could happen. Utah will win 6 games, and BYU will win 8 or 9. I could see a bowl game in December with these two teams. Could be fun.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    March 31, 2014 8:17 a.m.

    The Utes are just plain chicken. Yep I said it and it needs to be said.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    March 31, 2014 8:02 a.m.

    @ Crow

    To answer your question, BYU has had a better winning percentage against PAC 12 teams than has Utah.

    Now a question for you: Is this year (4th season in the PAC 10.2) going to be the year Utah finally gets a total of 10 conference wins? They couldn't do it in three years. I stated at the very first that it would take them 3 years to accumulate 10 conference wins. But I admit, I was wrong....it will take at least 4 years. And I didn't predict they would miss a bowl game two years in a row. I guess I just wasn't thinking about it (Utah's success or lack thereof) too much, was I?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 31, 2014 7:24 a.m.

    I guess Utah will have to look else where for an auto-win. Utah will just have to win "the war" this year, just like last year. Ref: Sagarin Rankings. Oh, not to mention winning the battle for 4 years in a row. BYU lost on the court/field and in the Sagarin rankings to Utah this year. Second fiddle; anyway you cut it.

  • Ken Lee Pasadena, CA
    March 31, 2014 6:25 a.m.

    Again with the comments about the "power conference" because the Utes are not even playing .500 ball. "Yeh, but some of the PAC12 teams are good…look over there…" A 2 for one game in SLC might be possible if you had a large stadium that could hold all the fans that BYU routinely brings. Save your annual money from PAC12 beatdowns and try to get yourself a bigger stadium, a DirecTV channel, and enough fans to care. How many losing seasons before you get back to 15-20,000 fans in your weekly games? Oh well, spoiler, get up for Stanford or BYU…occasional UCLA in basketball…but realize a blowout loss in the NIT to a mediocre WCC team and no bowl game ever, is your future. Yay, Travis Wilson and Deloid Wright are a coming back…..USC has that Ute game circled on their calendar, I'm sure.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    March 31, 2014 5:39 a.m.

    For all the Ute fans who say they've "moved on"....please MOVE ON. Why the obsession with all things BYU? I'm the oldest of several brothers and could frankly care less how we compare on everything. You're acting more like an obsessed little brother. We're happy for your PAC whatever membership. Now make us proud and go do something with it these next 2 years. You guys worried way too much about our game anyway. This will be good for you to divert your attention to something else. Move along....

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    March 31, 2014 12:36 a.m.

    "The difference in our schedule with PAC 12 teams and Utah's schedule is we win most of those games."

    Lately, this just hasn't been true. BYU has struggled against PAC-12 teams the past couple years.

  • Outside-View Federal Way, WA
    March 31, 2014 12:07 a.m.

    Disappointing for sure but new reporters are the ones who show the most disappointment. Let BYU move on and Utah as well.

    BYU can look forward to a very competitive game with Utah State as a rival game.

    Cant you write an article without getting some BYU player saying they should win every game this year? People have to be so sick of the hype. GO ahead and be positive but do it on the field before you talk about it.

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    March 30, 2014 9:59 p.m.

    @crow

    "After all what was BYU's win percentage against teams from the PAC 12 in football and basketball"

    During the Bronco/Kyle era
    Bronco 9-9 (50%)
    Kyle 13-21 (38%)

    During the Rose/Krystko era
    Rose 5-3 (62%)
    Krystko 19-39 (40%)

  • dahlrob PROVO, UT
    March 30, 2014 8:57 p.m.

    @crow. Again, if you don't need it, quit reading and commenting on the articles. You have moved on right?

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    March 30, 2014 8:36 p.m.

    eating crow

    "The BYU players seem to be upset that their season hinges on beating Utah"

    The sad truth for U is just the opposite is true.

    It's clear from the results of the last three seasons that the ONLY thing Utah fans have had to beat their chests about is beating BYU.

    Clearly losing bowl less seasons are inconsequential as long as the Utes win the head-to-head with BYU.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    March 30, 2014 8:34 p.m.

    RE: Crow

    "The byu players seem to be upset that their season hinges on beating Utah since they are irrelevant and don't have anything to play for other than their super bowl and trying to beat Utah."

