@ Redshirt -- I don't consider poor people my pets. I do believe that
everyone, including the poor, should be treated with respect and dignity, not
called worthless parasites. Because your opinion of poor people is so low, you
cannot believe that they can be helped by a hand up. You (speaking generically
of "conservatives") believe that they are takers, who obviously have
nothing better to do than lie around raking in the money because of course they
would never use the help to pull themselves up. While there is definitely some
long term generational poverty, there are plenty of working poor who have used
government assistance to pull themselves to another level. Regardless, to a
"conservative," they are all takers and should be treated with disdain
To "Wonder" if liberals don't try to shut up Christians, then why
it is that when a Hollywood actor comes out as a Christian they are immediately
shunned and have a hard time getting work? Why is it that if you object to gay
marriage based on Christian teachings you are again told to shut up?If liberals want to help the poor, why is it that their policies and practices
only result in keeping the poor down? Liberals have pushed anti-poverty
programs for nearly 60 years, and we still have roughly the same percent of the
population living in poverty. The welfare state has done massive damage to the
black family, and now the liberal immigration policy will do the same to the
Hispanics.Even in their charitable giving, liberals are found to
give less to charities than conservatives. When they do give to charities,
liberals are more likely to give to symphonies, operas, or other arts programs
and not to programs to help the poor.Why not work to employ the
poor, get them job skills and let them pull themselves out of poverty, rather
than treating them like pets?
@Sven -- "Liberals" don't try to "shut Christians up."
Many liberals ARE Christian. They are just the type of Christian who believe in
helping the poor as opposed to the kind of Christian who like to tell everyone
they are Christian and then in the next breath talk about how all the lazy,
worthless poor are trying to take all of their hard earned cash.
Meanwhile -- on the other side of the world, another 8 year old straps on
an explosive vest and reads her letter about her hero...
airnautEverett, 00Did the assignment say, "Pick a
non-religious figure that's your hero"?That's the point.
That religious figures are automatically disqualified... And ironically
Political figures are qualified.I think that IS the topic.===Did you mean to say that Jesus is a "fictional"
person?Because I think that's what the teacher was eluding to. And I
know from your past rantings that you don't think Jesus is a Fictional
person.===What (in your book) disqualifies a
"Religious figure" from being your hero (or this girl's
"hero")??I think the SA should have been allowed, and judged
on it's literary merit (not disqualified based on the teacher's
To "pragmatistferlife" have you noticed that as the distance between
your local school and the body of people outlining the educational standards
increases that the level of education decreases?Go back to the
textbooks that were written in the early 1900's. The language used in
them, and the knowledge in those books was much more advanced than today.Combine that with the grade inflation going on, and you can see that the
system is on its way to collapse under its own ideology.Now if you
want to see something interesting, look up how homeschooled children are
surpassing their public school educated peers.
2 bitsCottonwood Heights, UTSomehow I suspect that if the SA had
been written about Obama being her hero... it would have been accepted.11:32 a.m. March 31, 2014=========== Hint: I
would have been accepted, because Pres. Obama is NOT a religous figure.And please - Stay on topic.
Somehow I suspect that if the SA had been written about Obama being her hero...
it would have been accepted.
wow, sorry, that was some poor typing and editing on my part. I need more coffee
@badger So its all right for the far right to hide behind an * year
old child and use her as a human shield while they loop political false
political rhetoric but its "picking on" her when the rest of use dispute
the rhetoric? Interesting attempt at twisting what is happening, but not buying
1. the Blaze.2. cherry pick a negative emotional story.3. play the
victim card.4. create and fan the flames of controversy. [Now wonder
it's called "the Blaze"].5. make more money.It's a schtick.
First Amendment U.S. Constitution:"Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise
thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of
the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress
of grievances.""Separation of Church and State" is not
in the Constitution. These are words from Thomas Jefferson. Liberals use this deception time and time again to try and shut Christians up.
Sorry, but people have the right to speak about God and religion, without the
intolerant persecution of Leftists. Sadly our pathetic public education system
(subservient to their Almighty Teachers Union) has fostered this ignorance and
downright contempt for our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Again, those who belittle this little girl for her writing should be ashamed of
themselves. It takes a small person to pick on a child.
The outline and thesis of this 8 year old's paper are online for all to
see. As an educator, I was impressed with the writing of this 8 year old. The
work was at or above grade level.Pretending that she wasn't
adequately fulfilling the assignment is a lying cheap shot.Sentinal
- it is the anti-religious left that is intolerant of religion. Muhammad was a
great prophet who also would make a great hero, as would Buddha, and Martin
Luther, and numerous other great historical religious figures. Now
if a child wrote that Hitler, or Bin Laden, or Jack the Ripper was their hero, I
would hope there would be outrage.
@badger, haha etc....did any of the other fail to meet the requirements,
As Blue points out its was not who she choose that was the problem she refused
to complete the requirements of who what where why and how that s not
persecution thats trying to shift responsibility away from herself when she
failed to complete the assignment. Ignoring the facts surrounding this case also
does not make them go away or make something that is not persecution
Oh, my, my. We can't have a day go by without conservative media (Glenn
Beck media in this case) promoting a story short on facts in order to whip up
followers. This story doesn't even pass the smell test at first glance
being that it happened in the bible belt. I would urge readers to
simply go to Cerro Gordo Elementary's school website link to "response
to media" and read what it says there. The child was never
prohibited from writing an essay on Jesus. Principal Kent Lovett reports:"The class had been instructed to create a composition about their
hero, and was in the early stages of the writing process. As they were working,
several students experienced difficulties in the planning stage, including the
student in the midst of this firestorm. She, like the others, approached the
teacher for guidance on how to proceed. As the teacher and student conferenced,
the teacher asked the child if she wanted to stay with this subject, or choose
someone else, perhaps her mother or father. The student expressed her
desire to keep Jesus as her hero, and the teacher replied, “Okay, that
will be fine.”
