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Published: Thursday, March 27 2014 10:40 p.m. MDT

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U 90
Corona, CA

Interesting that the coaching staff is sinking the majority of the reps in to a QB who's future is still uncertain and a final decision won't be made on him until June. Perhaps the staff knows more than they are leading on regarding Travis being cleared for fall camp.

If Schulz is still locked in a battle for the #2 spot, I'm worried about the QB position. Surprises me that both Manning and Cox haven't surpassed him by now.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

U 90:

I'm surprised as well. I thought that the battle for #2/#3 would be a Manning/Cox showdown; not a Manning/Schulz one. And especially considering the type of Offense Christensen is trying to run. I believe that Manning will prove to be our best "pure passer", but Christensen's system would favor a more mobile QB -- ala Cox and eventual OU-transfer Thompson. I really didn't see Schulz doing much more than holding a clipboard.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

Well it isn't like the utah coaching staff is noted for making very good decisions with the QB position.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

Nothing about recruiting, coaching or depth chart leads me to believe that 2014 will be any better than 2013.

I don't argue that the Utes have a tough schedule, one that they are not up to. Looks like another 5-7 season at best. Although I'm predicting 4-8.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

CFiT, you also saw nothing in the basketball team's recruiting, coaching or depth chart that led you to believe they'd reach 2013's 5-13 conference record. I'm content to let the team develop and play games before I judge them.

U 90
Corona, CA

CFIT,

I'm glad you are predicting regression for the Utes because there has been a huge gap between your past prognostications and reality. Remember the time you said Utah's basketball team would regress in Coach LK's 3rd year after the loss of Washburn & DuBois? I'll dig up your old posts if you want me to. Just let me know.

Whatever you do, please continue to predict gloom and doom for Utah. It seems to be our good luck charm.

Wookie
Omaha, NE

Duckhunter, we don't always agree, but your comment today is spot on.

Go UTES!
Go Cougs!

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@stg and u90

Not to be argumentative but are you guys trying to claim utah had more than 10 legit wins in basketball this season? Other than the 9 pac12 wins, some of which wheren't all that great of wins themselves (see washington state), and the BYU win which of those wins really count as an indicator that utah is improved all that much?

By my count utah legitimately improved by maybe 2 wins over the previous season, yes that is technically "improvement" but is it really all that much? Remember they actually were worse at the end of this season than last season when they actually made a small run in the pac12 tourney, this year they got drummed out of it in humiliating fashion.

Those home wins over the worst teams in college basketball do not count for anything, they do not indicate anything, they have no meaning. It seems to me utah "fans" are looking at the win total and ignoring who most of the wins were against.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Duckhunter, did I say anything about the nonconference games? Those were all games they were expected to win, and did (although last year they lost to several of those types of teams in nonconference, so yes, that is still improvement over last year). But no, the nonconference didn't show much of anything to base the team's talent level from, but the conference schedule did. And it wasn't "maybe 2 wins" improvement, it was a 4 win improvement in the regular season, when almost the entire conference was better this year than last year. The loss to Zona in Vegas was embarrassing, by far their worst performance of the season, but it was also against one of the top 4 teams in the country. Last season the team had 10 losses to non-NCAA tournament teams, this year 4, and the strength of schedules were pretty similar. I never called the team world-beaters in any sense, but it's obvious to anyone else who saw the team last year and this year how much improved they are.

Silent Lurker
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@ Vet It is quite possible that the coaching staff is using Schulz to push Manning (Ala competition wise). I agree beyond a doubt Manning is the best pure passer. He is athletic enough to make defenses respect his ability to move the pocket around.Remember he is only a red shirt freshman and will need some seasoning in DC's offense. He also makes the best reads including Wilson.

@ Ducky and Cougfan
Say what you want about Utah's win loss record but remember that they own your cougs. Four in a row and three to go--start living with that reality.

Max-was-right
springville, UT

All these great QB's and no bowl game for them to play in. Whitt is gone after three straight years of no bowling.

Wonder if Dr. Hill will hire BJ back as the head coach?

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@silent lurker

utah just beat BYU for the first time in 8 tries and only the second time in 14 tries. That is hardly 4 in a row or "own"ing BYU. In fact the opposite is far closer to the truth. lol

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@stg

I agree that utah improved, but I think utah "fans" put to much credence into the win total when the truth is the win total is really far less than the actual number. yes they won those games but they were against the absolutely worst teams that college basketball has to offer, they just don't count for anything. In reality utah was about a 10 win team this year, and a 10 loss team. If they had played a half decent OOC schedule they might have gone .500 in those games and that still would have made them at best a .500 team, I'd say it is likely they would have been sub .500.

Yes you can look and say they are getting better but they are a long way from being good or NCAA worthy which is the standard for judging "good". That win total this year is a sham.

U 90
Corona, CA

Duckhunter,

Utah's Sagarin rating improved from 116 to 47. BPI improved from 111 to 37. RPI improvement was 159 to 82.

U 90
Corona, CA

Duckhunter,

Despite all the BYU "fan" talk about Utah's weak schedule this year, the Utes actually finished with a 69 SOS vs. BYU's 63.

What we didn't hear you and the other Y "fans" last year was that BYU's SOS was 111 while Utah's was 41.

StGtoSLC
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Duckhunter, "In reality" the records show differently. However validated you may feel in your opinion, it is still just that: your opinion. Your prognostications on what a team's record "would have" been if they played different teams is as hypothetical and unfounded as the one who said the following:

"But I think it's going to be rough sledding in 2013/14. There is nobody in the pipeline to replace the stats of Washburn and Dubois. And there's no top tier talent to support Loveridge. Loveridge will be a one man show. But with all the young recruits, this could be the start of rebuilding, U've been referring to the last two years."

Regarding both football and basketball: 5 and 7 months before their seasons start is too early for anyone to know anything about how a team will do the next season. To CFiT's credit, he actually comes back and acknowledges when his predictions are off, which separates him from a lot of other fans, which makes classy, civil rivalry jesting with him possible.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Duck is right. The decision we made to go with the scrappy lefty from Logan was fantastic.

pocyUte
Pocatello, ID

Ernest

That was hilarious.

Scrappy Lefty..love it.

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