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Published: Thursday, March 20 2014 10:00 p.m. MDT

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Shane333
Cedar Hills, UT

@On the other hand,

It appears that you do not understand what representative government means. The caucus system is absolutely representative government, in that it elects delegates that represent the majority views of those who choose to participate in their civic duty. That is no different than how city, state, or federal representatives are chosen.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

At our caucus, the Republican Platform was read. I agree with every plank on that platform. On the other hand, I read the Democrat Platform. How can anyone believe that the life of an innocent unborn baby could be destroyed because one person decides that the baby is not wanted? If someone went to court with that as a defense for destroying a life after birth, he would spend the rest of his life in prison.

At out caucus, we talked with our neighbors whom we have known for oyears. We've worked with them on various projects. We know which ones are fair. We know which ones are diligent. We know which ones walk the walk and don't just talk the talk. We elected two State delegates and five county delegates. All were honorable men and women with complete integrity.

Those who tell us that we can't vote for a candidate might ask themselves when the last time was that they voted for a Federal Judge or a member of the Supreme Court. 100 Senators out of 330,000,000 citizens makes that choice for us. 4,000 delegates will vett candidates for the Republican Party.

TallGuy1970
Syracuse, UT

I am a life-long conservative, but I have grown to HATE the Republican caucuses. Because I don't think we need to privatize all public schools and I think that compromise is sometimes necessary, I have, at recent caucuses, become the target of scorn and criticism, and my voice has most definitely not been heard.

I have been shouted down by the ultra-conservative folks who tend to dominate the whole evening. I am sick of their talk about "principled leadership," which basically means they are unwilling or mentally unable to even speak to people with whom they disagree.

Give me a voice, MY OWN REPUBLICAN VOICE, in selecting my elected representatives! Bring back Count My Vote!!!

Hey It's Me
Salt Lake City, UT

@ flashback: You wouldn't vote for anyone who tries to bypass the caucus. . .even if they were a better candidate who represented your views. That shows how intelligent some voters are. I try to keep an open mind and look at everyone to see who represents me the best!

One opinion
west jordan, UT

I attended our caucus meeting last night and was again delighted to see so many people who are interested in how we are governed. Everyone got an opportunity to volunteer to serve in various positions as well as express how they felt things were going. This is the one place that a common ordinary citizen has the opportunity to support people that they feel has their interests at heart. Changes come from persistent involvement in what we stand for as individuals. When enough people become involved, changes do happen. We see that happening all around us. Caucus meetings are certainly one avenue of knowing what is going on. I am grateful for the opportunity to participate.

Kirk Strickland
LAYTON, UT

I was extremely disappointed that our caucus started 20 minutes late in order to accommodate anyone who might drift in late. I was also disappointed that time was used to present a program putting down Count My Vote and promoting the traditional caucus system while offering no chance for opposing response (and is anyone else weary of the animated hand making illustrative, say-and-see line drawings in video presentations?). If Republican insiders are so concerned about late comers, why are they not concerned about all those who, for perfectly acceptable reasons, were not able to attend at all? Also, in our precinct meeting there were reports of several people who could not hang around through all of the delays--as well as many who had to leave mid-meeting--before casting their votes and express their views. Is this the latest tactic by the ultra-conservative Republican establishment to weed out non-traditionalists to retain control? They still don't seem to get it. Congratulations, however, to those in the legislature who seem to at least to acknowledge CMV concerns and search for a balanced solution.

aceroinox
Farmington, UT

Bottom line: we live in a republic, not a democracy. A republic works better than a democracy because most of us are not able or willing to become thoroughly educated on the salient issues to the level required to make the best decisions. A republic works to the extent that we have volunteers willing to research the issues and educate themselves. It's my job to either ante up and become one of those people, or to find one of those people whom I trust to represent me. Even if we all had the time and willingness to meet all the candidates and interview them personally, it would be a physical impossibility for the candidates. Just as in a company a small number of people are delegated the responsibility to interview job candidates, the caucus/delegate/convention system allows for our delegates to meet each of the candidates personally and conduct those interviews.

It is a layered, but more efficient system than a democracy. That said, each of our elected officials is accessible to us once on the job. I've found most (Senator Hatch excluded) are very responsive.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

Still though, my biggest problem with the caucus system is that any hard-working Utahns who have to work when the caucus is meeting are out of luck when it comes to being able to exercise their right to vote.

airnaut
Everett, 00

A picture says a thousand words.

And by that front Deseret News pictre...
The GOP caucus was 98% White, Older, and Males.

America will be 53% Hispanic in less than 20 years.

Good bye, GOP.
btw -
R.I.P.

