The accuser must be held accountable for the destruction she has caused this
poor man and his family. She lied under oath at pretrial; this is called
perjury. Why isn't she being prosecuted for this? What's the point of
"the oath" if lying means nothing? The accuser is 18, so at the very
least, name her. Name her in Utah and name her in her new state. Ortega openly acknowledges they drop cases only if they can’t win them,
regardless of the truth. This response is disgusting, especially from a pulic
servant. How is this serving society in any way? Sounds like we voters and
taxpayers need to demand a better system and clean house of these shameful
practices. The truth is not irrelevant! Destroying an innocent
person's life is not irrelevant! False accusations of abuse (sexual or
other) happen because people (and most definitely kids) know exactly where their
power lies. Where is Mr. Green's justice? How is he to pay for his legal
bills? How will he and his family ever recover? Show some accountability!!
Our Law Enforcement and "Justice" System is bRoKeN if public
"servants" are more concerned about conviction rates than justice
itself. When convict-at-all-costs attitudes destroy lives and scare away
volunteers from offering the very help that is most needed in the lives of
trouble teens, the system needs to be reformed and a thorough housecleaning
needs to take place among some civil "servants".
It used to be a maxim of criminal law that it's better to let ten guilty
people go free than to falsely convict one; somehow, however, the opposite
became true in sex-abuse cases. And it doesn't require a conviction to
destroy an innocent person. This whole notion of ruining the accused
person's life, and only ~then~ dropping the charges because (a) the accuser
has major credibility issues, and (b) there is no corroborating physical
evidence (but lots of exculpatory circumstantial evidence), sets the concept of
justice on its ear. The probability of obtaining a conviction is rightly a
concern for assistant DAs, but that determination can be made a ~lot~ earlier in
most cases than it often is. Is it ~that~ for which prosecutors should be held
I know it. I Live it. I Love it: if you read the article you read that they DID
take precautions... he was NEVER alone with this girl. Most likely she blamed
him because he turned her down. I understand their arresting him because it is
to protect the "child" but more often than not, they in my opinion jump
way too fast instead of getting more information. This man, no matter what has
lost his life and reputation as well as his families. There should be some kind
of restitution. It really upsets me that they take the, "oops, sorry dude,
now try and go on with your life" attitude. There should be sanctions
against the prosecutor and police for acting first then investigating. Why
aren't they going after this girl? She most likely has no way to monetarily
paying him back, but why no prison time herself? I hope his Ward, family
neighbors, and friends will rally behind him and understand SHE LIED!! Plus I
don't blame him for not wanting to have this happen again... Something
needs to change.
Many comments here demonstrate a basic misunderstanding of the criminal justice
system -- one that makes this travesty even worse! Yes, we have an adversary
system in which the truth is supposed to come out by heaving opposing sides
present their cases from a unilateral point of view -- but that's in a
CIVIL case. In criminal law, the defendant's attorney is tasked with
representing his client "zealously within the bounds of the law." The
prosecutor's mandate, on the other hand, is to "seek justice."
Bullying possibly (or probably) innocent people to plead guilty to a lessor
charge because the evidence is flimsy is not seeking justice. What we need is
some cases where a judge will rule that this type of prosecution rises to the
level of proprietorial misconduct and sovereign immunity no longer applies.
Meaning the prosecutor is individually accountable. Some have suggested going
after the state for a huge judgment. That's an option, but it just means
the victim's neighbors tax money pays for the improper state action. But
then, who would take a job with the DA? Tough issues that cannot be solved with
the current abysmal state of our society.
It is very tragic when troubled children have so many problems that anyone that
goes near them can be sucked into the storm of their lives.
Similar situation happened to my older brother. Very fortunate he was not sent
to prison. What happens when the accused cannot afford a good defence or the
services of a private investigator. In many instances innocent people are
convicted. John Grisham's "An Innocent Man" is an excellent book
about an innocent man nearly to put to death by the state of Oklahoma.
