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Published: Friday, March 21 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Wait just a cott'in pick second...

For months we were told it was Utah House DEMOCRATS who were on a vindictive political WitchHunt to smear a elected Republican's good name.

NOW,
After being caught as red-handed....

The Republicans are trying to take credit for cleaning their own House.

You can't have it both ways,
and not be called a Hypocrite.

liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

According to the New York Times article, the payday lenders where behind the Swallow financial shenanigans.

Maybe before the Utah legislators injure their shoulders patting themselves on the back, they should consider banning these predatory bottom feeders, like many other states have done!

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

Why is it when one party is caught doing something the retort is almost always, "Well, your guy did it too!" ???

We should all be embarrassed, right and wrong are not relative. If it was wrong for a Democrat to do, it is wrong for a Republican as well, and vice versa.

Ralph West Jordan
Taylorsville, UT

Liberal Larry is spot on! Welcome to the Utah "Good ole boy system". In my opinion the reason the Leg. went after Swallow was to stop the inquiries from going higher or deeper! Don't get me wrong, Swallow got what he deserved. Me thinks it was "Throw Swallow under the bus to keep the heat off us". There is more to the story!

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

"... we should be proud of Utah’s House Republicans, who insisted on investigating the John Swallow corruption story."

Yes, good thing they did not bury and ignore the allegations of wrong doing that were made while he was campaigning for the AG's office - oh, wait, if they had investigated then, Swallow might not have been elected at all!

Only once Swallow was under Federal Investigation did the House decide maybe they should pay attention and see what was really going on.

Of course, it also helps if you look at the facts of the case in Philly - the informant had a $430,000 fraud case against him dropped by the previous AG (who was Republican) in exchange for wearing a wire and offering bribes to certain elected officials (who all happened to be Democrats). That sounds winnable - not. Why waste taxpayer money pursuing it?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Integrity... and Politics... quite an ironic juxtaposition of terms.

I'm left wondering... How much have we spent on the investigation (AFTER he resigned). And how much more are we going to give the lawyers and their investigators? And how much value is the investigation going to bring the people of Utah?

Can he resign again? Can we bankrupt him again? Or is the prize more political?

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I think Swallow got what he deserved (humiliation and his career destroyed). But what more can be gained? Take down MORE people possibly?

If we didn't know politicians took money from campaign contributors (even before this investigation)... we need to wake up.

VST
Bountiful, UT

This is very interesting.

The article is all about some Pennsylvania Democrat politicians accepting bribes. However, all but one of the posted comments is about John Swallow.

This is called deflection. If you don’t like the original story, then change the subject.

airnaut
Everett, 00

VST
Bountiful, UT
This is very interesting.

The article is all about some Pennsylvania Democrat politicians accepting bribes. However, all but one of the posted comments is about John Swallow.

This is called deflection. If you don’t like the original story, then change the subject.

11:15 a.m. March 21, 2014

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Are you upset?
Not a local story?
What does that have to do here?

Where are your outrage about the daily Steven Powell articles the DN runs?

VST
Bountiful, UT

@airnaut,

Are you upset?

No.

Not a local story?

Yes.

What does that have to do here?

I am merely making an observation about political deflection from the subject of the original article regarding the comments being made.

And, you are still deflecting.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

Back in the 1980's I played a board game called "Lie Cheat and Steal". It was a fun game to play, and I didn't quite get the satire. It was a game about dirty politics, unfortunately it was a game predicting the future.

This needs a humorous turn. How about we go to political jokes?

Q: How do you know when a politician is lying.

A: When you see his lips moving.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

@ VST: From the letter, "When we see stories like this, where Democrats intervene in investigations to protect fellow Democrats, we should be proud of Utah’s House Republicans, who insisted on investigating the John Swallow corruption story. With their supermajority, they could have easily buried it."

The letter is _not_ all about Pennsylvania Democrats - the letter is a comparison of how an investigation in Pennsylvania was handled in comparison to an investigation in Utah.

The Utah investigation happened to involve John Swallow (who is mentioned by name in the letter), so yes, it is about local politics and it is about John Swallow, so the comments are about local politics and John Swallow - and some express some disagreement with the author's conclusions.

