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Published: Sunday, March 23 2014 6:15 p.m. MDT

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PAC12Fan
South Jordan, UT

No way! Due to the honor code, this just doesn't happen at BYU like it does at all the other schools across America. Good talent.

Darren Rowe
Heber City, UT

Chris B,

A not guilty plea doesn't mean Jamaal is denying his guilt, it simply means he is forcing the court to prove his guilt. (It doesn't make much sense to me either, I would think the term not guilty means he is saying he is innocent. The difference is whether the court needs to prove the guilt.)

I personally think that if Jamaal had alcohol in his blood, breath, or urine, it would be pretty hard to win with a not guilty plea. Maybe there is something he and his attorney have up their sleeve.

Remember, if there is any shadow of a doubt regarding his guilt, he will be ruled innocent.

Ed Grady
Idaho Falls, ID

Slap his wrists - put him in some type of counseling - get him on the field.

Weber State Graduate
Clearfield, UT

From what I hear about his mom, if I were him, I would fear her much more than I would the Court or BYU if she finds out it's true. She's a class lady and Jamaal will have lots of "splaining" to do

idablu
Idaho Falls, ID

@EdGrady

I agree with your comment with a slight chuckle. Unfortunately, I fear his punishment will be more severe, if he was indeed drinking, and based on the evidence presented in the article, he was.

I am just frustrated that with so much riding on this little indiscretion--his career, his teammates, his coaches--he chooses to do that anyway. Yes we all make mistakes, especially when we are young. But still puzzling to me, nevertheless.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Veritas,

I said very clearly "if" it's determined he drank.

Would disagree that being dishonest goes against the honor code?

And if(like I said the first time, if) he drank should he be honest and admit it?

jarka-rus
Layton, Utah

Just aren't anymore more role models in any sport at any university in college sports, so glad I grew up in the day where you could look up to sports figures without finding out later they were losers

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Darren,

He has been accused of underage drinking. Pleading not guilty means he denies the truthfulness of the charge.

I agree it has implications for how it goes through the court process. But honesty is honesty.

UtahUte91
Sandy, UT

Sorry Chris, but you've gone way over the line on this one expecting anyone to give up his Constitutional Right to due process.

Aren't people of other religions also expected to tell the truth? Or do people of faith automatically surrender their constitutional rights to due process?

As is said in the Bible, he who is without sin, let him cast the first stone.

Buster
Fruit Heights, UT

Chris B

Salt Lake City, UT

Veritas,

I said very clearly "if" it's determined he drank.

Would disagree that being dishonest goes against the honor code?

And if(like I said the first time, if) he drank should he be honest and admit it?

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Chris B

Salt Lake City, UT

If he pleads not guilty is that an additional honor code violation if its determine(by the honor code or bronco) that he did drink?

After all, isn't being honest part of the honor code?

He broke the law and should suffer the consequences.
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Dude, you said honor code or Bronco. You never mentioned his rights as a citizen.

Then claimed he broke the law and should suffer the consequences.

No mention of court, due process, or the right to state his case.

Like I said, you went way over your line.

I say it would go a long way to man up and give the kid an apology.

Words come back to bite you ChrisB.

runnerguy50
Virginia Beach, Va

Chris B is right. If Williams drank when he said he was innocent it's an Honor code violation. I'm a Cougar fan and like Bronco but some of our fans want separate rules for the football team. How sad.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Buster and utah ute,

Wow you guys are making all sorts of things up and misquoting me

Never did I suggest he shouldn't have the same legal rights as anyone.

I simply said he should be honest.

Or do you think being honest isn't part of the honor code?

Are you two seriously justifying lying?

I have been clear that IF(never did I conclude he broke any law) he broke the law he should be honest.

Can't believe some of you are disagreeing he should be honest.

nhatch82
Eagle Mountain, UT

@aggie5

"These type of issues would never happen in Logan."

Uhh....you must have missed the whole Jarred Shaw drug bust in December. You know he was your leading scorer on the basketball team that got suspended and had a 10 day stint in jail for drugs. Couldn't have happened at USU? This would be considered problem at any institution because he is underage and it is illegal. This isn't just an honor code violation people. Yes some institutions would just sweep it under the rug, but that's just how some institutions do things

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

Williams, 18, was charged with being a minor with a measurable concentration of alcohol in his blood, breath or urine, a class B misdemeanor, for an unspecified incident on Feb. 16.

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What was the unspecified incident, a party? Then big deal. If so I wonder how many else got arrested?

As far as the honor code, that's between him and the HC police.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Chris B:
Pleading not guilty does not mean Williams is being dishonest. Part of due process is the ability to enter a plea in abeyance. In order to get a plea in abeyance one has to plead not guilty even if they were in fact breaking the law. It's a legal issue, not an honesty issue, but leave it to you to judge so quickly. A plea in abeyance allows him an opportunity to clear it from his record while pleading guilty would stay on his record. It would help to understand how the law works before throwing further accusations at people.

Ted H.
Midvale, UT

Veritas: I'm a BYU fan but I don't see where Chris has implied Jamaal isn't due the same rights as anyone. But legal doesn't equal honest, and that's what Chris is pointing out.

idablu
Idaho Falls, ID

Gotta go with Chris on this one. You guys are making a bigger deal out of his post than it really is.

BYU Joe
MISSION VIEJO, CA

Thank goodness he did this in March - We need him come September.

Oh and I have no idea what he did as I am forgetting it right now. But I am getting a Tee Shirt together that says "Free Jamaal"

You know as in give him the ball and break him out of the backfield and let Jamaal run free - what else did you think I meant?

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

TedH & Idablu:
I'm simply trying to explain to Chris that pleading not guilty does not mean the accused is saying he didn't do it (lying, as Chris is insinuating with Jamal). People plead not guilty because by doing so they can meet with the prosecutor and discuss options like plea in abeyance that will be better for Jamal in the future. If he just pleads guilty that goes on his permanent record, while plea in abeyance allows him to meet certain stipulations and time without further delinquency established by the judge, after which the charge and conviction are wiped from his record. That is not being dishonest it is utilizing due process to give an 18 yr old a chance to prove himself and provide the best outcome for him. If Chris understood that half of accused persons use not guilty pleas to allow them a plea in abeyance option, he would realize that it's not dishonesty, it's about seeking the best possible outcome even if one is in fact guilty. Jamal isn't necessarily saying he didn't do it, he's making sure he is doing what's best for his future.

moderateinmagna
MAGNA, UT

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

If he pleads not guilty is that an additional honor code violation if its determine(by the honor code or bronco) that he did drink?

After all, isn't being honest part of the honor code?

He broke the law and should suffer the consequences.dont try to say anjybody is misquoting you here is the exact thing you said and you did say[ honor code or bronco] so who is misquoting you.

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