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Published: Monday, March 24 2014 4:10 p.m. MDT

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GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Hmmm . . . This whole thing looks pretty suspicious, doesn't it?

A coal company kills six miners and blames it on a natural earthquake, but nothing in the article suggests that any seismic activity was recorded in that area by the Global Seismograph Network.

So I guess we take the mine owner's word for it, and just ignore the increasing number of coal-mine-related disasters around the country . . . Like the poisoning of Huntington WV's drinking water and the recent spill of coal gunk into a stream in North Carolina that may very well pollute farmland when that stream floods in the spring.

And now, a mining company is suing the EPA? Looks like a diversionary tactic to me.

This is not the time to lighten up on the enforcement of mining regulations.

The public deserves to be protected from government-hating "Conservatives" who want to eliminate useful regulations.

Reporterson
Salt Lake City, UT

Hmm. So the mine was immediately adjacent to the Joe’s Valley Fault. If Mr. Romboy had bothered to research the issue, he would have learned that neither the University of Utah nor Berkeley have publicly concluded what first triggered the main seismic event. Indeed, the University of Utah’s report conceded that “the first motion data alone do not provide definitive results because normal-faulting mechanisms can also be fit to the data.” Such “normal faulting mechanisms” are very consistent with the observed tectonics of the region, including that of the Joe’s Valley Fault. And, "normal-faulting mechanisms" could include fault tip propagation of one or more of the many sympathetic or sub faults that in the sandstone, siltstone and other layers above and below the mine could have affected one or more of the strong sandstone layers that overlay the mine. But, Dennis, instead of ignoring these scientific findings and facts, it's easier to continue spreading the fabricated story that Mr. Murray lied about an earthquake.

Richard Larson
Galt, CA

Remember kids,
This is the man that during the Crandall Mine Disaster
was quoted in a television interview, "I was walking along
a trail in the woods one day when a squirrel jumped up on
top of a tree stump in front of me and said Robert,
you ought to start a coal mine".

high school fan
Huntington, UT

Forget the messenger for a minute and instead concentrate on the message. The Federal Government, the EPA, is closing hundreds of coal mines and hundreds of power plants with nothing on the horizon to adequately replace them. We will pay more, much more, for this action and most of us do not even care because it sounds nice.
Evolution comes because we have better ideas not because it is forced on us because they know better than us. This is not freedom, this is not the American way.
Change will naturally come because that is the way it always has but forced change has never been better for us. Big brother dies not know best nor methinks that he even cares. This is all about control and we all lose.
And as far as the messenger is concerned, I live here where Crandall canyon is and we realize that accidents happen to good people and the mines here move all the time, there is nothing we can do about it unless we completely stop mining but we all still will pass on one way or another.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Let's see...

A Coal Company is about making money.

A Coal Company cuts corners to make more money, and
fails to keep it's mine safe.

9 people die, and he looses his moeny.

He is then sue'd in court.

How does one CYA and get back his money?
He counter sue the mean 'ole nastsy Government for finding him guilty in the 1st place.
Trying to stick it to the rest of us tax payers.

9 families are dealing with loss of the Husbands and Fathers.
1 man is dealing with the loss of his Money,
and trying to spread HIS loss on the rest of us.

And you wonder why I loathe businessmen?

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

According to: Seismological Report on the 6 Aug 2007 Crandall Canyon Mine Collapse in Utah," . . . . "Two lines of evidence indicate that most of the seismic wave energy of this event was generated by the mine collapse rather than a naturally-occurring earthquake.?

. . . But just "most" and not all? How much is most? . . . 51 percent? 99.9 percent?

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

remember, by BO's own words, under his plan electricity rates will of necessity skyrocket.

Objectified
Tooele, UT

Amazing. This article is clearly about a new lawsuit being filed against the EPA for a controversial regulation they issued which will close hundreds of coal powered electricity producing plants around the entire country and cost tens of thousands of jobs and most of the comments here are about 7 year old news that has nothing to do with the recent EPA ruling. Talk about missing the boat.

This isn't a diversion tactic by Murray Energy. It's a survival tactic. If hundreds of plants that use their coal shut down, they will likely go out of business and their thousands of employees will be out of work, along with tens of thousands of other coal miners around the country and other affiliated workers.

The EPA regulation in the center of this issue is huge. If all those coal powered plants are shut down and need to be replaced with new plants, the cost of electricity will rise dramatically for most people in the country. And yet, somehow the jest of all that is missed by most of the above comments as they continue to re-hash 7 year old news. Get with it.

jsf
Centerville, UT

The EPA has become a quasi-government, that makes laws, passes judgement, and executes the rules. None of which is defensible except in costly time consuming law suits. All without oversight or limitations.

MrsH
Altamont, UT

Objectified,
Thank you for your comment. Well thought out, not just a knee-jerk reaction to the "evil coal mines".
Thank you for seeing the big picture.

skeptic
Phoenix, AZ

For what price blood money, that is what counts; the rest is just people: right?

joeandrade
Salt Lake City, UT

There's no 'war on coal' - coal is a very dirty fuel. Period. Nearly the entire Periodic Table is in coal - and then in coal ash (the part that doesn't go up the stacks).

Want cadmium, mercury, arsenic, lead, …? It's all there, as well as the particulates exacerbating our many respiratory problems.

Thank God for California and the EPA - because they actually care about our health. Massey certainly doesn't.

Why doesn't Massey use the $$ he'll spend on this PR-generating lawsuit to help transform the communities his miners and drivers live in - to help those communities transform their economy away from coal, perhaps to renewable energy technologies?

Coal fueled the 18th and 19th C (as well as the 20th). Those centuries are long over. We are now in the 21st C. Our leaders and business people should wake up to that fact.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

@Reporterson:
Murray claims that the Crandall Canyon Mine collapse was triggered by a 3.9 magnitude earthquake, while government seismologists say the mine collapse was the cause of a coal mine bump.[13] Richard E. Stickler, the government's top mine safety official said "It was not -- and I repeat, it was not -- a natural occurring earthquake."[14]
Douglas S. Dreger, a seismologist at the University of California, Berkeley, said in the July 2008 issue of Science that his analysis strongly suggested that the mountain crumbled in two stages: After the pillars collapsed, giant, angled slabs of sandstone above the mine abruptly shifted. When the mine collapse finally occurred, it was so powerful that it registered as a 3.9 earthquake.[15]

Murray is a prime example of money first, corporate mentality, and the usual suspects praise him.

CylonesRus
sunamn, IN

Just in Texas, there have been just shy of4,000 people killed by autos since 1 Janaury 2014. It sad that any one is killed, but, we are mortal so either get some perspective on life, or cut your power line!

CylonesRus
sunamn, IN

A correction just shy of 400 killed not 4000, but still, tragic and risk are part of life. I do not work coal, used to burn it to heat the home, better than gas or electic as to price per BTU.

A Guy With A Brain
Enid, OK

Good!

I hope the EPA gets totally crushed in court.

They won't, but I can still hope it.

EPA: Excessively Protective of All-things-foolish

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