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Published: Tuesday, March 25 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Grover
Salt Lake City, UT

Hey Mike, remember how distressed you were when the Supremes ruled against your beliefs on gay marriage? You thought that those cases were slam dunks too. Why not just wait until June and you can see what they think on this issue and then you can do a victory dance or denounce activist judges and government that doesn't agree with your reading of the Constitution.

Cole Thomas
Salt Lake City, UT

Health insurance is part of the compensation package for employment, just like a paycheck. An employer has no more right to prevent an employee from using their insurance to cover contraception than it does to prevent the employee from spending their paycheck on alcohol and R rated films.

Christian 24-7
Murray, UT

HL is not forcing any religion on any employees. All the indignant posters are not being forced by HL. Those of us who are religious respect that you believe differently, and don't require you to believe as we do. We just ask that you, in return respect that we believe differently than you, and not expect us to change to your beliefs.

Is that really so hard, to just respect us and let us practice our religion? You can eat, drink, and be merry, all you want, but on your own dime and your own time. You can play in the mire, but I shouldn't be required to jump in with you. You have your choice, and I have mine.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

While the world is brief, random, indifferent, and cruel, Karl Marx did a nice job of expressing the world and human reaction to it's reality.

" Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people."

The problem is when "the people" treat it as a reality not a consolation.

Conservatisim and it's religious partners are dragging America into an abyss of ignorance, intolerance, and mediocrity. The American dream is being suffocated in a blanket of spiritless ignorance.

Stormwalker
Cleveland , OH

@2 bits: The only people prayer at public meetings offends... is liberal leftists (not religious people, even if they aren't of the same faith).

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When you say "aren't of the same faith" do you mean go to different Christian denominations that teach essentially the same thing until you get into the nitty-gritty of deep doctrine?

Or do you mean you would be comfortable in a meeting being opened by a Wiccan and closed by an Islamic prayer?

Because if you are saying the latter, my experience is that most Christians are not that opened minded and they will claim all manner if a prayer is offered that does not close "in the name of Jesus," let alone a prayer offered by a believer of a different faith path.

Grover
Salt Lake City, UT

Chris 24/7: What if the employers are Muslims? We have those folks too, right? They want prayers several times a day? OK or not?? What if Fred Phelps (Westboro Baptist Church) owned Hobby Lobby and said that no one could be homosexual and work for his money making enterprise? Ok or not?

Finally, since when does the Constitution allow religions to decide science? They say some contraceptives are ok and some are not because they are abortifacient even when the jury is not in on the issue?? The last time religion got into science, Galileo went to prison and it didn't turn out too well.

Respect goes two ways my friend. If you expect respect, you need to be willing to give it as well.

KJB1
Eugene, OR

Christian 24-7:

The fact that you consider adults being able to choose when they have children as "playing in the mire" is a huge part of why this is such a problem.

WestGranger
West Valley City, Utah

Wow, it's sadly amazing just how many people don't feel that religious freedom is important. It shouldn't matter if you are religious or not. Once we apathetically let someone else's right slip away, sooner or later it will hit home to us.

Christian 24-7
Murray, UT

Twisting/spinning words and mocking are quite the opposite of respect.

Is that really so hard, to just respect us and let us practice our religion?

Apparently, for many of the anti-religious, it is.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

"Wow, it's sadly amazing just how many people don't feel that religious freedom is important. It shouldn't matter if you are religious or not"

The question here is not whether religious freedom is important or not, it's "what is religious freedom"?

Does it mean you can force me to live by your beliefs because I'm employed by you? Does it mean any activity even if prohibited by another law is ok if linked to a religious belief. So drop the martyr complex. You are free to carry around any notion you want in your head.

You are also "free" to associate with others who think as you do. The question today is how free are you to make me live by your beliefs when my association with you is not one of like mind but employment.

Hank Pym
SLC, UT

to Christian 24-7

Your combo of the persecution complex and my way or the highway mindset is not only tiresome but stunningly typical of a "true believer" regardless of sect.

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

This controversy is not really about religious freedom. It is about finding another way to attack the Affordable Care Act. If this were a religious freedom issue there is a simple solution. Let those employees of Hobby Lobby that need contraceptive coverage pay a predetermined contraceptive premium cost for that medical service as a employee payroll deduction for health care. And, let them pay it with funds not subject to income taxes. Under this approach, the cost of contraception is born by the employee not the employer.