Claire B
West Jordan, UT

There can and SHOULD be legal challenge. When it comes to SB 54, *"This matter is out of their authority pursuant to the Constitution. SB 54 is a "compromise" between two sides. But the problem is the side truly at issue (the political parties) was NOT involved in this compromise. The compromise is between a group of citizens and some of the leadership in the legislature. They "compromised" on what process to require of PRIVATE political parties in selecting who will be endorsed as the party's candidate for local, state and national offices.*This compromise ignored the political parties themselves. Parties exist to gather supporters around certain principles, and to endorse a candidate who supports the party platform. This process involves their protected exercise of their freedom of expression, freedom of speech, and freedom of association. These rights are all deeply protected under the 1st and 14th Amendments. Supreme Court case law tells us that the State can ONLY interfere in the internal workings of a party if there's "a compelling state interest," such as a civil rights issue, *which is not in question in this case. Consequently, this is simply not the legislature's fight."-Ken Ivory

Janet
Ontario, OR

@cmsense: The photos tell the story, unintentionally perhaps. If angry, obdurate, xenophobic people, who think their ultra-conservative and exclusionary viewpoint is the only legitimate one, continue to run the Republican party, they will run it into the ground.

Mark from Montana
Davis County, UT

I didn't even try and go this year. I went two years ago and couldn't even get in the room. Plus, even though I am a registered Republican, they didn't have my name on the list. My daughter who had just turned 18 and had also registered, was not on the list and was not allowed to vote.

For me, the caucus system is all about the radical wings of the party controlling the agenda, the candidates that are put forth and the party platform. If things don't change, I will withdraw from the party and find a group understands how to govern.

kvnsmnsn
Springville, UT

My precinct's caucus began with a prayer, LDS-style. I didn't mind that, but there seemed to be a theme that one needed to believe in God in order to effectively govern. I was nominated for the position of state delegate, and in my thirty seconds of allowed speech I made it clear that while I believe in God, and in fact think it's a good idea to believe in God, still I would work with people who don't believe in God. I don't think one has to believe in God in order to be a valid participator in the governing process. I don't know if it was that issue that did me in, but I was one of the five candidates that weren't selected. But I got nominated as a county delegate too, and there were seven of us nominated and only seven positions (the eight delegate was the precinct vice chair), so the precinct chair who was running things didn't even call a vote. It'll be interesting to see what the job of county delegate entails.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Conservatives will not be happy in their Utopian quest until America becomes the Western Hemisphere's Somalia.

No Government,
Everyone carrying guns for self preservation,
No evironmental regulations,
Tribal wafare vs Neighborhood Gangs,
He who has the gold, makes the rules.

Total Anarchy.
Dog eat Dog Law of the Jungle,
Only the Strong survive.

Lord of the Flies.

aceroinox
Farmington, UT

@Schnee--

Seriously? "Hard working Utahns?" I think most of us are hard-working Utahns, and I don't believe I'm the only one who had to make work arrangements in order to be at the caucus meeting. We know well in advance when the caucus meetings are. If someone wants to attend they can trade shifts or get it off.

So enough already with the "I had to work so I couldn't attend" schtick. It's once every two years, not every week, and it's the best opportunity we have to get involved in government at the grass roots level. If you don't want to attend, just say so, but don't make lame excuses.

Ken
Sandy, UT

airnaut - You have strikingly similar response to Open Minded Mormon(also from Everett, 00)

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I guess you two think alike.

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Its true the GOP is in trouble. With a population already being encouraged to blame the rich for their problems instead of taking responsibility - it just perpetuates the problem. The cycle repeats and compounds of more people blaming the rich instead of going out and getting a job

MGB
Saint George, UT

It would be interesting to know how many of the people who signed the CMV petition have ever attended a caucus meeting.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

One poster complained about an "LDS prayer" at the start of his caucus meeting. I've been a member of that church since I was eight, but I don't have a copy of a "LDS Prayer Book". Does an LDS prayer differ from prayers offered by other Christians? Hopefully, he listened to the Republican Platform: "We, the Republican Party of the Great State of Utah, affirm our belief in God and declare our support for government based upon a moral and spiritual foundation." If he missed the reading of the platform, maybe he should open his wallet and look at the phrase on his money, "In God We Trust". If that's not enough for him, maybe he's not familiar with the Declaration of Independence, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." If all else fails, perhaps he should read George Washington's Prayer for America: "Almighty GOD; we make our earnest prayer that Thou wilt keep the United States in Thy holy protection . . ."

LoveLife
Riverton, UT

Apparently several of the commentators here missed the changes to the caucus procedures to allow for "absentee" voting. I would recommend a search with "Utah gop caucus same day voting" or "same day ballots" to see the changes that you missed.

CrtclThnkr
Mapleton, UT

I went to my caucus meeting and while I appreciate the value of a community meeting together to discuss important political topics, I don’t understand why I need someone to represent me to decide who I can vote for. I absolutely understand why I need a Representative to vote on bills and to draft legislation, but I don't know why I need a representative to tell me who I can choose to represent me. I really like the people in my precinct but I don't necessarily want them to represent me in this way. The compromise reached by CMV was a reasonable one but it will likely reduce the power of a small and vocal slice of the party and they don't like that. If a candidate can demonstrate he has enough popular support to run for an office, then I see no reason why I shouldn't have the choice to vote for him/her. I believe in representative government, I just don't feel I need a representative to tell me who I can choose to represent me.

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