In this case a civil lawsuit might be more important than not; it will allow the
facts to be brought out. If the innuendo of the young woman was enough to
convict him in the court of public opinion, then perhaps the facts presented in
the open, in court, can exonerate him. The monetary compensation, I think,
would be of a secondary concern. IMHO
I cannot fathom what horrific suffering and anguish this awful legalistic
nightmare process has caused. Who should now be punished more? I am not
thankful to not have to be the judge of that.Perhaps too much damage
has already been inflicted on too many lives. This is obviously yet another
case of tragic pyrrhic "justice".Everybody it has touched
This girl needs to be brought back to Utah and prosecuted. These types of false
accusations should result in prison time. There is nothing amusing about this
kind of behavior when persons life is ruined by lies.
To:Know it, live it, love itNot everything is going to fit into your
tidy little world. Cut this man some slack, you have not been through what he
has been through.
What are the next steps that I, or we, can take in order to prevent this from
happening again? Who do I contact? And what can we do to ensure those involved
in this receive reprimand and/or legal justice?
There is a case very similar to this that has been going in Cache for almost 4
years. The adult male is claiming innocence, the now 20 something male
"alleged victim" has no credibility at all. Yet the prosecutors continue
to hound this poor guy and refuse to drop 5 first degree felony charges.
Shortly after the preliminary hearing, the 16yo teen was caught in the act with
another 40+ year old male. The second guy was initially charged with felonies,
fired from his job as a math professor at the USU, but after he produced text
and email messages proving the the kid lied about his age and that the kid
actually had naked pictures all over the net and on gay adult web sites looking
for sex and claiming that he was 19, the charges were dropped. Yet they never
dropped the charges against the first guy even though the judge exonerated his
bail 2 years ago when he found out the prosecutors had deleted the original
recording of the interview that started the entire investigation. That judge has
since retired. It is being heard by another. Hopefully he can force the
Prosecutors hand. But, how does the accused ever get his life back?
@Cougar 11 - you can look up the statistics easy enough. Regarding the article,
there is nothing in it to suggest the DA and police didn't do their work
appropriately. They are required to present a credible case and certainly not
supposed to do the defenses' work. Without commenting on Mr. Green, what
I'm reacting to is the underlying current of victimology, i.e. that men in
general are the real victims here. If that's the card that's being
played, then victimization women and children in a patriarchal society should
also be taken into account.
Bountiful needs a new district attorney. One that is so quick to arrest without
all the information isn't good. This man deserves restitution...through
In this day and age all a kid has to do is cry wolf and the cavalry will believe
it. There is a kid's word vs an adults and the kid always seems to get the
benefit of the doubt. These types of cases are poorly investigated by law
enforcement and prosecutors. They are, as is the legislature, our there to
champion the child claiming sexual harassment. The kid (in this case now an
adult) can, with confidence that there will be no consequences for lying, say
what they want. They are not as naive as one may think. Civil suits claiming
libel are devilish hard to win.This man's life is permanently
damaged (contrary to 'I know it. I Live it. I Love it.' above) Every
time a background check where the Internet is used will show this guy was
charged with a child sex crime. That the charges were dismissed is
irrelevant.The Davis County DA needs to make the accuser, the
prosecutor, and investigating officers examples of, and file appropriate charges
or appropriate disciplinarian actions. All should be public. But it won't
The Deseret News should take down the original article of his arrest. The
accusitory nature and the presumption of guilt is thick. It would be better for
the man and his family if the only article that showed up on the internet was
the one showing that all charges had been dropped. It is bad enough the stigma
that will follow him around the local area, Having the internet follow you
around the rest of your life with that as the first article along with his mug
shot that pops up when goggled will obviously create unfair bias to future
employers ect.. It is the least you could do. If not at least get rid of the
mug shots. They themselves are a huge tool for the prosecutors when finding a
jury that has seen the article and makes it through the screening process.
One of a few: What credible study states that 5 out of every 100 rapes or
molestations are reported? Let's use logic just a little bit. How would
someone estimate something like this? To what scientific measure could they
possibly point to? And even if by chance this statistic actually stood up to
inspection what would that have to do with this? A largess story of multiple
incidents in an accusation that didn't even stand up to the simplest
detective work completed by his attorney instead of the public servants cost
this guy nearly everything? I want all innocent victems of such a maliscious
accusation to not have to cost them nearly everything to prove their innocence.
