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Published: Thursday, March 20 2014 10:00 p.m. MDT

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Shane333
Cedar Hills, UT

I got back from my precinct caucus meeting about half an hour ago. It was wonderful. Everyone who bothered to show up was welcomed. All votes were counted (they've always been counted). People were encouraged to share their views.

The only way a vote wasn't counted was if someone refused to go and cast it, the same as with primary or general elections.

Shaun
Sandy, UT

After looking at the photos of the gop caucus I wondered if I was looking at diversity panel.

On the other hand
Riverdale, MD

@Shane333, glad to hear that all votes were counted. Pray tell, how does your vote translate into support for the candidates you care about? Unless you got elected as a delegate, there's no guarantee that they do. Therein lies the fundamental flaw with the caucus system: it's not representative.

cmsense
Kaysville, UT

I went to my caucus yesterday as well (my 1st). I spent close to 2 hours there. My wife had to stay home and watch our 5 kids (her vote was not counted). I did not know any of the people who volunteered to be delegates before hand. After hearing them they all sounded the same, all against CMV, all for a no mercy, send them and their kids who grew up here back immigration policy, all against common core and the ACA etc. I am for fiscal conservatism (but don't shut down the government) and socially conservative (but domestic partnerships are ok with me). I was expecting at least 1 moderate candidate who I thought would choose a Sen. Bennet over a Mike Lee for example. I could not support any of the delegates. They were all too far right. I left. My vote was not counted. Sorry, I don't need a representative to choose my representative!

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

The caucus system is fine for determining party policies and programs, and electing party officials. Candidates for office should be determined, at all levels of the election process, by the direct vote of the public. Keep the caucus for the things it properly determines, and let the people vote to decide who is going to be on the final ballot.

I know it. I Live it. I Love it.
Provo, UT

"the traditional caucus system will remain in place."

Um, no it isn't...

Creating a means of bypassing a system designed to not be bypassed destroys any integrity the system could have. But I suppose as long as a few prominent guys support it we all should?

1) Money shouldn't buy elections
2) People should only get one say, not the ability to influence both their own primary candidates and another party's.

Our democracy has been weakened not only by the federal government, but what we see happening in our own state. There is nothing democratic about giving more power to elect and get elected than one should have. If people can't see the problems with this, then so be it.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

I was sad...
Why does the GOP just have to be blindly be against anything the Democrats are for?

Clean Air is for ALL of us.

The Delegate in our precinct ran on a personal platform of
"I'm against anything the EPA is for."

And won.
Sad.

Cats
Somewhere in Time, UT

If you're concerned about your voice being heard, all you have to do is show up.

I really think it should be up to the parties to decide how they choose their nominees and not up to the legislature to tell them how they choose them.

Esquire
Springville, UT

So the "insiders" like the insider process. Hardly surprising. Just because people don't take the time to sit through a meeting doesn't mean they don't have an interest in the outcome. Why do you need a meeting to choose your leaders?

Flashback
Kearns, UT

We had over 60 people in our caucus last night. Heaven help the Republican that tries to bypass the caucus. Me and a whole lot of people will not be voting for them. None of them would vote for a candidate that bypasses the caucus.

The Bennett crybabies that support CMV are duly warned.

cityslickergrandma
Salt Lake City, UT

I've been to lots of caucus meetings and I went last night, but I am still glad that there is an alternative method. The people that were more conservative were the ones elected to be delegates. I don't feel moderates have a voice in either party (and I've been to both party's caucuses because I don't feel I really belong to either party).

Esquire
Springville, UT

It just dawned on me. Didn't the Democrats caucus as well? I guess this paper is only going to promote the Republican Party....

XelaDave
Salem, UT

The title of this piece is based on the evidence of going to a few caucus sites and asking the choir if they like singing in the choir- I would expect more from a paper that says it is for rigor and critical thinking

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Besides the "People over Fish" Anti-anything Enviromental at our caucus meeting,

I listened as 2 of the nominees went on and on about paying Taxes and the Evil Government.

1 raised 9 children (hasn't paid taxes in over 25 years due to the $25,000 annual Standard deduction he's been taking, let alone the rest of us paying for their educations, etc...),

The other one complaining about Taxes and Evil Government -- has been unemployed 4 of the last 6 years -- still has his house, drives a car 15 yeaers newer and nicer than mine, Big New Flat Screen HDTV, and all new leather furniture, and his family is very well fed... all coutesty of the very Tax dollars they were compaling about.

I registured as a Rebublican becasue I wanted to have a voice,
and I only mentioned wanting cleaner Air ---

I got shouted down,
and by the very people who HATE the system they have been taking advantage of.

I will be renouncing my GOP membership [again] 1st thing this morning.

Living Above the Lighthouse
Spanish Fork, UT

For those who don't think the caucus system is representative because "how does your vote translate into support for the candidates you care about? Unless you got elected as a delegate, there's no guarantee that they do" - your vote for a candidate for Congress or the state legislature doesn't necessarily translate into support for the policies you care about, either. The parallel is there. You just have to vote for the people who you think will do the job you want - as a caucus delegate or as a candidate. And if you do not see people you agree with running - run yourself! The worst that can happen is that you get voted down. I wanted to see a different candidate than Hatch for the Senate in 2012, and ran to be a delegate - and got voted down, but at least I tried.

Mary E Petty
Sandy, UT

Thanks to the passing of SB54, I don’t wonder what the end of our traditional caucus system will portend for Utah politics. Just read the Breitbart article entitled: McClintock Race Could Give Democrats New Playbook To Take Out Conservatives - to see the end results of a COUNT MY VOTE open primary system. He who has the gold makes the winners! Utah Politics has gone Big TIME EXPENSIVE! And open to outside control....

Or to put it in another way: Who ever heard of kindergarteners having a say in who was the Senior Class President? That’s what SB54 has done for Utah!

RSLfanalways
West Valley, UT

I like the comments that all you need to do is show up to the caucus and you will be heard. We live in a new era where people don't have a normal 9 to 5 job,we don't live in the 1950's anymore. If the party doesn't adapt it will fail quickly.

Shane333
Cedar Hills, UT

@cmsense,

It would appear that your views are simply not the majorities views of those who participate in their civic duties. Thus, if you were not elected as a delegate, the caucus system worked in representing the majority. Votes were indeed counted.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@Living Above the Lighthouse
"your vote for a candidate for Congress or the state legislature doesn't necessarily translate into support for the policies you care about, either."

True, but at least there you only have one layer to go through and can directly vote against them next time if they fail to adequately satisfy.

sherlock holmes
Eastern, UT

I don't understand how the caucus system increases public involvement. It is just the opposite, just like the BYU and U of U bball post season. One and done. There is no involvement after the caucus unless you are one of the very few delegates.

A primary election system gives the voter a far bigger voice and more opportunity for involvement.

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