    It was a BYU player (Van Noy) who said that the Utah game is his "superbowl" not BYU fans. The fact that you know this indicates you too must be a BYU fan/close follower.

    "I have gone to every Utah spring practice and not once have I heard byu even being mentioned. Oh how times have changed."

    I haven't gone to any spring practices but I've also never heard BYU fans talk about Utah in conjunction with the BYU spring game. It was a pro-Utah beat writer that made that connection here, not BYU fans. Again, thanks for your support of BYU football, the only team in Utah worth reading about.

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    March 30, 2014 6:51 p.m.

    @dahlrob maybe its the byu fans knowing that the article is true. The byu players seem to be upset that their season hinges on beating Utah since they are irrelevant and don't have anything to play for other than their super bowl and trying to beat Utah. I have gone to every Utah spring practice and not once have I heard byu even being mentioned. Oh how times have changed.
    @toosmartforyou don't worry about your schedule its the best that byu will continue to get what benefits does other teams have in playing byu other then a scheduled win for teams from the Big 5 conferences. After all what was byus win percentage against teams from the PAC12 in football and basketball

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    March 30, 2014 5:31 p.m.

    CROW: Just because Brad Rock is trying to fuel the coals to re-ignite the fire, doesn't mean BYU fans want this rivalry more than Utah fans. Note the article above "thebigsamoan" who said it best.

  • Yankees24 SLC, UT
    March 30, 2014 4:19 p.m.

    Utah fans seriously? Time to stop beating your chest. Yeah you have owned BYU in football but what do you have to show for it? Your football team will continue to be the doormat in the Pac. But that doesn't matter right? You're still in the prestigious Pac 12. Maybe the Utes should schedule Kentucky. They're both in the same situation.

  • Jeff ls Farr West, 84404
    March 30, 2014 3:45 p.m.

    Well, Rock has to stir the pot one more time. I am just fine with this game being gone. I can think of 40 other teams I would rather see BYU play than Utah. The difference in our schedule with PAC 12 teams and Utah's schedule is we win most of those games. Good riddance to this game. I would like to encourage Utah to join the volleyball league with several of their PAC 12 teams. It is just another league where they can continue being cannon fodder to the other teams. I do have respect for the Utah teams and wish them well. Some of their fans are a totally different subject.
    Jeff

  • dahlrob PROVO, UT
    March 30, 2014 1:15 p.m.

    Utah and their fans don't want or need it, but they still feel compelled to comment on it. As Shakespeare said " me thinks thou dost protest too much"

  • Max-was-right springville, UT
    March 30, 2014 12:04 p.m.

    Well now Utah doesn't have any type of a bowl game to play in. When the hate game continues in two years, the uties will also have a new coach.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    March 30, 2014 11:47 a.m.

    Even though we don’t go to bowl games anymore we are now pretegous so we don’t have to play byu anymore because we get respect from our PAC brothers even though we don’t win very much anymore.

    Go Utes!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 30, 2014 11:42 a.m.

    IdahoCoog,
    Nothing you said disproves the fact that the only Independent that can compete with Utes is ND.
    If Utah and byu were to meet in a bowl, recent history of byu vs the Utes and the and the rest of the PAC 12 is overwhelming evidence that the Utes would continue their bowl winning tradition and byu would add to their bowl losing record.

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    March 30, 2014 11:39 a.m.

    @ longtime fan its already irrelevant for Utah. This article just proves one thing this game means more to byu than Utah. After all van noy did call it byus super bowl before his 4th straight loss to Utah.

  • ray vaughn Ogden, UT
    March 30, 2014 11:10 a.m.

    It is difficult to feel sympathy for BYU lamenting the suspension of the Utah football game. For many years BYU played a yearly football game with Utah State University. BYu had no sense of tradition when they suspended the series with Utah State University.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    March 30, 2014 11:04 a.m.

    I attended the spring game and I couldn't possibly guess what was missing as I looked at the headline, but then I read the article and discovered it was Utah, of all things, written by a pro-Utah sports homer.

    This is what will happen:

    BYU will play their average or maybe better-than-average season and go to a bowl game in December.

    Utah will play their average season and watch all the bowl games yet again in December from the comfort of their living room and big screen TV.