I want the police and the prosecuting officers to use just a little bit of
common sense and realize that the hurdle for moving forward to prosecution
should be incredibly high before we ruin a persons life and there are no
statistics that can restore this man's family and community trust to him.
It's not just this man that is hurt. His one daughter is in counseling,
another won't talk about it. This clearly has a lasting effect on others as
What is wrong with the public servants in this state? Police officers
escallating situations and applying threats and viloence instead of
communication as a tool. Prosecuters not caring about the facts only about
winning, no matter the cost. A family who may never heal completely because you
have to prove yourself innocent instead of the system proving you are guilty.
Men in this country are guity by accusation for child and spouse abuse.
It's disgusting, sad and accepted by our community. Overzealous
prosecutors and police need to be held accountable. Protect and serve people,
protect and serve! What changes a person; our public servants to act with such
disregard to right and wrong? I hate to paint them all with one brush, but
there are so many that lost sight of what their jobs are and treat people so
poorly; I've lost faith in them and the system. I would advise no person
to answer a single question without an attorney present from any law enforcement
official. Too many power hungry, self serving members of that community hurt
those that deserve our respect.
Unfortunately there are enough cases like this where the accuser is telling the
truth that an innocent man can be treated as if he is guilty just because
someone accuses him. The police, the media, the public, and the prosecution
assume a "guilty until proven innocent" attitude instead of an
"innocent until proven guilty" attitude. So basically any male teacher,
coach, religious leader, or even someone who just is trying to help someone out
is at risk for being falsely accused if a female minor so chooses for whatever
reason. But at the same time, sexual abuse is a real problem so we need to take
accusations seriously. It is a complicated issue.
Looks like somebody should be investigated for malfeasance.
airnaut said "Like the Salem Witch trials, stories of young girls making
false accusations..."Yes, exactly! This is a revisiting of
Salem. Few are aware that bodies were exhumed from Salem to learn where those
false allegations came from. They found ergot poisoning to be the cause of the
delusions that led to those false allegations. It was coming from the ergot
fungus growing on the grain they were eating. Ergot fungus is the base for LSD,
a hallucinogen. LSD produces its hallucinogenic effects by mimicking
the neurotransmitter serotonin - the same neurotransmitter antidepressants are
designed to increase in the brain. So as the serotonin levels rise from the
antidepressant effect you can produce a similar effect in the brain as if under
the influence of LSD. None of what we are seeing with these false
allegations everywhere should surprise us! This would make this young girl a
victim as well if she was medicated. It would appear so since the description of
her behaviors before and after the allegations have all been reported as adverse
reactions to antidepressants. And the FDA has warned that the worst of these
reactions are doubled in children and youth under 25.
I appreciate the comment of "Criminal Defense Team." I agree with all of
it, with one exception. I take exception to the sentence, "The police and
prosecutor must have thought Mr. Green was guilty, which they always assume at
the onset of a case (it's their job) . . .."It is not the
"job" of the police or the prosecutor to "always assume" the
guilt of the accused. Police and prosecutors routinely listen to both sides of
an accusation of criminal behavior and decline to take action if the
accuser's story makes no sense when compared with the accused's
explanation. Their "job" is to uphold justice; if needed, they should
investigate and obtain additional evidence before filing charges solely on the
strength of a troubled teen's unproven and strongly disputed
accusations.One can imagine any number of reasons why the case was
dismissed--the accuser has recanted her story, or she now refuses to testify, or
a psychiatric evaluation indicates she's a compulsive liar, etc. The public
needs more facts to evaluate the wrongfulness of this prosecution.
Lot of odd anger issues in this post. The prosecution has to prove its case
beyond a reasonable doubt. If it can't meet this burden it makes sense to
drop the case but that in no way clears the perps. From the article, I
haven't any idea whether Mr. Green is innocent or if the girl is lying.
The best that can be said is the partys have an opportunity to move on. But it
seems to me if we are going to express communal outrage, it should be tempered
with the understanding that it is estimated that only 5 out of every 100 rapes
and molestations are ever reported. In our outrage regarding this matter, men
should also hope the good lord,our women and our children never actually hold us
to account for the violence out society makes women and children put up with.