Pendergast
Salt Lake City, UT

I agree with what Stormwalker said yesterday a.m.

Further, christians aren't as tolerant as Christian 24/7 would like us to believe... Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, & the Albigensian Crusades

RAB
Bountiful, UT

It is sad that so many people are willing to abandon one right after another to the whims of the government.

That being said however, Hobby Lobby is really in a no-win situation. The fact is, if their employees buy contraceptives, they either got it with a paycheck provided by Hobby Lobby or they got it with health care provided by Hobby Lobby. Either way, Hobby Lobby made their contraceptive purchase possible.

The real issue is why anyone should not have to buy their own contraceptives. People are going hungry in this world and we are worried about buying everybody's contraceptives. It is insane.

Karen R.
Houston, TX

@ Mike in Cedar City

"This controversy is not really about religious freedom. It is about finding another way to attack the Affordable Care Act."

Yes, I think you're right. This is really a backdoor maneuver disguised as "religious freedom."

@ RAB

Re: the question of paying for one's own contraceptives, I believe the rationale is that this is a public health issue. It is in everyone's best interest to promote contraceptive use because of its many health benefits.

RFLASH
Salt Lake City, UT

"We believe in the inherent dignity of every human being — dignity that no earthly power can take away. And central to that dignity is freedom of religion — the right of every person to practice their faith how they choose … and to do this free from persecution and fear."

David, Freedom of religion includes all of us, including gay people! When we fight for the right to marry, it is a long battle that all gay people have had to gain some dignity! It is a way of making our lives better and we should have the right to live our beliefs that we can be married and have families! Nobody is taking away your right to believe it is wrong! Go ahead and believe whatever you want, but freedom of religion does not give you the right to deny us the right to live our lives in dignity! Is that really hard to understand?

I do not have to accept the degradation that your beliefs impose on me! Some of you have been heaping a lot of judgment on others. You are talking about dignity while you judge and put down a lot of good people around you!

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

@ RAB
" The real issue is why anyone should not have to buy their own contraceptives. People are going hungry in this world and we are worried about buying everybody's contraceptives. It is insane."

RAB how many less hungry people would be in the world if their parents would have had access to contraceptives?

Good parents, reponsible parents are going to bring to the world only the number of children they think they can support.

You see, different to most species. We humans don't have a season to reproduce. For us sexuality is not only for reproduction but also for pleasure and as the consummation of love.
Therefore, we need contraceptives. Is in the best of interest of society to have healthy parents able to sustain their own families.

Hobby Lobby and all organizations including churches (IMHO)should pay for full health coverage. The employees should have the freedom of agency to use contraceptives or not. It should be their decision not their employers.

Utefan60
Salt Lake City, UT

Mike Richards: When the government violates the Constitution by requiring us to buy insurance, why wouldn't it violate the Constitution by establishing a State religion?

The government is not supporting a state religion, what it is doing is keeping your religion out of the state.

The government and the supposed "liberal judges" are enforcing the Constitution. The only violation is the status quo has gotten away with not following the Constitution. That includes the insertion of religious beliefs into it denying all citizens of their constitutional liberties.

Jamescmeyer
Midwest City, USA, OK

This quantity of discussion genuinely confuses me. Every sentence in the article is accurate, and if there were any doubt, plenty of people here have personally andi ronically demonstrated it.

Utes Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

@Ranch
"but the FREEDOM to marry LGBT couples is ALSO a "religious freedom" and there are MANY religions that believe it is perfectly okay. Imposing your religious beliefs on others who believe differently, certainly qualifies as a violation of the religious beliefs of others."

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Nobody is trying to stop any religion from performing a gay or other marriage. That is NOT the issue. The issue is what the government recognizes, and do the people of the nation and the individual states have the right to determine which marriages the government recognizes. Any church or private entity may perform a gay marriage, even if it is not recognized by that government. Also, for example, nobody is stopping the LDS Church from performing marriage sealings to deceased people even though the government doesn't recognize them as legal marriages. Even the early Mormons who were polygamists didn't ask the government to recognize polygamous marriages - they only wanted the government to leave them alone.

The issue isn't the right for gays to get married. The issue is government recognition of certain marriages, and the right of the people to determine what the government recognizes and how and what benefits are offered.

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