    Utah fans will mock BYU's schedule and bowl and bowl opponent, etc. ad infinitum.

    Mr. Rock will continue to write sports articles that everything is Utah.

    The headline is wrong: There is no surprise.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    March 30, 2014 9:21 a.m.

    For this Cougar fan, the fun of watching the rivalry has long being destroyed by a few obnoxious fans who can't seem to curb their hatred of their rival. As far as some Ute fans are concern as often voiced on these forums, their team has moved onward and upward what with their membership in the prestigious PAC 12 conference of champions while the Cougars are just another mid major in their rear view mirror not worthy of an invite except a 2 for 1, take it or leave it. So I say, more power to them! They're happy where they're heading and we should be too with where we are! And if we won't ever play another game in this rivalry, I won't ever loose any sleep over it. I just couldn't stomach the hate anymore! Two great organizations badly maligned by a few who thrives only on hating and denigrating their rival! On the other hand, perhaps the pause would yield some positive results for the better in fans behavior!

    Go Cougars! And good luck to the Utes too!

  • IdahoCoog Malad City, ID
    March 29, 2014 11:16 p.m.

    ekute, "The only Independent that can compete with the Utes is ND."

    You got to be kidding... don't you remember the blowout beat-down the Utes took last time they played ND. It was nothing like the two competitive games the Y has played with the Irish.

    IF the U can be bowl eligible, they might be honored to play BYU in a bowl... if they aren't afraid.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 29, 2014 8:25 p.m.

    Utah? They jumped out of the frying pan into the fire, and they can't handle it.

    Big brother can't bail them out of this mess.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2014 7:54 p.m.

    Was looking forward to Brad Rock's "Cougar football is one piece away from NC playoffs" article.

  • Bama Defense Bentonville, AR
    March 29, 2014 7:07 p.m.

    Utah needs something. That's for sure.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2014 6:52 p.m.

    This had just become an automatic win for Utah and an automatic loss or byu

    Beating byu didn't look impressive and it's better to play teams like Michigan and Fresno.

    No power conference team is rivals with non power conference teams other than notre dame.

    Byu needs this game more than Utah, since Utah already plays the big boys most weeks.

    Dr hill should offer byu a 2 for 1 with 2 in salt lake.

    Take it or leave it, they need the game more than us.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 29, 2014 6:32 p.m.

    The only Independent that can compete with the Utes is ND.

  • utcyclist Draper, UT
    March 29, 2014 6:26 p.m.

    It's unfortunate that these players won't get to experience losing yet again to Utah. Utah has owned BYU for years but they'll just have to wait a couple of years before extending Utah's win streak. Tragic.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    March 29, 2014 6:23 p.m.

    C'mon, Rock--time to move on. BYU Nation has. Utah is just another regional school. We don't play Wyoming anymore either.

  • longtime fan Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2014 5:36 p.m.

    Good riddance! The rivalry for many people has lost all civility, and is taken way too seriously. I hope it goes away completely. I don't hate Utah fans or their teams, but there are things that are said and done by fans on both sides that are destructive and hateful. The break should be a good thing; Now that Utah is in a different conference and BYU can play anywhere in the country, I'd like to see the rivalry become irrelevant.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    March 29, 2014 5:09 p.m.

    Wow. The Deseret News is hitting a new low with this article. What does Utah have to do with the BYU football spring game? Nothing. I suspect this article was written for one reason alone--to provide fodder for the trolls.

    Also, what is this all about?... "BYU opens the season in the longest road game imaginable — at Connecticut. It makes you wonder why the Cougars didn’t just get it over with and schedule Cambridge." I have absolutely no clue what he's trying to say here.

    Regarding the spring game, here's what I'd really like to know--why no BYUtv stream? I would have loved to watch the game. Good luck this season Cougars.

  • CG Orem, UT
    March 29, 2014 4:58 p.m.

    Utah's loss!

    Now the Utes won't even have the possibility of an upset win over BYU to help them feel better about themselves after another losing, bowl less season.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 29, 2014 4:34 p.m.

    “We grew up watching the rivalry and that’s why a lot of us came to BYU — to be part of the rivalry. It’s really sad we don’t have it anymore.”

    Well, maybe Drew should of committed to Utah and played with the Big Boys, with big brother and
    for Big Brother.