So normally in a sex abuse case, if somebody questions the story or motives of
the accuser, they are immediately accused of sexism and "blaming the
victim". Any attempts to get at the truth are silenced in the name of
political correctness.This, of course, makes it much easier for somebody
like this girl to fake a story and immediately, reflexively be believed.Then, if the truth ever does come out, trust is lost in the system and in the
people who bring charges, which makes it harder for legitimate victims to come
forward. It leads to large portions of the public doubting the veracity of sex
abuse cases and even instinctively blaming the victims.Then those who
doubt these cases are silenced in the name of anti-sexism and political
correctness, then somebody else fakes a story...And the cycle goes
on. Exhibit A in "Things that are wrong with the world."
It's a sad state of affairs when mere accusations from a troubled girl are
enough to ruin a man's life and put him in prison indefinitely. No proof,
no physical evidence, no witnesses required - your 'testimony' is all
it takes. If I was a girl with any kind of ax to grind against a man, I
can't think of an easier or more effective means to take him out.This very thing happened in my community to a good man with no previous
criminal record. A troubled young woman accused him of sexual abuse without ANY
evidence besides her own 'memories'. 16 years later, the man still
sits in prison because he refuses to admit to a crime he didn't commit.Utah prosecutors have proven again and again in these kinds of cases
that they're not even remotely interested in serving justice - they're
only interested in winning and getting a conviction.God help you in
this state if you're a man and are ever so much as accused of impropriety
by a girl or young woman.
This is the very reason why we have "Innocent until proven guilty."
Unfortunately, with trial by press, popular opinoin, and the complete flushing
of our privacy rights, that is no longer the way our legal system works. The
Legal System is so busy engaging in CYA out of fear some legitimate victim might
eventually prove true abuse, that they treat EVERYONE like criminals. It is a very troubling and sad time to be in law enforcement or a citizen
helper--or in any sort of position of trust.
Steven, I am so sorry this happened to you. I am a 38 year veteran teacher, and
I know how vicious kids can be who are emotionally sick. I knew of two single
mothers whose boys came out accusing them of sexual abuse which was far from the
truth, but both mothers' lives were damaged forever. The prosecution team
and, specifically, Christine Ortega should bear some accountability and
responsibility for the damage of Mr. Green's life and for not getting to
the bottom of this girl's stories. Did they have no suspicion or did they
just not think that the girl might be lying? This horror story will always be
with Steven and, had the prosecution been looking closely and intent on
confirming the "stories" Steven Green's innocent and honest life
would not be scarred with such trash. Who really was abused in this case? Yes,
Prosecutorial misconduct must be considered in this case. Zealous prosecutors
wanting another notch on their gun must follow the rules of evidence, which were
lacking in this case. Don't be surprised at a counter suit.
Eliot - the truth is that the DA's generally take a "bleed them and
plead them" approach to these kinds of cases. As a result, you can't
equate a person taking a plea (and thus being considered a convicted molester)
with truly being a molester. This skews any statistics really badly. Of course,
DA's won't tell you this. Studies show false accusation rates anywhere
from 25% to up to 60% when you factor in plea bargains. Child
abuse/sex crimes are awful, and must be prosecuted, but there is no common sense
applied to these prosecutions. Thus the system gets flooded and dollars and time
are wasted. What I wonder is how many of the real offenders actually get off
because of the shoddy police work, terrible therapists and over protective
families... at the end of the day, every false case probably contributes the the
dismissal or misdemeanor plea of a real abuser.
Unfortunately prosecutors and law enforcement have immunity unless you can
demonstrate malice or gross negligence in their actions. Might be tough unless
they failed to investigate his locations at the time she made accusations. I
hope he is successful if he chooses to sue the city, he needs some compensation
for his losses.
I hope the media will now provide exculpatory coverage for Mr. Green like they
undoubtedly did damning him when he was accused and as the case progressed. It
is unfortunate that there are likely no assets for him to pursue in a claim
against his false accuser. His damage will go on and on and she goes scott free.
