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  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2014 2:57 p.m.

    Tekekaretc, I've got a question for you, who are you to determine what "role" women should play? Who are you to say to a woman that she is not playing the correct "role" if she wants to be "sexy"?

    I wonder if Mrs. Cox would have taken the same actions if the shirts had depicted bare chested men.

    It seems that a lot of people in society feel they have the authority, or the responsibility, to tell women what they should do, and how they should act.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2014 2:33 p.m.

    "You can't see the shirts because showing them in the media would violate FCC rules."

    Well, RedWings, maybe, if that were true. But of course it's not. Did you just make that up?

    "she is a warrior fighting evil in our society."

    Evil? These shirts? Really? Evil? A warrior fighting evil? Good heavens. If she wants to fight evil I can point her in the direction of some truly evil things going on. And it sure ain't at PacSun.

    Okay, it is really easy to find a picture of these shirts. Maybe before people comment they should know what they are talking about.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    March 28, 2014 11:15 a.m.

    I once heard a talk given by a feminist author named Ulrich. She had reviewed diaries of women on the American frontier. She said that they worked side by side with their husbands. She contrasted it with the modern role of a woman who living a life of luxury provided by their husbands. She said that women were not asking for something new, but to have their old role back.

    I recently heard a talk given by another feminist. She decried how women are objectified. She has three daughters and she says they are going to fight for their roles as women.

    Martin Luther King said that the real measure of success should be the good that we do, not the wealth that we accumulate. In that paradigm, the mother who raises children and serves others has more value than the husband who earns money. Service and teaching is better than wealth.

    Pac-Sun is promoting a role for women as being sex objects for men's pleasure. They are, after all, a corporation. That is a role that women need to fight. Good for Orem and good for Ms. Cox for their progressive stance.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    March 28, 2014 4:31 a.m.

    @ Redshirt1701

    This is only bad publicity to some people in Utah County. Very few people outside of the bubble will think the shirts are a problem.

    @ WhyAmIhere?

    Buzzfeed, Reddit (both extremely popular websites for younger people), the New York Post, Yahoo, USA Today, and even the Daily Mail (in the United Kingdom) picked up this story. I think thousands visiting PacSun's website is a conservative estimate.

  • CBAX Provo, UT
    March 27, 2014 9:35 p.m.

    Unfortunately these days, most publicity (good or bad) is good for business

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Provo, UT
    March 27, 2014 7:50 p.m.

    Willem,

    Just because your city is home to hollywood, the porn industry, and a history of all sorts of other filth... doesn't mean that Utah wants to follow lead. And if Iran doesn't either, I applaud them. Maybe we can find common ground on that point. How is that a bad thing?

    I'd rather be in a country where women are treated better than they are in L.A.

  • bullet56 Olympia, WA
    March 27, 2014 6:28 p.m.

    If you believe in capitalism, and the conservative mantra that all jobs are good jobs, then I say, Let this company display and sell what they want and let the market place decide. Consumers vote with dollars, and this lady voted yes with over 500 votes! If she is the arbitrator of what is offensive and not, then we are all in trouble. This is America and "scantly clad" is just a way to sell so many products. Products as diverse as cars, alcohol, vacation destinations, hygiene products, football, and the Miss America pageant. I am offended by the photos of abortion byproducts displayed by some at the Women's Health clinic, but support the free speech aspect of what they say.

  • hermounts Pleasanton, CA
    March 27, 2014 4:43 p.m.

    I'm glad the city of Orem took the action they did. On the other hand, Judy Cox's gesture is likely to be futile for two reasons. First, when the corporate bean-counters look at the latest sales report, they'll just see how well those objectionable designs sold at the Orem store. They won't know why. Second, if Mrs. Cox intends to return all those shirts, they'll just end up back on the store shelves, if not in Orem, then somewhere else.

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    March 27, 2014 3:47 p.m.

    re: Esquire

    "...I'm in the dark and we are arguing an undefined hypothetical and we are forced to accept a premise set by a select few."

    That is a good summary of organized religion as well.

  • Objectified Tooele, UT
    March 27, 2014 3:30 p.m.

    @Willem:

    It's because we live in America that people have the freedom to voice their opinions through taking actions within the law. In Iran, that wouldn't be possible. You seem to be a bit backwards with your logic.

