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Published: Sunday, March 23 2014 6:15 p.m. MDT

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Christopher B
Ogden, UT

@moderateinmagna, I'm not sure where you're getting confused. Its quite simple really. If Bronco and the honor code department review the situation and conclude there is evidence he did indeed drink, and if Williams continues to deny he drank(as he plead not guilty to the charge of underage drinking) that would be dishonest - as he told the judge he was not guilty of drinking. Would lying be another honor code violation?

I've never suggested he doesn't have the same rights as anyone, but again, just because he may have a legal right to do something has nothing to do with honesty or the honor code. Its legal to lie. However, its against the honor code to lie. So if he lies and says he didn't drink and yet if(notice, I said if) there is evidence he did drink, would that be another honor code violation?

Like I said moderteinmagna, not sure what part of this confused you. Let me know if I can help you understand further.

Williams is a great talent, and I just recommend he be honest. I'm shocked anyone would disagree with that.

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

@Cougndawgs, I understand the legal process very well, I worked in the legal system for a couple of years.

But you're still confusing his legal right with honesty. Of course a plea in abeyance is often used and of course it would lead in less punishment. But citing how often its used has nothing to do with the question of "Was Jamaal honest"

Cougsndawgs, if you're under the belief that anything that is legal is also "honest", I'd suggest you learn a little more about the legal process.

A plea in abeyance IS saying he didn't do it. At that time the accused can get together with prosecutor and attorney and they review how much evidence there is and negotiate a lesser deal. But its dishonest to deny guilty to the judge if(I said if) in fact a person is guilty.

If Willaims could deny guilt to the honor code office should he also do that Cougsndawgs? After all, that similar to denying guilty when replying to the charge right? After all, then maybe he could negotiate a much less sever punishment with the honor code office. Isn't that your reasoning?

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Chris:
One more time then I'm done because this is getting redundant. If you know the law having worked in that field there are only 3 pleas one can make: Guilty, not guilty, or no contest. The law stipulates that a guilty plea or no contest plea are the defendant waiving due process and accepting the penalty.The judge also understands that a not guilty plea is NOT the same as saying your innocent. You said a plea in abeyance is "saying he didn't do it". Not true in all cases (and you know that). It is a temporary stay on the charges and punishment with stipulations and time parameters for the defendant to prove themselves and not get into further trouble. This in no way infers that the defendant is being dishonest or lying. My brother went through this process and admitted his guilt to the prosecutor and the judge (I was there with him) but used abeyance to show that he would comply with the law in the future, thus keeping it off his record. At no time was he lying or dishonest with the judge or prosecutor.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

ekute
Layton, UT

"It's a matter of public record, you can't keep it out of the news. If you're so proud of you're "higher standard" than don't complain when you're players are held to it."

Vindictive much? No body is complaining that he is being held to the honor code, just that it doesn't need to be compounded by spreading it all over the headlines. It IS a matter of public record. What transpires between him, the Honor Code office and his coach is NOT a matter of public record, and it is not hypocritical or inconsistent for BYU fans to be "proud" of our higher standard, but wish kids who may have run afoul of it could work out their circumstances in private.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

cougsndawgs,

So should Jamaal exercise his legal right to lie to the honor code office as well if that could possibly lead to reduced consequences? After all, its his legal right to do that right?

Veritas Aequitas
Fruit Heights, UT

Chris B

Salt Lake City, UT

cougsndawgs,

So should Jamaal exercise his legal right to lie to the honor code office as well if that could possibly lead to reduced consequences? After all, its his legal right to do that right?
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I would, but I lack you character and high moral standards.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Veritas

"I would, but I lack you character and high moral standards"

You would lie to the honor code office? Isn't that against the honor code? I guess the honor code doesn't mean much then huh?

ekute
Layton, UT

Y Grad / Y Dad,
He's a well known football player charged with breaking the law. This would be news at any University. Am I vindictive? Well, if the article was about a Utah football player it would be followed with 400 comments from happy valley.

Greg4BYU
Provo, UT

So, Chris. What do you think should be the penalty for these "multiple" infractions? I have a feeling that no matter what it ends up being, you are going to scream.

I'd be interested in hearing ahead of time what you think the penalty should be.

Veritas Aequitas
Fruit Heights, UT

Chris,

You quoted me word for word. What part do you not understand?

CBAX
Provo, UT

Is he over 18 but under 21?

backpacn
Sandy, UT

Sorry to disappoint the BYU haters, but despite their dire, unfounded predictions, Bronco and Jamaal already addressed this issue over a month ago and it's already been resolved.

Nothing to see here, move on.

DeepBlue
Anaheim, CA

I can just see CB kicking and screaming because Jamaal and Bronco have already dealt with this situation behind closed doors and whatever they've agreed to will remain confidential.

It's interesting that the individuals who have the least respect for BYU's Honor Code are the same individuals who are the most adamant about seeing it strictly enforced.

They obviously completely misunderstand the fundamental purpose of the Honor Code.

BleedCougarBlue
Enid, OK

Hmmmmm......I'm confused. This might be a misdemeanor in the legal sense but drinking is against BYU's Honor Code so how does this not result in Williams being temporarily suspended from the team? Maybe he approached Bronco before the story broke/on his own?

Good luck, Jamaal, to making better decisions in the future.

One way or another, we've all been there.

Go Cougars!

runnerguy50
Virginia Beach, Va

BleedCougarBlue, the answer to the question is he is a football player. They have special rights that no other human in America has.

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