"I am merely making an observation about political deflection from the subject of the original article regarding the comments being made."

The only person deflecting, would be you. You are trying to change the subject by attacking the (very on-topic) comments of other posters.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

VST said: The article is all about some Pennsylvania Democrat politicians accepting bribes. However, all but one of the posted comments is about John Swallow.

Kalindra ads info left out by the article...
Of course, it also helps if you look at the facts of the case in Philly - the informant had a $430,000 fraud case against him dropped by the previous AG (who was Republican) in exchange for wearing a wire and offering bribes to certain elected officials (who all happened to be Democrats). That sounds winnable - not. Why waste taxpayer money pursuing it?

From the article:"we should be proud of Utah’s House Republicans, who insisted on investigating the John Swallow corruption story."

Seem like the article is comparing the 2, poorly I might add, but it is making a comparison. Sorry you must have believed John.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

It was a game about dirty politics, unfortunately it was a game predicting the future.
This needs a humorous turn. How about we go to political jokes?

Q: How do you know when a politician is lying.

A: When you see his lips moving.

12:33 p.m. March 21, 2014

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Know what makes it even funnier?

Looking back you rabidly defending John Swallow on these posts!

Now THAT'S Funny!

VST
Bountiful, UT

@Kalindra,

When I read the article and the comments made at that time, yours was the ONLY comment made that I felt was on-topic (sorry to disagree, but the others were NOT on topic). All the rest seemed to be aimed at bashing John Swallow and Utah Republicans in the legislature, hence, my comment about deflection.

In this instance, nothing is gained by doing that – it becomes pure political hate regardless of the intent in the original article.

Steve Cottrell
Centerville, UT

Our Republican Legislature could do better at passing and implementing ethics legislation.

factsplease
SLO, CA

More to the story:

The Pennsylvania Attorney General's Office ran an undercover sting operation over three years that captured leading Philadelphia Democrats, including four members of the city's state House delegation, on tape accepting money, The Inquirer has learned.

Yet no one was charged with a crime.

Prosecutors began the sting in 2010 when Republican Tom Corbett was attorney general. After Democrat Kathleen G. Kane took office in 2013, she shut it down.

"In an interview, District Attorney Ed Marsico, a Republican, said his staff had reviewed a summary of the investigation prepared by Kane's staff and determined the case "almost unprosecutable."
(Philadelphia Inquirer)

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

Enjoy this bantering folks because it will continue again and again until you force an elimination of the legal bribery system we accept, since especially the right have accepted Citizens United as a law of the land. If you believe corporations are people and money is speech then your participation in the electorial process is just a waste of time.

Utefan60
Salt Lake City, UT

The House Republicans didn't insist on the investigation, in fact they screamed loudly that it was politically motivated by the Democrats. Finally when they realized it was going to blow up, they reluctantly agreed. They knew it was a political powder keg to keep Swallow around. The New York Times did a very in depth article about the corruption that Swallow and probably others perpetrated. Good reading. This is the problem with one party rule in this state. No checks and no balances.

2 bit
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Utefan60
Re "No checks and no balances"...

All of Swallow's sins happened BEFORE he was elected. The time to weed guys like him out is the election. It's our job. It's our job to NOT elect people like swallow.

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I spoke with several Republican delegates (relatives) about Swallow before the election (had a bad feeling about him) and they were very concerned about him and didn't vote for him (at convention).

Swallow barely got threw Convention. But won the party primary by more than 2-to-1 (because most voters never spoke with him, just impressed with the insider endorsements and good commercials and organizing).

Swallow also won the general election by even wider margin (same reason, endorsements, advertisements, clueless votes).

He barely fooled the people at convention. He fooled the people at the party primary big time. He fooled the general election voters even more. All they knew about him was his party affiliation, the past AG endorsed him, and his commercials.

When you vote just based on those things... people like Swallow can win. All they need is money to advertise, the party nomination, and insider's endorsements. And most Utahns will mindlessly vote for him.

Utefan60
Salt Lake City, UT

2 bit

Re: All of Swallow's sins happened BEFORE he was elected.

Not quite, he continued to cover up, destroy evidence and cover himself well after he was elected. These issues happened well after he was elected.

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