This state oozes self righteousness!
To "LDS Liberal" go back and read my posts. I did not defend John
Swallow. I only asked where was the evidence of his guilt.Imagaine
I started to accuse you of robbing a bank without any proof. Somehow I got it
into the news that you were guilty. Would you accept being fired from your job
because you were only accused of a crime, or would you fight it?At
the time, there was no evidence that John Swallow had comitted any crimes, so
why should I have accepted the public judgement? Again, I only asked for proof
that he had actually done something wrong. Your ilk and their hatred of
Republicans did not care to wait until there was evidence to convict him.The big question is why were you judging him before any evidence was
2 bit Re: All of Swallow's sins happened BEFORE he was
elected.Not quite, he continued to cover up, destroy evidence and
cover himself well after he was elected. These issues happened well after he
Utefan60 Re "No checks and no balances"...All of
Swallow's sins happened BEFORE he was elected. The time to weed guys like
him out is the election. It's our job. It's our job to NOT elect
people like swallow. ===I spoke with several
Republican delegates (relatives) about Swallow before the election (had a bad
feeling about him) and they were very concerned about him and didn't vote
for him (at convention). Swallow barely got threw Convention.
But won the party primary by more than 2-to-1 (because most voters never spoke
with him, just impressed with the insider endorsements and good commercials and
organizing). Swallow also won the general election by even wider
margin (same reason, endorsements, advertisements, clueless votes).He barely fooled the people at convention. He fooled the people at the party
primary big time. He fooled the general election voters even more. All they
knew about him was his party affiliation, the past AG endorsed him, and his
commercials.When you vote just based on those things... people like
Swallow can win. All they need is money to advertise, the party nomination,
and insider's endorsements. And most Utahns will mindlessly vote for him.
The House Republicans didn't insist on the investigation, in fact they
screamed loudly that it was politically motivated by the Democrats. Finally
when they realized it was going to blow up, they reluctantly agreed. They knew
it was a political powder keg to keep Swallow around. The New York Times did a
very in depth article about the corruption that Swallow and probably others
perpetrated. Good reading. This is the problem with one party rule in this
state. No checks and no balances.
Enjoy this bantering folks because it will continue again and again until you
force an elimination of the legal bribery system we accept, since especially the
right have accepted Citizens United as a law of the land. If you believe
corporations are people and money is speech then your participation in the
electorial process is just a waste of time.
More to the story:The Pennsylvania Attorney General's Office
ran an undercover sting operation over three years that captured leading
Philadelphia Democrats, including four members of the city's state House
delegation, on tape accepting money, The Inquirer has learned.Yet no
one was charged with a crime.Prosecutors began the sting in 2010
when Republican Tom Corbett was attorney general. After Democrat Kathleen G.
Kane took office in 2013, she shut it down."In an interview,
District Attorney Ed Marsico, a Republican, said his staff had reviewed a
summary of the investigation prepared by Kane's staff and determined the
case "almost unprosecutable."(Philadelphia Inquirer)
Our Republican Legislature could do better at passing and implementing ethics
Redshirt1701Deep Space 9, UtIt was a game about dirty
politics, unfortunately it was a game predicting the future.This needs a
humorous turn. How about we go to political jokes?Q: How do you know
when a politician is lying.A: When you see his lips moving.12:33 p.m. March 21, 2014=========== Know what makes
it even funnier?Looking back you rabidly defending John Swallow on
these posts!Now THAT'S Funny!
VST said: The article is all about some Pennsylvania Democrat politicians
accepting bribes. However, all but one of the posted comments is about John
Swallow.Kalindra ads info left out by the article...Of course,
it also helps if you look at the facts of the case in Philly - the informant had
a $430,000 fraud case against him dropped by the previous AG (who was
Republican) in exchange for wearing a wire and offering bribes to certain
elected officials (who all happened to be Democrats). That sounds winnable -
not. Why waste taxpayer money pursuing it?From the article:"we
should be proud of Utah’s House Republicans, who insisted on investigating
the John Swallow corruption story."Seem like the article is
comparing the 2, poorly I might add, but it is making a comparison. Sorry you
must have believed John.
