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Published: Tuesday, March 25 2014 9:00 p.m. MDT

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sammyg
Springville, UT

Much ado about nothing.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Pretty much as one could have predicted. Of course Jamaal already talked with Coach about it, and however serious, from zero to serious, it's been resolved as far as the Coach and the Honor Code are concerned. Not it is being resolved as a legal issue.

Those who opined that Jamaal should just be honest, and in the process implied that he wasn't, spoke out of turn. Again.

Can we move on now?

Floyd Johnson
Broken Arrow, OK

Congratulations Duane! I wish you good health during your retirement.

I Bleed Blue
Las Vegas, NV

Sounds like it has already been addressed. Time to move on.

Back Talk
Federal Way, WA

Maybe this is the first example of the new practice for handling honor code accusations. BYU said that these things would be handled internally so lets trust them to do that. We can also be glad that this new practice will be better for the athletes involved.

There will always be critics so no just let them do what they do and "let it go" .

DeepBlue
Anaheim, CA

Gotta luv a certain BYU hater's bitter disappointment about Jamaal and Bronco dealing with this situation behind closed doors.

It's interesting that the individuals who have the least respect for BYU's Honor Code are the same individuals who are the most adamant about seeing it strictly enforced.

They obviously completely misunderstand the fundamental purpose of the Honor Code.

Outside-View
Federal Way, WA

Honor code doenst mean "perfection". Judement of the individual circumstances, people involved amd their desire/commitment to change make all of the difference. That is why so many BYU fans like this new approach to dealing with honor code issues.

People can say that the honor code will lose its meaning but that is baloney. Hopfully, it will more closely match the standards everyday members and help soften the image of BYU as a school.

bobbybruce
PROVO, UT

Considering how BYU has handled player issues in the past, often removing the player from participation even at critical games, I'm completely confident that BYU is handling this incident correctly.

Of course there will always be the detractors, especially hypocritical UofU fans, who feign concern (who I'm sure have the best interest) for BYU's high moral standards. Between BYU and these antagonists, I know which group has the reputation and history that earns my trust.
GO COUGARS!

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

Glad to see that Bronco and Jamaal have already worked this out and that BYU isn't over-reacting to a minor offense.

Yes, from what we know, Jamaal probably broke the law and the Honor Code, but this type of offense wouldn't be grounds for suspension for non-athletes, so athletes deserve to be treated in private with the same leniency.

Uncle Rico
Provo, UT

BYU needs to stop pounding its chest.

We hear about players breaking the honor code when they get arrested or when a Utah fan catches them in the act in Vegas. How many do we not hear about and are swept under the rug?

BYU seems to care about the honor code when they can brag about higher standards, but when someone doesn't obey it they sweep it under the rug (in situations when they can get away with it).

If you are not going to enforce the Honor Code, why even have it in the first place? Give the players their agency back.

54-10
Salt Lake City, UT

Still nothing to see here. Move along everyone.

This is between student athlete, his coach and the school.

Levin
Reno, NV

The namesake of the university said, "I believe in coming out and being plain and honest with that which should be made public, and in keeping to yourselves that which should be kept ... Tell to the public that which belongs to the public ..." Does this belong to the public? I don't think it does. Coach Mendenhall understands that, and he shows respect for his players not to drag their private business through the public eye. While it has been inspiring to see KVN, Davies, Hadley, and others turn their lives around on a public stage, I think the new attitude is better.

Darren Rowe
Heber City, UT

Chris B,

Most of that comment is a good point and very accurate. But where in the world did you hear that lying to a judge was legal? In court, you place your hand on the bible and swear to "tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth."

Obviously, people lie to judges all the time, but in no way is it legal at all.

My prediction is that Jamaal will either be found in both legal and honor code trouble, or he won't be in trouble at all. In this instance, the honor code is almost exactly the same as the law (in many cases the honor code is more strict). It's hard for me to see any scenario where he is in legal trouble but not honor code trouble or vice versa.

oddman
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You apparently you know little about law enforcement nor legal matters if you think every arrest is made without error. Having been in law enforcement for many years I can tell you, my friend, that many arrests are made with little or no probable cause. Circumstances often make things appear one way but they are often innocent or completely different than witnesses or appearances lead law enforcement to believe. I don't know why people immediately assume the worst and cover ups are the rule of the day. Perhaps you're experiences have left you a cynic. I am not and believe in the system which includes the honor code which I honored for the entire time I was attending school, and still do today.

RBN
Salt Lake City, UT

Oh Chris, good grief. Entering a plea is not like entering the confessional and confessing all your sins. Not all honor code violations will get you kicked out of school. Having sex will do it certainly. Spencer Hadley didn't get kicked out of BYU. Whatever his violations were (and they are none of my business) were enough to be suspended from football games. I'm not sure if he was suspended from practices.

When you're dealing with kids some flexibility is necessary. I think the Van Noy story shows that Bronco has a good sense of what will help a kid become a better person. Sometimes you may need to take a hard line; other times the line may be softer. As long as the Honor Code Office doesn't make him withdraw from school, I'm good with giving Bronco some latitude with Williams. When Whit is dealing with one of our wayward Utes I am confident he, too, will fashion an appropriate punishment.

Riley Mendenhall
Provo, UT

Why not just get rid of the Honor Code?

"I teach them correct principles, and they govern themselves." - Joseph Smith

RBN
Salt Lake City, UT

@Sammy

I have to disagree with you that it's much ado about nothing. Bronco has a good track record of dealing appropriately with players who stretch the boundaries of the honor code. I suspect Bronco would not say this is much ado about nothing. He's not telling us what his discussion with Jamaal was (which is appropriate), but I'm sure Bronco wasn't happy to be having that discussion.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

There is a large and finely woven carpet under which that finest of human specimen, the collegiate pro athlete, may expect their indiscretions to be swept. Indeed, this practise starts much earlier in ones' 'scholastic' athletic career, albeit with lesser grade and lumpier carpet.

Ed Grady
Idaho Falls, ID

Mendenhall handled this perfectly.

Jeff29
Draper, UT

When you go before a judge, you generally have three options: Guilty, not guilty, no contest. If you plead guilty or no contest you go straight to sentencing without the opportunity to plead your case. Almost everyone pleads not guilty so they can get a trial. It may have happened, but I've never heard of someone being accused of lying to the judge for pleading not guilty and then being found guilty. In addition, I believe he was charged with possession by a minor not consumption which are two very different things (especially in the eyes of the Honor Code).

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