    @ Kalindra:

    What makes you think the shirts were bought under fraudulent conditions? The fact the store manager was actually embarrassed to put them up in the first place (but forced to) means she might very well have known Mrs. Cox intention of returning them when the sale was made. And since the shirts will still be in new condition and returned within the return policy, there is no fraud involved.

    It simply appears your liberal ideologue pride has been offended.

    @ So-CalAggie:

    It might surprise you to know Mrs Cox was actually exercising her protected 1st Amendment right by taking the action she did. People burn flags under the premise of free speech. So why couldn't they buy t-shirts and later return them per store policy per that some right?

    It was also a free market conditions that allowed her actions. As such, you appear to be the one who is actually 'blathering on".

  • bikeboy Boise, ID
    March 27, 2014 3:01 p.m.

    IMO, this is a wonderful narrative about FREEDOM!

    PacSun engaged in free enterprise by marketing some "edgy" T-shirts.

    A woman was offended by a display; she exercised her freedom by purchasing the T-shirts, in a creative ploy to get them removed from public display.

    Citizens exercised their freedom to ask their elected officials to take action, and those officials obliged. (Other citizens have disagreed - we can do that in a free society.)

    The (free) press wrote about it; we have freely commented (within the bounds maintained by the moderators of the comment board).

    I like this FREEDOM stuff! The give-and-take is better than government mandates either allowing or banning the T-shirts.

    (I'm not much of a mall-goer, and haven't been in the Orem mall in probably 20 years. But based on faded memories, I'm thinkin' I wouldn't have even noticed the salacious PacSun T-shirts, if the Victoria Secret display was just a couple windows down...)

    God bless America!

  • So-CalAggie Park City, Ut
    March 27, 2014 2:46 p.m.

    Orem, Utah or Riyadh, Saudi Arabia? That or some liberal social engineering I keep hearing conservatives blathing on about. Why not let the free market decide? If the good, pious folks in Orem take offense to the shirts, why not keep walking w/o a second glance? I'm curious too, where in the 1st Amendment does it say speech is protected... unless it offends you, and then well...then it's not protected.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    March 27, 2014 2:37 p.m.

    @ Esquire:

    You are right about what is obscene for one may not be for another. But there's certainly nothing hypothetical about this situation and no one is certainly being forced to accept any premise. It's difficult to understand why you would say such a thing.

    Most thinking people will applaud someone else actually taking action concerning something they find objectionable, especially when done within the confines of the law. Mrs. Cox, the mayor and city council did exactly that. As such, they are to be commended... whether one agrees with their particular degree of obscenity or not. No one's personal freedom has been inhibited because of that stance. They acted in a way they felt was best for their community. And that's exactly part of what politicians are elected to do. It's too bad other citizens and politicians are seldom as proactive. Public opinion seem to be more supportive than against their actions.

  • RedWings CLEARFIELD, UT
    March 27, 2014 2:33 p.m.

    D4inSLC:

    Drinking alcohol at a restaurant is not the same as publicly displaying doctored images of women in illicit poses. Sorry, not even close.

    As I said earlier, these images destroy young women's self-esteem, and turn them into object for young men. Studies show that when men are shown suggestive pictures of women they resister in same part of the brain as when they see a picture of a hammer! Women are tools! And that is caused my our "porn" culture.

    No one defrauded PacSun. Ms. Cox bought the shirts and returned them under the company's return policy. Where is the fraud? To me, she is a warrior fighting evil in our society. We should all have as much intestinal fortitude.

    @ Esquire: You can't see the shirts because showing them in the media would violate FCC rules. That should tell you what you need to know...

  • D4inSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 27, 2014 2:04 p.m.

    Im getting a kick out of all of the moral high ground talk. Is it just in Utah county where it is the moral high ground to attempt to defraud a company. There is sufficient moral outrage to take the product, but not enough to actually pay money to take the product off of the shelves. funny

    @Nighshade - You are correct, they are cute and very protective of their beliefs, which is fine. I does get tiresome, however when it gets to be overreaching. For instance the bars here have to put a wall up so the children don't actually see the alcoholic drink being poured. I can hardly wait until I have to put a bag over my head so they don't see me drinking it.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    March 27, 2014 1:45 p.m.

    @ SammyB, I don't know what the shirts look like. I've seen the company website, but they have a lot of shirts. If the public could see what the problem is, rather than take the word of a few while the shirts are hidden, then let us make an informed judgment. The definition of pornography is not clear. To paraphrase a Supreme Court Justice, we can't define it unless we see it. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. What is obscene for one may not be for another. But right now, I'm in the dark and we are arguing an undefined hypothetical and we are forced to accept a premise set by a select few.