@ VST: From the letter, "When we see stories like this, where Democrats
intervene in investigations to protect fellow Democrats, we should be proud of
Utah’s House Republicans, who insisted on investigating the John Swallow
corruption story. With their supermajority, they could have easily buried
it."The letter is _not_ all about Pennsylvania Democrats - the
letter is a comparison of how an investigation in Pennsylvania was handled in
comparison to an investigation in Utah. The Utah investigation
happened to involve John Swallow (who is mentioned by name in the letter), so
yes, it is about local politics and it is about John Swallow, so the comments
are about local politics and John Swallow - and some express some disagreement
with the author's conclusions."I am merely making an
observation about political deflection from the subject of the original article
regarding the comments being made."The only person deflecting,
would be you. You are trying to change the subject by attacking the (very
on-topic) comments of other posters.
Back in the 1980's I played a board game called "Lie Cheat and
Steal". It was a fun game to play, and I didn't quite get the satire.
It was a game about dirty politics, unfortunately it was a game predicting the
future.This needs a humorous turn. How about we go to political
jokes?Q: How do you know when a politician is lying.A:
When you see his lips moving.
VSTBountiful, UTThis is very interesting.The article is
all about some Pennsylvania Democrat politicians accepting bribes. However, all
but one of the posted comments is about John Swallow.This is called
deflection. If you don’t like the original story, then change the
subject.11:15 a.m. March 21, 2014======== Are you upset?Not a local story?What does that have to do here?Where are your outrage about the daily Steven Powell articles the DN
Integrity... and Politics... quite an ironic juxtaposition of terms.I'm left wondering... How much have we spent on the investigation (AFTER
he resigned). And how much more are we going to give the lawyers and their
investigators? And how much value is the investigation going to bring the
people of Utah?Can he resign again? Can we bankrupt him again? Or
is the prize more political?===I think Swallow got what
he deserved (humiliation and his career destroyed). But what more can be
gained? Take down MORE people possibly?If we didn't know
politicians took money from campaign contributors (even before this
investigation)... we need to wake up.
"... we should be proud of Utah’s House Republicans, who insisted on
investigating the John Swallow corruption story."Yes, good thing
they did not bury and ignore the allegations of wrong doing that were made while
he was campaigning for the AG's office - oh, wait, if they had investigated
then, Swallow might not have been elected at all!Only once Swallow
was under Federal Investigation did the House decide maybe they should pay
attention and see what was really going on. Of course, it also helps
if you look at the facts of the case in Philly - the informant had a $430,000
fraud case against him dropped by the previous AG (who was Republican) in
exchange for wearing a wire and offering bribes to certain elected officials
(who all happened to be Democrats). That sounds winnable - not. Why waste
taxpayer money pursuing it?
Liberal Larry is spot on! Welcome to the Utah "Good ole boy system".
In my opinion the reason the Leg. went after Swallow was to stop the inquiries
from going higher or deeper! Don't get me wrong, Swallow got what he
deserved. Me thinks it was "Throw Swallow under the bus to keep the heat
off us". There is more to the story!
Why is it when one party is caught doing something the retort is almost always,
"Well, your guy did it too!" ???We should all be
embarrassed, right and wrong are not relative. If it was wrong for a Democrat
to do, it is wrong for a Republican as well, and vice versa.
According to the New York Times article, the payday lenders where behind the
Swallow financial shenanigans.Maybe before the Utah legislators
injure their shoulders patting themselves on the back, they should consider
banning these predatory bottom feeders, like many other states have done!
Wait just a cott'in pick second...For months we were told it
was Utah House DEMOCRATS who were on a vindictive political WitchHunt to smear a
elected Republican's good name.NOW, After being caught as
red-handed....The Republicans are trying to take credit for cleaning
their own House.You can't have it both ways, and not be
called a Hypocrite.