"Whether or not the witness is lying, that's not the issue here,"
she said.That is the central issue when a case centers on what the
witness said, with no forensic evidence to support the case. The prosecutor
would do well to consider the words of Justice William O. Douglas: "The
function of the prosecutor under the federal Constitution is not to tack as many
skins of victims as possible against the wall. His function is to vindicate the
rights of the people as expressed in the laws and give those accused of crime a
fair trial."Here, we have a prosecutor who clearly feels that
her role is to obtain as many convictions as possible, regardless of what the
evidence shows, taking advantage of the fact that prosecutors have absolute
immunity under the law when prosecuting and cannot be sued.
After 25 years of testifying in these cases I can tell you they are far too
common anymore with the common denominator being antidepressant use by the false
accuser. First the infamous case in Wenatchee, Washington in the mid
90's. I warned in a public lecture documented by BBC that if they did not
stop the mass prescribing of antidepressants to children by Dr. Jim Goodwin,
dubbed by the media as the Pied Piper of Prozac, they would have false
accusations of abuse all over town. This case appeared six months later and
resulted in Washington state paying out $100 Million for falsely imprisoning 143
innocent citizens when the foster child (10) of the police chief on
antidepressants made false allegations. The Primary president and her husband
spent two years in prison. That case alone should have woken up society. The Duke University case also involved antidepressant use and the
accuser has now been imprisoned for killing her boyfriend last year.Utah has had many of these cases resulting in many innocent people being
imprisoned because accusations are often all it takes. As you see by this
prosecutor's statement truth is not always the issue in our court system.
Like the Salem Witch trials, stories of young girls making false
accusations...I'm glad with guy wasn't drowned.He should sue, His consitutitonal Right of "Innocent until proven
guilty" has been clearly violated.
Know what I'd do?I'd sue the prosecutor, Cristina Ortega
AND this girl and I'd draw up the paperwork immediately......I'm
talkin' grabbing my pen and the paperwork to start the ball rolling in the
next 2.7 seconds. I'd sue for the cost of legal fees AND at least $1
million in emotional damages. I usually despise lawsuits claiming emotional
damage but not in this situation.No, I'm not vindictive, but I
would demand "justice", not only for me but also for innocent people who
will most assuredly be hurt in the future by the immoral state prosecutor who is
on public record now as saying that "lying" does not matter and this
destructive young woman who danged near put an innocent man in jail for
Although false accusations do occur, I do not believe it is often. We have a
system of justice that is imperfect because it is run by imperfect people. We
have to live with human error every day in some form or another. Not knowing
all of the facts of the case I cannot comment on what disciplinary action should
be taken against the prosecutor but I think we need to be careful about calling
for criminal charges. In many cases we want prosecutors to be aggressive in
taking criminals off the street and out of our neighborhoods. Holding
prosecutors criminally liable when they make mistakes would put a serious damper
on their ability to be aggressive. How would we feel about an overly cautious
prosecutor who, fearing possible criminal consequences for themselves, failed to
bring charges against someone who subsequently committed additional crimes? I
am very sorry for this man who was wrongly accused but wrongful prosecution is
one of the prices we pay for our system of justice.
Let me offer a different perspective. Remember she was 13 when she lied.
Don't make the same mistake twice. The people to blame are the parents,
police, therapists and justice system who coddled her in the initial lie she
told. I would not be surprised if, after several years of reinforcement and
suggestion, that the girl believes what she says. The parents are guilty, in my
mind, of child abuse. They allowed an already screwed up little kid to
perpetuate a lie without question. Thus she actually because a victim by their
inaction. The police (always biased towards victims), therapists, DA.. all were
in a place to stop this and help her rather than let he proceed down this rat
hole. This child was run up the flagpole of abuse by idiots who don't
consider their actions. That would be called negligence. I vote for a special
prosecutor to come in and look at this from a child abuse angle and arrest and
charge anyone who participated the ongoing abuse of this little girl.Don't make the same leaps of logic that were made with green in the first
place. Hold the right people accountable.
I believe Cristina misspoke and didn't mean to imply that telling a lie
doesn't matter. I believe she meant that believing someone is lying is
pretty hard to prove so saying "it doesn't matter" meant that
neither side could prove or disprove that, up to that point. However, the new
evidence that was presented must have been pretty concrete in clearing Mr.
Green, otherwise Cristina would have offered a deal for lesser charges.