  • WhyAmIhere? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 27, 2014 1:00 p.m.

    Two For Flinching

    ..This story was picked up by the national media and thousands of people (including teenagers) went onto PacSun's website to see the shirts that caused all of this. The irony is almost too much...

    I don't know where you get your information that "thousands" went to the pacsun website but I doubt the accuracy of the number. Even if it is correct you are again assuming that they purchased something while there. If it was just for the curiosity it really didn't do them any good. Visitors to the website who leave without purchasing just confirm to the company that their visitors are not interested in their product line. Thus the company will feel compelled to change the line.

    Again, not all publicity is good and not all web traffic is useful.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    March 27, 2014 11:50 a.m.

    To "Two For Flinching" actually there is such a thing as bad publicity. Think about what has happened to Coke or food companies that have news stories report that rats or body parts were found in their product.

    If the bad publicity shows that you have bad business practices you may get a bump, but in the end it can kill your business. Think about "Totally Awesome Computers". What happened when they got some bad publicity?

  • GB Silver Spring, MD
    March 27, 2014 11:45 a.m.

    Good for you, Ms. Cox! The world is a better place because of what you did. Thank you.

    I knew that many people were opposed to the government "legislating morality," but it is odd that in this case, people are even opposed to private citizens taking perfectly legal actions to uphold standards of decency.

    For those who feel that PacSun is being defrauded, I think it is safe to assume that PacSun is on notice about the return potentially coming its way, and if they feel that it is best for their business to decline the return, they will.

  • SammyB Provo, UT
    March 27, 2014 11:36 a.m.

    What a lot of people here may not realize is how very explicit those t-shirts were. They were on display in the front window right across from the Disney Store, clearly seen by everyone.

    The city attorney was dead wrong to not pursue this. He was simply scared and was not following the law. This t-shirt is pornography, pure and simple.

  • Eliyahu Pleasant Grove, UT
    March 27, 2014 11:26 a.m.

    While I can't speak to Christian belief, under Halachah (Jewish religious law), what she did is considered theft. She purchased something with no intent to keep it for the sole purpose of depriving the owner of the opportunity to sell it to anyone else. Consider this: suppose she'd done the same with a piece of real estate or a business that was for sale? It would be clear that it was done for fraudulent purposes, even if she was sure that she was keeping it from being sold to someone she didn't approve of. The only difference here is one of scale.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    March 27, 2014 11:11 a.m.

    @ WhyAmIhere?

    There is no such thing as bad publicity. This story was picked up by the national media and thousands of people (including teenagers) went onto PacSun's website to see the shirts that caused all of this. The irony is almost too much.

  • RedWings CLEARFIELD, UT
    March 27, 2014 11:00 a.m.

    The reason the news media cannot show pictures of the shirts is becasue they violate FCC rules on decency.

    This ia all about the damage done to children and society. A young girl sees the false image on the shirt and then become anorexic or bulimic to fit what she sees as the "acceptable" female image. A young man sees these images and is excited, so he seeks more images. Soon he is addicted to hardore porn and cannot relate to a woman as a human being.

    All in the name of "free speech"..

    Neither of these scenarios are fantasy. The happen every day. and BTW, 35 years ago I was the young man above. 2 failed marriages and years of putting my current wife through the wringer, I am finally recovering from that addiction.

    These images do nothing but destroy people lives in the end, and have no place in an "enlightened" society. Too bad the far left is ignorant to that.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    March 27, 2014 10:43 a.m.

    Most people think fraud is immoral. Some people think immorality only involves sex.

  • K Mchenry, IL
    March 27, 2014 10:04 a.m.

    The images contribute to the sin of coveting. The sin of theft is in regards to the store losing profits off the shirts having them in the clearance rack now cause they were bought under a lie and then returned when new merchandise is filling that space in the full price section.

    What if a very rich man from a country where women and men must be covered from neck to ankle bought every single shirt and pant that wasn't long sleeve or ankle length in the mall, intending to return for full refund and never intending to use the items in the 60 day window? I don't see how this is different?

    You certainly can steal someone's prospective profits. On the flip side perhaps she drew positive attention to the store and they got more sales? Usually if a store doesn't have something in stock they order if for you on the website. Chosing the right would be to ask authorities to consider if they violated any laws. Even though they found they didn't violate any laws this is the one act that she can be admired.

