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Published: Tuesday, March 25 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

David believes that corporations are people.

Does hobby lobby also have the right to bear arms?

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Which religion should government promote?

Ranch
Here, UT

It seems the author of this letter, David Wood, has forgotten the meaning of "religious freedom" of the Constitution; Marriage, David, is not only something YOUR religion gets to practice, but the FREEDOM to marry LGBT couples is ALSO a "religious freedom" and there are MANY religions that believe it is perfectly okay. Imposing your religious beliefs on others who believe differently, certainly qualifies as a violation of the religious beliefs of others.

Additionally corporations are NOT PEOPLE and have absolutely NO BELIEFS religious or otherwise. The owners of businesses do not get to determine the actions of their employees, which would constitute a violation of the religious freedom of the employees.

GZE
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Hobby Lobby is not an individual. It does not have personal rights.

airnaut
Everett, 00

Oh, where to start, where to start…

Is the Ghestapo showing up at Sacrament Meeting?
Can Missionaries Proselyte?
Can we build and attend Church and Temples?

This hyperbole from the Chicken Little's on the Right astound me.

For crying out loud -- Hobby Lobby is a BUSINESS – Not a Religion!

And what if a certain religion you may not agree with FAVORS Same Sex Marriage?, – Do you still support THEIR Constitutional rights to perform SSM?

The truth is that those who complain about secularism ARE often the narrow-minded and are discriminating.

We are living in a day that individual rights, religious rights are not tolerated by those who claim to be the most religious.

I also hope that the nation can be united under the Constitution and that all of us can live without fear for what we believe in.

I also look forward to having this letter writer’s 110% support of an Islamic Cultural Center in New York City, and a 7’ statue of Bophamet at the Oklahoma State Capitol.

BTW -- When the semi-annual LDS General Conference can no longer be broadcast, streamed, or printed -- call me.

ECR
Burke, VA

"Hobby Lobby and Conestoga Wood have to go to court to defend their religious right to avoid dispensing particular kinds of contraceptives."

And isn't it wonderful that differences of opinion can be settled in court rather than on the battle field. That is the blessing of the Constitution.

"Federal judges have overturned states’ rights in deciding what marriage is."

Federal judges also overturned states rights in choosing who can attend certain schools depending on the color of their skin. Was that a bad thing?

"If religion and those that support religion do not comply with secularism they are labeled as narrow minded, bigots, and discriminators."

They are only labeled that way by other narrow minded bigots. My experience is that when I stand up for what I believe in most people applaud my convictions rather than call me names. Regardless of what others say, stand firm in what you believe and never believe that might is greater than right. As long as people of faith live by the precepts of their religion without joining in with name calling and accusations, our religious freedom will not be lost. Courage in your convictions will always be the right choice.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

People own businesses and therefore the people who own business have the rights, duh!

isrred
South Jordan, UT

Hobby Lobby is NOT being required to "dispense" birth control or anything else that violates the leadership's religious beliefs. They are being required to provide health insurance that meets a minimum, national standard for everyone that includes birth control coverage.

To take it to the other extreme, should I as an employer be able to demand that my employees ONLY get coverage for birth control and refuse to pay for insurance that covers pregnancy and child birth?

Conservatives love to scream about not putting government in between you and your doctor or government making personal decisions for you, but then love to shove their religion or their corporation in your personal decisions.

Karen R.
Houston, TX

The author acknowledges that the government is forbidden from favoring one religion over another and then complains that it is secular in nature. What is government supposed to be if it is to remain religiously neutral?

I maintain that what some believers are decrying is really loss of privilege, not loss of freedom. Religion, particularly of the Christian persuasion, has long enjoyed privileges of status and influence in this country that were always in violation of our Constitution. They just never got challenged...until knowledge and information began making significant inroads on religions' truth claims. More and more now, it is not enough to say that one's belief is religious. A demonstration of the validity of the belief is now being required as well. When this cannot be demonstrated, the privilege is lost. As it should be.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

Liberals demand that we keep religion out of their government but love to put their government in other people's religion and that is what this issue is all about; forcing government into other people's religious beliefs.

Hugh1
Denver, CO

Ever hear the expression, 'The devil made me do it?' In the upside down logic of this letter titled, "Religious Intolerance," it's not the devil, it's 'God made me do.' I will agree to your version of 'religious freedom' the same day that you agree that I can deny you employment because of your religion - and healthcare. Sound like a deal?

higv
Dietrich, ID

Why do people that don't think God exists or don't think he cares one way or the other get to enforce there morals on people but religious people can't? Double standard there.

airnaut
Everett, 00

higv
Dietrich, ID
Why do people that don't think God exists or don't think he cares one way or the other get to enforce there morals on people but religious people can't? Double standard there.

7:45 a.m. March 25, 2014

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My God told me his plan would be to allow Free Agency.
There would be good things, and bad things --
but we would be free to choose for ourselves.

Another stood up and said his plan was better than God's.
He said there would be no Choice by the indiviual,
that everyone would do what he told them,
and that he would only choose good things for them.

My God said NO.

I say Freedom to Choose.
and keep businesses out of peoples's lives,
and Don't allow Businesses to hide and coward behind Religious Freedom.

Hobby Lobby is a Business - not a religion.

Contraception aside --
This will could set a very nasty precidence if Hobby Lobby wins.

There will be no telling what other "rights" Businesses will have over real people,
ironically --
using their new found "Constitutional Rights" as "people" and
Religion as their new weapon of choice.

Thid Barker
Victor, ID

fas·cism [ fá shìzzəm ]
"1.dictatorial movement: any movement, ideology, or attitude that favors dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, and extreme nationalism."
Sounds like the left to me of which their war on religion is a part.

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

So, how can one say Hobby Lobby should be given license to practice their religion, and in the same breath decry Sharia Law?

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

When the government violates the Constitution by requiring us to buy insurance, why wouldn't it violate the Constitution by establishing a State religion? The government believes in abortion, why wouldn't it have as doctrine of that "religion" to prohibit birth or to destroy life before the baby is born?

Once, we held higher beliefs. Once, we, as a nation, believed in God. Once, we knew how sacred life was. Once, we knew that government was instituted to protect all life:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,"

Now, the government tells us to pay to stop new life; that they will fine us if we don't pay for contraceptives; that they will fine us if we don't accept their religion of abortion on demand.

The 1st Commandment clearly states: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." The government believes differently.

KJB1
Eugene, OR

Thid Barker 8:13 a.m.:

A lot of religious conservatives want to rewrite the law to force others to live by their beliefs (i.e. the demand for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.)

Show me an example of how people are forced to use birth control against their will...

Esquire
Springville, UT

@ Thid Barker, some would say your definition of fascism could apply to organized religions.... It is certainly NOT what our government is pursuing, despite the rhetoric of the right wing.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Darrel. You have it backwards. The constitution gives Hobby Lobby owners the right to practice THEIR religion, without being forced to practice your religion."Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". These two clauses make up what are called the "Religion Clauses" of the First Amendment.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Very eloquently put Karen and also correct.

Religious intolerance, is taught by religion.
The opposite of intolerance is understanding, not just tolerating another group.

Mountanman said: "People own businesses and therefore the people who own business have the rights, duh!"

While the idea that "the people who own business have the rights" should be the republican motto... No. They have the privilege to operate a business, under specific conditions, for which they petition the local or national government for permit or license to do so, and agree to certain rules of safety or conduct.

Religion is a belief, and your personal right, that is all.
It does not grant you special rights over others who don't share your "beliefs"

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