That's the standard approach. I'm working on another similar case
where we now have some evidence that the alleged victim is lying - which the
judge accepted - so Cristina offered a deal for lesser charges, dropping the
felony to misdemeanor charges. The police and prosecutor must have thought Mr.
Green was guilty, which they always assume at the onset of a case (it's
their job), and the new evidence surfaced during the pretrial stage which
completely cleared him. What bothers me about this story, besides poor Mr.
Green's life being ruined over the past year, is that Cristina didn't
admit that the new evidence cleared his name.
Article quote: "When asked whether all charges were dropped because of doubt
about the girl's story, prosecutor Cristina Ortega responded with a firm
and simple, "No." Ortega maintains the case was dismissed because new
evidence surfaced through pretrial hearings indicating the prosecution might not
be successful in a trial. "Whether or not the witness is lying, that's
not the issue here," she said."Good grief!If the
star/main plaintiff LYING in a criminal court case is not the the MAIN issue,
what the heck is?If anyone wants to know why lawyers in America are
generally viewed with absolute disgust and contempt, here's reason #1.
This happens all too often. I know of a case in Ogden a few years ago where a
woman who was separated from her husband, drove to his house and spent the night
with him. Then in the morning they got into an argument and she drove to the
corner gas station and called the police and accused him of raping her.
Unfortunately for this guy, he did not have the resources that Mr. Green had
availaboe to defend himself, and was left with a public defender who did very
little to defend him. This ruined his life. He spent time in the state prison,
and will be branded as a sex offender for the rest of his life.In the
minds of prosecutors; if a woman or girl says it, it must be true, and all men
Narrow-minded prosecutors harm the justice system when they zealously prosecute
without reason, as was done here. Ortega compounds her wrongdoing by minimizing
her role and declining even to apologize. Ego-driven prosecutors often overlook
their duty to uphold justice while they seek to elevate their personal
conviction rate.Lying "victims" typically have deep-seated
mental problems, borderline personality disorders, and paranoia. Their
perception of reality and the truth is tenuous. It's difficult to detect
these problems initially.Durham County Prosecutor Mike Nifong was
disbarred for his wrongful prosecution of the Duke LaCrosse players for the
"rape" of the lying stripper, Crystal Mangum. The city/county/State
needs to look into Ortega's actions and report their findings to the
citizens concerning just how legitimate or wrongful her judgment and actions
were in this case.
To: Troy Rawlings, Davis County AttorneyFrom: A Davis County
voterRe: Prosecution of Steven GreenDear Mr.
Rawlings:Fire Cristina Ortega NOW!Sincerely,FelisConcolor
The PA should be giving this man and his family a big apology and covering all
expenses for this witch hunt. The girl needs to be prosecuted for
everything she put this man through.
Can the individual prosecutors be identified, pursued, arrested, publicly
humiliated, charged with felonies and lose their jobs and their reputations so
that justice can be satisfied in this case?
IMHO, This prosecutor should be immediately fired!
I remember years ago the story of the Brighton High School baseball coach who
was accused of fondling a girl in class during a movie being shown in class. He
got dragged through the mud for months and finally the girl recanted her story
because it didn't add up and he got exonorated. He was totally innocent
but the cops didn't worry about the holes in her story. How did this coach
get his reputation back? The article telling about charges dropped was a small
article on the back page.
The accuser needs to be held accountable for what she has done to this man and
his family. It's concerning to me that the prosecutor in the case
apparently plans to just let the whole thing drop. Mr. Green, the victim, may
choose to do nothing to the accuser but the "legal system" certainly
This is very sad!"When asked whether all charges were dropped
because of doubt about the girl's story, prosecutor Cristina Ortega
responded with a firm and simple, "No."Ortega maintains the
case was dismissed because new evidence surfaced through pretrial hearings
indicating the prosecution might not be successful in a trial."Whether or not the witness is lying, that's not the issue here,"
"It's the evidence that would have come forward at trial that I think
would have affected the ability to get a conviction at trial."So
Christina Ortega didn't doubt the girl's story, she just didn't
think she could win the case? So winning the case is more important than the
truth? Christina Ortega should be sharply reprimanded with the warning if
anything like this ever happens again she will be fired and not be able to
practice law any more. I believe in second chances. If this is more than the
first time this has happened, she should be fired immediately and lose her
PRIVILEGE to practice law!