  • Robert Johnson Sunland, CA
    March 27, 2014 9:37 a.m.

    In other words: We reviewed it and legally there is nothing we can do because they didn't violate any laws. However, we are afraid of the vocal hyper-sensitive voters so we are going to send this letter saying that we don't approve so that we can appease them.

    Grow a spine and stand up to these self-proclaimed morality police.

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    March 27, 2014 9:31 a.m.

    As soon as your hear "think of the children", you can rest assured, it's not about the children.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    March 27, 2014 9:24 a.m.

    @Way of the Warrior: "Is this what conservative/religious governments do?" You are quite correct. This is NOT what conservative governments do. This is what liberal/religious governments do. A lot of people are shocked at what Orem did because it challenges their stereotypes about Utah.

    I think that it would be cool if Orem banned the shirts. When the ACLU brought action for violating PacSun's freedom of speech, they could appeal to the Supreme Court and the justices could ask the ACLU, "Aren't you the ones who argued that corporations don't have freedom of religion? So then why are you arguing the corporations have freedom of speech?"

  • Bdamajd Centerville, UT
    March 27, 2014 8:55 a.m.

    @willem.

    I am pretty sure that Mrs. Cox already does her share to help feed the homeless in Utah. The problems in this nation are not only physical. The deterioration of the moral fiber in this country is a very real thing. Yes, we all have freedoms, thank goodness. But our freedom ends where someone else's begins. We cannot have freedom without consequences. When something is wrong in society, we have the freedom to do something about it. It is so amazing to me that the only people who seem to cry for freedom are the ones who don't seem to care about other people's freedom. Mrs. Cox has the freedom to do what she feels necessary to protect her children as long as she is not infringing on someone else's freedom. Since moral decency is no longer "politically correct", our nation will continue to be more and more corrupt. Woe unto them who call evil good and good evil.

  • WhyAmIhere? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 27, 2014 8:52 a.m.

    To those who argue that Pacsun got free publicity... what makes you think that publicity was good? There are many who will now be more likely to avoid shopping there. Not all publicity is good.

  • Bdamajd Centerville, UT
    March 27, 2014 7:50 a.m.

    I have to say that I agree with Missouri Coug and Pops on this one! I think many of the people are forgetting Mrs. Cox's real purpose here. It wasn't to make it so no one else could BUY them. Her purpose was most likely to get it out of the sight of children, teens and adults. Can she do this for everything she finds offensive? Probably not, unless she is a millionaire. But what she did, even though it may have been free publicity for PacSun, was to stand up for what she believed in and she did so quickly and concisely. How many of you parents would not at least try to cover your children's eyes if someone came by and stopped right in front of you with little or no clothing on? This is what Mrs Cox did for countless children who could simply walk by and see this. You might say that they will see it anyway. That is true. But if we have the ability to do something about it, why not do it. Why not stand up for what is right?

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    March 27, 2014 7:46 a.m.

    Even if Pac-Sun literally has to throw these shirts in the trash it costs them, at most 600 bucks in potential income. $600 bucks doesn't get you a TV ad on the local news. They couldn't have got cheaper advertising if they begged for it.

  • Jamescmeyer Midwest City, USA, OK
    March 27, 2014 7:43 a.m.

    On the one hand, I don't like this abuse of a store's return policy. On the other, imagine how much happier and more successful we'd be as communities, states, and a nation if every good person stood up and exerted this much effort to keep from being silenced or pressured.

  • TimBehrend Auckland NZ, 00
    March 27, 2014 7:22 a.m.

    I think many parents are naive about the sorts of images their children have and seek access to if they think 'sexually charged' (useless reporting, DN) t-shirts will precipitate their ruin.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    March 27, 2014 7:20 a.m.

    It's a human body -shield your eyes!!!!!!

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 27, 2014 7:19 a.m.

    "Of course she can return them. Is there small print after the words 30 day return policy? Does it say except for this or that or this or that."

    This whole thing is about what is legal or illegal vs right and wrong. It would appear that what pacsun displayed is not illegal, but still wrong in some minds.

    So, to counter that, the return may be technically within the store policy, but falls outside of the "whats right" boundary.

    Picketing the store to get people to not shop there is a much more reasonable way to address the problem.

    Two technically legal but questionable ethically wrongs don't make a right.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    March 27, 2014 6:43 a.m.

