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Published: Wednesday, March 26 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "JoeBlow" I was not commenting on the original letter, but on your ilk's response. You want to ban guns or else severly punish gun owners. Why stop there? Why not follow the Asian example and have people register knives over 6 inches long? If you are ready to put somebody in prison if another person gets injured with a gun, why not do the same for baseball bats or other objects that are used more frequently to injure or kill people?

To "airnaut" let met get this straight. Liberals have been using scare tactics with our kids with respect to gun for decades. Meanwhile their Hollywood movie producers show actors using guns like toys. On top of all of that, liberals have been promoting a culture that devalues manly men who know how to handle guns responsibly. Now that you have nearly destroyed the possibility that a responsible man would have a gun, you complain that there are gun accidents?

Do you also complain that after getting people drunk and encouraging them to drive that they get into accidents?

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

You arguement is moot.
You say it like only Liberals drink, do drugs, have abortions, or make movies with guns or violence.
and Republicans don't.

Moot.

Meanwhile --
Republicans have sent 1 million Americans to Afgahnistan and Iraq and killed 100's thousands with REAL guns and REAL weapons, not imanginary movies.

You still don't get it.

You never did answer the question --

Why should I be held Liable for a child slipping and falling on my snow covered sidewalk,
and NOT be held accountable for a child who gets shot by an unsecured gun?

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

How did this devolve into a gun owner's rights back and forth argument?

Whether it is the parent's right or not is not the issue here. The issue is that the weapon was not secured properly.

Would you allow your 9-year-old to have access to the car keys to take the car for a spin whenever they want? Do you let your 9-year-old use big knives and the stove unsupervised? Our job as parents is to protect our kids - even from themselves.

This story is NOT a 2nd Amendment rights story.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

OK red.

Dad keeps a loaded firearm in their dresser drawer.

Dads 8 year old finds it and accidentally shoots and kills the neighbor boy.

If this was your son who got killed, you would not see any culpability on neighbor dad?

And BTW, "manly men" (did you really use that term? I'm still chuckling) who "know how to handle guns responsibly" keep them locked up. In my mind, that is what "responsibly" means.

Lastly, your post is all over the map. Focus.

Karen R.
Houston, TX

A gun owner brings into his home a risk. He assumes this risk because he believes the benefit it provides - self-protection - outweighs the risk.

To be a "responsible gun owner" and mitigate the risk to children, the gun owner is supposed to secure his weapon. Securing the weapon - either by locking it up or locking up the ammo - often precludes it from being readily available in the event that self-protection is necessary.

So people either 1) don't secure their weapons, thereby increasing the risk of unintentional harm; or 2) secure them, thus rendering useless the gun's purported purpose.

Guns don't make us safe. They make life - and us - more dangerous.

@ airnaut - your first post:

With all due respect, I think your rationale for being a gun owner surrenders to rather than fights the fear-mongering that feeds the paranoids you're arming yourself against. And all of this spells $$$ for the gun industry. This is now the true purpose of the NRA - the gun industry's marketing arm. I find it all grotesque and obscene.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

This turned into a pretty funny thread.

You all are having a discussion about why you have guns in your home and how you secure them. Then along comes Redshirt, and starts with the "you liberals all want to disarm..." and you all fell for his rant by engaging him, when in fact no one had said anything at all about taking guns away.

That's exactly why some of us engage here to call "foul" on the language, illogic, and falsehoods routinely told by the right.

Come on don't let him get by with a false premise then proceed to spin a yarn based on it.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

According to KSL they were riding in a truck and the kid took the gun out of a holster.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "CHS 85" and "JoeBlow" and "Karen R." the solution is not more regulation on gun owners or more punishment. The solution is education. The parents have to deal with mixed messages that are sent to the kids each day. On one hand they are being told by the schools that gun are evil and even something that resembles a gun is evil. Then on Friday night they go and watch the latest action movie where guns are treated like toys and are glorified. So, the kids are curious about guns, so when they get the opportunity to handle the "forbidden fruit", they do so.

If schools dropped their lame policies of not allowing anything that even remotely resembles a gun, even a poptart, on campus and simply taught kids that gun are tools, and that a real gun should be treated differently than a pretend or toy gun, you would demystify guns and kids wouldn't care if their parents kept a gun next to the sugar in the kitchen.

I grew up in a house where we knew that real guns were not toys and to not touch them unless you were hunting or at the gun range.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Sounds just like an NRA response. Any solution that doesnt involve the gun. Or the gun owner.

There are 2 issues.

Some kids are young and curious. Some are a bit older but troubled.

The best cure is to not give them the opportunity. Lock um up.

I am quite confused as to why you or anyone else does not see the value and wisdom in securing the guns. It is beyond me.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "JoeBlow" sounds just like a paranoid person.

The fact is that my friends and I grew up in homes where we knew where our parents kept their guns. None of us touched them because we knew that guns were not toys.

The NRA has nothing to do with it.

My children are curious, but they also know that guns are not toys, and don't bother touching real guns.

Here is the problem with putting the gun in a safe.

What do you do if you have an intruder? Do you just tell the intruder to wait up while you open your safe? I can have a shot gun out and loaded in less than a minute. How about you?

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