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Published: Thursday, March 20 2014 11:45 a.m. MDT

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Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Amen!

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Sounds nice, but sustainability requires long-term thinking, and "Conservatives" consider it un-American.

So . . . the good ol' USA will probably keep floundering for years as more realistic and intelligent societies think and build for the long term.

Thinkin\' Man
Rexburg, ID

This is an incredibly naive, utopian view for someone to have in the 21st century!

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Somebody needs to sell this guy some stock in cold-fusion...

There is no never ending energy source that can replace the energy needs we have today. Even wind and solar can't do it.

That doesn't mean we don't keep researching the technology needed for a more sustainable future. It just means while we do the research... we don't cut off existing sources.

You would also need to totally re-factor our economy. The people of the whole world would have to accept a totally different standard of living than what we have today (adopt a more "sustainable" life-style). And that scaled down economy would not support as many people... so we would need to find a way to reduce population significantly as well.

jsf
Centerville, UT

With more physical work as less fossil fuels are used, everyone’s help would be welcomed. Or forced.
Government markets would emerge to facilitate the exchanges that reduce the work needed to meet basic needs which because of government corruption would not be available see Venzuela.
disillusionment with modern values. People would be drawn together in the close human relationships that are the main source of happiness. Government communes?
Those who contribute most to the community would be most honored, and loyalty, fairness and good-heartedness would once again be the virtues by which individuals and families are known. Elite class of citizens, Party benefits?
Unimaginable?

Not even unimaginable Can you say Pol Pot and the killing fields of Cambodia. Lenin’s central planning. Stalin’s forced relocation to the farms.
Go to Egypt, Tunisia, and Libya where government control and corruption has reduced the countries to poverty.
And lest you really forget, the industrial revolution is what allows your average life to extend past 40.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

GaryO,
What is this "more intelligent" society you speak of that uses more sustainable energy than America?

Is it Germany? No...
Oil 34.6%
Bituminous coal 11.1%
Lignite 11.4%
Natural gas 21.7%
Nuclear power 11.0%
Hydro- and wind power 1.5%

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Is it the UK? No...
Natural gas: 41%
Coal: 29%
Nuclear: 18%
Renewables: 9%

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Is it Africa? No...

Is it Asia? No...

Is it Canada? No...

Is it Mexico? No...

Is it Brazil or Venezuela? No...

Is it Russia? No...

Where IS this bastion of intelligence and sustainability you speak of?

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But you blame it all on Conservatives and American Republican's?

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

Excellent editorial. Sure, no one is serious about sustainability, but the time to prepare is not when it's too late. We've been feeding the growth beast for a century and a half, and it's finally starting to crumble under the weight of its own excesses. We can't fuel endless growth with a limited supply of carbon-based fuel. Sooner or later, if we don't prepare for the inevitable, we'll be up the proverbial creek with no paddle.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I think a sustainable "Evolution" would be better than a sustainability "Revolution".

We need to old technologies as we evolve to the newer ones. We need oil and petroleum products for the foreseeable future. So we should avoid that all-or-nothing revolutionary thinking. And think more about a peaceful and gradual evolution.

Just my opinion.

FT
salt lake city, UT

Societies,cultures and religons come and go. America,capatilism and Christanity will be no different. The author is right but wrong to believe human beings have the collective mind set to save their society.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Hi 2bits - Thanks for asking.

Plenty of countries are far ahead of the United States in implementing more sustainable energy sources.

China, although it is undoubtedly a top polluter, has already put up thousands of energy generating windmills, so many that they far outstrip the power grid. There's nowhere to store that energy or transmit it in some cases, because of the lack of infrastructure. But China is also quickly following up with a power grid right now, and it will soon be larger than the entire power grid of America.

Of course, any enterprise this huge cannot be done by private enterprise. It takes a massive investment on a national scale, and so it's being done by the Chinese Central government.

China also produces more solar panels than anywhere else in the world, also subsidized by the national government. Although China is installing a significant amount for domestic use, the vast majority of that solar technology is being exported to progressive nations . . . In other words, not many of those panels go to America.

Guess what? Unlike the Tea Party infested USA, other nations realize that the purpose of government is wisely GOVERN.

Darmando
Parker, CO

Abraham Lincoln:
"The legitimate object of government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do for themselves, government ought not to interfere."
(1854)
There is much we should be prepared to do for ourselves. However, the reasonableness and insight of Lincoln is lacking in many of today's Republicans and is contrary to many "Tea Party" or "free marketers" or whatever anti government crowds like to call themselves. Without an intelligent application of government planing and control beyond pure market forces or the anarchy of some, we are doomed to a very rough future.

$hort
Salt Lake City, UT

I suggest a gradual integration of sustainable practices into the daily activities of all humans. Reusing plastic bottles, shredding paper to make new paper, washing plastic bags and reusing them, turning off the tap when water isn't needed, showering instead of taking baths, using electricity sparingly, and unplugging appliances that aren't in use are all practices that require extremely minimal effort and almost all of us can do to reduce and reuse the products that are common in our lives. There are so many more practices that could be done, but I think that with this gradual change we will be more aware of our consumption and demands on the environment, and hopefully make a move to more and more sustainable practices like growing your own produce and composting waste. With this gradual approach I believe it will eventually be easier to mesh Warrens utopian lifestyle with the current common practices that are embraced by all. Production of goods will be done in a sustainable and environmentally sound manner, as well as economically profitable.

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