    So they can sell the shirts on April 16th to more people who were drawn to the store by the extra publicity and who otherwise wold not have bought them. Brilliant.

  • Pops NORTH SALT LAKE, UT
    March 27, 2014 6:25 a.m.

    It was appropriate for city officials to send the letter. Just because something is legal doesn't necessarily make it right, appropriate, or desirable. Good for them for complaining about the distasteful and offensive rather than just letting it go.

    It is unfortunate that so many people desire to enjoy the benefits of living in communities with high standards, but don't wish to participate in upholding the high standards that create the positive environment, and sometimes even participate in trying to tear down those standards.

  • Missouri Coug Greenwood, MO
    March 27, 2014 6:12 a.m.

    She bought all of the shirts to get them off the market AND to SHOW to the City Leaders what she was talking about, BEFORE getting her money back....Thanks for being a person of concern for the GOOD in society....TOO BAD more people are not as concerned as to what is happening to the youth of this country....

  • Willem Los Angeles, CA
    March 27, 2014 6:08 a.m.

    What country are some of these commenters living in? This is America not Iran.Its all so stupid, a nasty T-Shirt is gonna hurt your family! Shop somewhere else and if you are looking to make some points with the Lord you could start feeding the homeless in Utah!

  • Nighshade Acton, MA
    March 27, 2014 6:07 a.m.

    From Massachusetts,

    Ok, you're a Mormon-dominated culture and maybe a bit on the stodgy side. But you guys out there are cute. You really are. Especially considering all the stuff our kids can see on the Internet, movies, magazines, books, etc. But hey, ya gotta take a stand somewhere! Maybe we could use some good old-fashioned Mormon values here back East. Next time a couple of Mormons come to my door to convert me, (it happens) I'll tell them, "Right on! Instead of coming after me, go challenge some store displays! They're ruining our kids! Especially those kids who are downloading porn as we speak."

    Seriously speaking, I support anything you can do to keep Utah a bit slowed down from our nationwide slide into the sewer, I'm for it. Even if I poke a bit of fun at you, I know you're good people who mean well.

  • KTC John Wetumpka, AL
    March 27, 2014 6:01 a.m.

    K:
    How do you know that the store does not have a "no-questions-asked" return policy? That is the norm. Stores do not generally inquire into the undisclosed mental operations of their customers or conduct an interrogation when accepting returned merchandise. Are you engaged in strained sophistries in an attempt to make good evil?

  • BU52 Provo, ut
    March 27, 2014 5:49 a.m.

    lots of stone throwing going on here. I applaud Orem for trying to deal with this without making another law or policy that would effect everyone and be very difficult to write. Even a judge on the Supreme Court said, "Pornography, I can't define it, but I know it when I see it."

  • Joshua Steimle Draper, UT
    March 27, 2014 5:35 a.m.

    Is it the role of government to delve into such things? Can't we solve these issues without involving the authorities? And what about Victoria's Secret?

  • CBAX Provo, UT
    March 27, 2014 1:57 a.m.

    objectification of women is A-O,K!

    /sarcasm off

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    March 27, 2014 12:52 a.m.

    Pac Sun is the big winner here. They got a ridiculous amount of free publicity, and Mrs. Cox came off looking ridiculous.

    The cherry on top of this story is still to come, and it will be one of two scenarios: 1) They don't allow her to return the merchandise. Or 2) They take the shirts back, put them on sale for 80%, and the teenagers of Orem will swarm to the store and buy them all.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    March 26, 2014 10:54 p.m.

    So many consumers, especially in Utah, have a really causal approach to such things. "Oh, well, that store shouldn't do this or that or that movie shouldn't include such and such language or violence/sex...etc" and we just move on thinking that somebody else will do something about it. Well, somebody did and she should be given a medal!

    While the city of Orem did everything they could not to cite the offending company, at least they took a modest public stand. Good for them.

    Next, there seems to be such a reluctance for people to stand against what is offensive to adults. It's almost always, "The children could be watching." While this is all fine, there's plenty to find upsetting in society that more adults, like this mother, could do to stand up and proclaim, "Enough is enough! What you are showing is offensive, degrading, and/or just plain wrong!"

    Finally, the best response is for people to simply not buy the merchandise or the ticket or the cable programming, etc.

  • Hey It's Me Salt Lake City, UT
    March 26, 2014 10:13 p.m.

    Of course she can return them. Is there small print after the words 30 day return policy? Does it say except for this or that or this or that.