This is a case of criminal misconduct by the girl making false charges, and a
state official who refuses to recognize that lies and false charges require
swift dismissal of all charges. The next story should be about the
resignation of the prosecutor, and the filing of criminal charges against the
false accuser. She is 18 now, so name her and let people in her new location be
warned of her attempt to destroy a good and decent man (and his family) who did
nothing worse than to attempt to help a troubled teen.Mr.
Green's persecution by the media and an overzealous prosecutor should be a
stark warning that our justice system has been toppled by the corrosive effects
of political correctness. Unsubstantiated allegation misconduct is
automatically accepted as irrefutable proof of criminal conduct.One
comment above suggested Mr. Green is paranoid, but you are not paranoid if
someone is actually out to get you, and the story proves that. No amount of
defensive action can prove a negative, so Mr. Green must be forgive his prudent
refusal to have anything to do with coaching, mentoring, or tutoring. Sue the prosecutor and the accuser for his legal fees!
I've been in a similar spot in my own family over similar problems.
Fortunately in our case it didn't go on for so long. Because of it,
however, I do feel the pressure of trying to maintain a balance on the matter;
we have to stop abuse against children, but we CAN NOT abuse innocents on the
false accusations of children-especially not children knowingly and willingly
departing from a normal, healthy family structure.Granted, all I
know of this case is what's said in this one article here. Assuming it is
true, however, she's done a life-affecting disservice to other abandoned
youth who genuinely desire and seek help, particularly through adoption.
This story is very troubling. The "related story" from last July was so
detailed and certain, Mr. Green was virtually convicted in that news account.
We will never know if there was any substance to the
teen-ager's claims, but adults, especially men, are too vulnerable and
almost defenseless to charges like those described in the July 2013 news
article. The police probably responded appropriately to the original charges,
and the prosecutors did their jobs, as well. But greater care should be taken by
courts, police and especially media not to ruin a person's life when the
claims are as yet unproven.
This happened to a man here in the NW accused of victimizing a child in his
Primary class--during Sharing Time--who was very careful never to be alone with
a student or any female (allegedly molested her in a room full of children and
adults). The entire ward was tainted by the Stake President calling him a sinner
publicly right after his arrest. The child's story changed and grew over
the course of the pre-trial period (obviously coached by mom, who had been a
victim as a young person). He was not a wealthy man and could not hire a good
lawyer and was convicted even though the accusations were ridiculous to anyone
who'd served in Primary. He is a good kind man who is ministering to others
in prison. I'm so glad this man didn't share the same fate.
The Japanese government released a prisoner yesterday who had been on death row
for 48 years. It finally came to light, after 48 years, that police had acted
improperly and prosecutors were hell bent on consisting someone regardless of
evidence. When over zealous prosecutions or investigations ruin a mob's (a
family's) life, there should be consequences to follow. Everyone should be
responsible for their actions. Who will give the japanese prisoner his lost
life back to him? Who will make restitution for the harm done to this
man's reputation and his ability to provide for his family. Charges were
dropped but suspicions will always remain.
What an unfortunate story. I guess the old saying "Let no good deed go
unpunished" applies in this case. I think the girl needs to undergo a
psychiatric evaluation. If she passes, she needs to be prosecuted for lying
under oath. If she fails, she needs to be detained in a psych ward so she
doesn't hurt anyone else.
"Whether or not the witness is lying, that's not the issue here,"
she said.That's a bit concerning.
"Ortega maintains the case was dismissed because new evidence surfaced
through pretrial hearings indicating the prosecution might not be successful in
a trial."Whether or not the witness is lying, that's not
the issue here," she said. "It's the evidence that would have come
forward at trial that I think would have affected the ability to get a
conviction at trial."The witness lying is "not the
issue?" If that isn't an important issue, I don't know what is!Prosecution might not be "successful?" Is this just a way of
saying they knew they were wrong and didn't want to admit it? Sounds like
that to me.
klr56-- My experience is that law Enforcement acts in behalf
of the first party allegations in order to "protect the innocent", and
assume that the court will determine the truth (justice will be served). The DA
and Courts presume that LE is accurate and correct, and the jury (including your
neighbors and friends) approach the entire affair with the attitude that if you
are charged then you are guilty. It is a very difficult process to stop, and
even eventually "winning" innocence, there is no compensation for
attorney fees, bonding expenses, jail time, loss of employment, loss of family
members that also believed the police report, court time and expense, etc. Then
consider the plea bargain: The defendant is fearful while no one can predict
what the jury will do, so your "confession" to limit jail and cost often
convicts the innocent. I cannot tell that there is any cost to the accuser.