I have no doubt in my mind that were this Muhammad and not Jesus, the Blaze and
all it's conservative followers would be equally outraged.
I am sorry… but this is a case of cherry picking stories. Living in
North Carolina, and having kids who have and still are in public schools
here…. I can tell you this story is not indicative of any trend or
normality out here. Two years ago when my father in law died, my then 4th
graders teacher offered up a moment of silence and recommended the kids say a
prayer for my son that he will do well in his grief for his loss. There were
no complaints. There were no upset parents.Everywhere you look, on
most any subject, if you look long enough you will find someone who will in
their own discretion cross a line. To pretend this foretells some headlong dive
into anti-christiandome is to be seeking signs of persecution. Each religion or
faith, or evenlack there of, can tell these very same stories.Yes,
we need to be vigilant in protecting our rights… but lets not get carried
away, because I can tell you as one who has both students and a spouse who are
part of the North Carolina education, this story is not indicative of anything
happening out here.
Jesus is a legitimate hero for an 8 year old. I recall that Gene Autry was my
hero at the time and was the one I would try to emulate. I knew about Jesus
from my Sunday school class and my mothers admonitions about what Jesus would do
or not do, but somehow Jesus did not really fit in my world.Having
recently discovering that the really big hero of children, that guy with the red
hat and white beard, was just an imaginary hero I turned to the action heroes of
the real world. Not only was there Gene Autry, Roy Rogers, and the Lone Ranger,
but a whole raft of guys starting with Super Man, Bat Man and Robin, etc.
It would be hard to imagine a better hero, other than God himself,
than Jesus for any one at any age. But religion tends to go beyond the bounds
of imaginary and uses its power to control its believers. And it is this that
we must protect ourselves from.
Badger,As long as she wrote about Jesus, the historical figure, you
are correct. What is known about Jesus' life, however, is pretty light.
He was born in Bethlehem. Joseph was a carpenter so he probably was too. He
became a rabbi. The leaders of the church were afraid his teachings would bring
the wrath of Rome down on them so they pressured Rome to put him to death.
Doesn't sound like it would be long enough to qualify as an actual essay.
There's 300 million stories in the naked continent. You pick one. You
stereotype it into an epidemic based on the Blaze and you expect me to take you
seriously? I would dare wager that after accumulating all evidence the shoe is
really on the other foot.
So let me get this straight. The right wing believes that the state of education
has nothing to do with the terrible pay given to educators, the rise in Spanish
speakers (which big corp loves), the decline of teaching unions, the
ineffectiveness of vouchers, the failures of race to the top and NCLB, the large
class sizes, the endless standardized tests, the micromanaging of republican
state legislatures, the ridiculous grading systems, the lack of accountability
from parents, the lack of respect for teachers, the demand that evolution be
taught along with creationism, the endless berating of education by right wing
media, and the overall lack of focus on academic achievement?According to the right, none of this is responsible for the state of
education?All of it is attributed to taking prayer out of school?Wow
@HaHaHaHa"We probably haven't been the world leader in education,
since the "thinking" among us forced us to remove prayer from
schools."The vast majority of the nations that passed us have
even lower levels of religiosity than we do so that hypothesis is illogical.
Finally one of our liberal masterminds got it right. Although it's probably
not entirely accurate, he states that the US is "brining" up the rear in
math, reading, science and everything else. Then he recognizes it has nothing to
do with Jesus. We probably haven't been the world leader in education,
since the "thinking" among us forced us to remove prayer from schools.
How many other students had their hero rejected and disallowed? None! So yes,
this was religious discrimination and persecution, against a child, no less.Those who say it isn't, should be ashamed of yourselves, cheering
on the humiliation of a child.Whether you are a Christian or not,
Jesus lived and was a historic figure. He helped many and harmed no one. There
is no earthly reason why a student cannot write about him as her hero.
"By not allowing this girl to write about Jesus, the education system is
giving an unrealistic view of the world to the students. If this is allowed to
persist, I believe our education system will ultimately fail.'Have you looked close Tyler. The US is brining up the rear in math, reading,
the sciences and just about everything else of importance and it has nothing to
do with Jesus. Talk about an unrealistic view of the world.
We have here another example of imaginary religious persecution.Try
actually reading her homework assignment requirements. It isn't about just
writing about "who" her hero is, it's also asking her to write
about the "what," "when, "where" and "how" of that
makes a person a hero. The girl's submitted draft, which was rejected by
the teacher, did not explain who Jesus was, when and where he lived, or what he
did and how those things make Jesus a hero. When the girl expressed an
unwillingness/inability to write about Jesus that way, the teacher suggested she
try a different person as an example of a hero.The religious outrage
echo chamber is all over this story, but the truth is nowhere to be found in it.
"Whether anybody likes it or not, religion plays a big role, if not the
biggest role, in human culture"The role religion has and
continues to play is as a deterrent to pluralistic progress. It has reliably
served as a lens through which peoples have viewed the world, but often a
pernicious and inaccurate lens that perpetuates myths about other groups and
cultures. Our evolved educational system serves to dispel many of those myths in
order to promote the common good, resulting in better opportunities for communal
trust, commerce, political participation, poverty alleviation, etc. We
absolutely should encourage learning religion in schools under the category of
philosophy, separate from the other more critical areas of learning. There is
nothing noble about screeching and braying at the slightest perceived offense in
life, because as the adage goes, life will go on.