  • Clarissa Layton, UT
    March 26, 2014 9:59 p.m.

    I'm impressed that she actually did something. Most people whine, but do nothing. Our world is going down the drain.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    March 26, 2014 9:54 p.m.

    Pac Sun thanks you for all the free publicity.
    I hope they will not accept the return.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 26, 2014 8:20 p.m.

    Since the shirts were purchased under fraudulent curcumstances, the store has every right to not accept the return.

    @ Spellman789: There is a wrong way and a right way to make a stand - this was not the right way.

  • Spellman789 Syracuse, UT
    March 26, 2014 8:05 p.m.

    I applaud her for taking a stand. Whether you think it was right or not, she took action for something she saw as a problem for her, her family, and society.

  • Young Moderate Logan, UT
    March 26, 2014 6:49 p.m.

    While I agree this was distasteful on the part of PacSun, I am afraid that what Samwise said above is correct. Her plan backfired. All she did was generate free publicity for PacSun. You can find articles on this story all over the web including some national news sites. Even if they lose money on the sale when she returns all of the shirts it will be money well spent.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Provo, UT
    March 26, 2014 6:45 p.m.

    K,

    They have every right to turn around and sell the shirts at full price or clearance or burn them and eat the cost. You can't steal someone's potential profit. Otherwise, if I convinced everyone that "Frozen" was lame, Disney could sue me. There is nothing rational or legal about it.

    Coveting something isn't wrong. That simply means desiring something.

    Coveting your neighbors wife, home, or property is wrong. Someone else's property or love isn't yours to desire. She doesn't want the shirts. She wants other people's business transactions and marketing to promote things good instead of harmful. It's not coveting, nor is it wrong. Possibly flawed, though I'm not convinced it is, but her character and actions were good.

    None of us are perfect. The only perfect method is following the Savior. She may have done that with a sloppy butter knife. We aren't always going to spread butter the same way. What matters most is that we spread it with the same purpose... to give someone bread who needs food. I'm sure there is a more appropriate method, but she did just fine.

  • Way of the Warrior Arlington, WA
    March 26, 2014 6:39 p.m.

    Is this what conservative/religious governments do? Talk about government intrusion into personal freedom of expression and choice. The fact that no obscenity laws were broken makes the Mayor's, Council's, and City Attorney's letter of rebuke completely inappropriate.

  • gittalopctbi Glendale, AZ
    March 26, 2014 6:05 p.m.

    I support what she did without criticism and I applaud her and the city of Orem officials for taking a stand.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Provo, UT
    March 26, 2014 5:40 p.m.

    I'd hardly call the "women" and leave it alone at that...

    They are women who are 90% nude and suffer from corporate-fed starvation based on the pandemic of amorality that has plagues the U.S. at the rate that content can be delivered in a more potent and private format. What is on the shirts is not women. It is a product, object, disposable toy, and replaced and forgot as soon as a new model is manufactured.

    We ought to women with sacred respect, love, and care. Not as a photoshop-manufactured disposable toy.

    We can cite addiction and family statistics all day and people will not be convinced. The truth is, we are all beings of intelligence and no one can alter the truth. All we can do is submit ourselves to what is true or foolishly reject it in favor of some other desire.

    How we treat women, children, and the integrity of the family God designed is simply an IQ test for the world on what it means to be human, to be happy, and to live peacefully. But peace will never exist when women, children, and families are under attack.

  • K Mchenry, IL
    March 26, 2014 5:16 p.m.

    A return or exchange is for when the gift receiver doesn't like it or it doesn't fit. If they allow the return and it goes on 80% off clearance then a case could be made morally you stole hundreds from them. Theft and coveting are immoral. Two wrongs don't make a right. A complaint and a determination from the city council was the appropriate thing to do. I do think the city council was correct, it is not illegal. Distasteful, but then don't buy it.

  • Samwise Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 26, 2014 5:15 p.m.

    Wait... she said they are inappropriate and her solution was to buy them all, thus giving this business (and others) incentive to do the same thing. I can't comment on whether I agree with her or not on them being "inappropriate" since I haven't seen them myself, but I seriously doubt that was the best solution. Especially since it got publicity, it could inspire other businesses in Utah County to copycat. "hey everyone, ultra conservative Mormons are buying up inventory they are offended by! hurry and stock your shelves with ________. Make sure it is prominently displayed to the public for optimal effect." For the record, I am a conservative Mormon. But her methods are not great.