Sounds like the justice system isn't very just. Sad to see an
individual's life ruined based on the lies and fabrications of another. He
probably shouldn't have been arrested until some actual evidence had been
obtained. But as our country continues to spy on its own citizens and disregard
the 4th amendment this will probably be a useful tool for the government that
used to be of, for, and by the people.
This is unbelievable! This prosecutor should be immediately fired! They have
ruined this guys life. How does he ever get his life back? He will always be
viewed with suspicion where ever he goes. The State should be liable for his
100,000 dollars in legal expenses. How can the prosecutor possible say to a
reporter that the truth does not matter in the court. "Whether the girl is
lying is not the issue, we did not feel we could win at trial" so even
though they knew the girl was lying they still would have put this guy away for
the next 15 years. Fire her now!!! This is the epitome prosecutor abuse.
Mr. Green,You said you "don't want that to be the takeaway
at all." regarding not pursuing criminals and the message this brings.Well I have a message for you...You likewise should not take
away something. Children do need help and this absolutely doesn't mean you
have to avoid being near children out of paranoia. I doubt anyone wouldn't
understand why if you didn't. But I would hope you might take a different
message away from this... cover yourself.It's unrealistic and
perhaps not very fair to suggest that someone carry a camera with them wherever
they go. But technically, it would help, no? Well, perhaps employing simpler
things like a phone constantly having gps tracking on it, and other methods.
I'm not saying loose yourself in paranoia "covering yourself"
techniques. All I'm saying is if a few simple practices can provide you
with a constant alibi, then that is better than wanting to avoid real-life
situations because of this mislead affair.I'm not pretending to
have an answer, but life can go on. That's a fact. The question is how you
do move forward, not whether you should.
Based on the prosecutor's statement, I think the state should be looking at
both law enforcement and the prosecutor's office to see why the case was so
badly mishandled. Too many of our public 'servants' are simply out to
make a name for themselves and care little for the truth.
I am sorry for what this man and his family has had to endure. Unfortunately the
damage that young woman did has been done. And I am not surprised that she moved
out of state, but I still feel that in some way she should pay restitution to
this man and his family, especially since all they wanted to do was help her.
What a shame, can't say as I blame him for not wanting to help anyone after
getting burned like he did. I hope he and his family can heal and find closure
after this ordeal.
I noticed, about 15 items down the page from this, the DN article saying the
charges were dismissed, with the mug show of this poor man.Perhaps
an apology to him from the DN, and an investigative article about why the
prosecutor refused to admit her case was overblown, and possibly based on
lies?There is too much actual abuse, but there is also way too much
ruination of reputations (usually a man's) over false abuse charges,
including in divorce cases.
This is devastating. I worry about this as we become over vigilant in our quest
to protect children especially girls from sexual predators. In a large sense,
this man's life is ruined. We will never know the complete truth so he will
have this hang over him like a guilty man.
"Whether or not the witness is lying, that's not the issue here,"
she said. "It's the evidence that would have come forward at trial that
I think would have affected the ability to get a conviction at trial."So, it doesn't matter at all that the witness lied under oath? New
evidence would have come forward, had their been a trial, which would have shown
she'd lied and would have affected the ability to get a conviction? Am I
reading everything wrong? What kind of Prosecuting Attorney says
that a witness lying under oath is not an issue? Of course, it's an issue.
Make it the issue! If there'd been a trial, new evidence would have come
forward that might have prevented a conviction of this man, so she got the case
dismissed? That man's life has been damaged in so many areas - find that
young woman and make her own up to her charges. Let her have a little prison
time for wasting the Court's time. Let me know if I'm reading this
Should law enforcement look into the allegations made by this young woman?
Isn't there a law about lying under oath?