re: Esquire on Mar 20...It'd be ironic (& make me chuckle)
if Putin slapped the US down w/ his version of the Monroe doctrine.
@ patriot's hate is palpable, but I think if you get away from that toxic
attitude, you will find out that Obama might have the last laugh. The Russian
economy has taken a hit and will continue to do so. how much will depend
largely on Europe, whihc has closer ties. Agian, patriot, taking shots is one
thing. What are your ideas as to how the U.S. should respond? Like all on the
right, I see nothing but chest beating, hinting at war, but afraid to say so.
@one voteActually, the therm "exceptiionalism," as applied
to America means that America has not gone through the historical development of
other countries - a theory developed by Marxist believers that all countries
went through a evolution which included socialism. Since America had not gone
through that, it was deemed "exceptional." In current usage, it is a
description of the feeling of superiority over other countries - based upon a
belief that the U.S. does things better. Fox news did not invent it. You should stop listening to MSNBC for a better understanding of context.
re:Happy Valley HereticHA! No its just that this KGB thug Putin has
schooled your little Barack and has laughed him to world scorn. Barack is weaker
than Jimmy Carter and that takes some doing. No one respects Barack Obama - no
one at all on the world stage. His Syria fiasco with his red lines was a joke
and the world laughed then just like they are laughing now. Putin is a corrupt
thug but he does have a plan and he is executing it to perfection regardless of
what silly little diplomat ban Barack puts on. Today Putin matched Baracks
little ban by banning US officials from Russia. Take that Barack. It's like
a little kid with a cap gun trying to fight a guy with an M16 rifle. Barack
Obama is NOT a leader and is way over his head with anything that goes beyond
late night entertainment shows or maybe The View and Ellen on daytime TV. This
little man is not a serious presence in the White House and America is paying
dearly for it. Putin can grab as much new territory as he wants and what is the
US going to do??? What??
The concept of "exceptional-ism" is no different than the concept of
"nationalism" its been around and always has been in some form or
"Putin 1 Obama 0"yep... that is what this is all about.
Russia is just as obsessed with Obama as are some conservatives. This had
nothing to do with 500 years of history of that area, or the navel bases that
are there.The funny thing is 90 days ago, Putin had basically bought
all of the Ukraine for 15 billion... not he just has influence over Crimea. So
he lost control over 85% percent of the country.... but he is the winner
here.Okie dokie then. I am sure when the Ukraine is given expadited
membership into NATO, and the EU... he is going to fill like a huge winner
having a Nato nation on his doorstep.
The vague concept of "exceptionalism" is a Fox new anti-Obama spin
developed after the President refocused from the Iraq failure and ruined the
right wing myth that only the right can effectively address security.
Esquire has it right. Lijenquist lays out a litany of economic, political and
military woes. I agree with many (not the military ones) but do not believe
these problems played any role in Putin's decision to annex Crimea. We are
still the most powerful nation in the world economically and militarily. Are we
or should we be willing to go to war militarily or economically with Russia over
Crimea? No. Would we have been willing to 15-years ago? I doubt it. Assuming
our American Exceptionalism (whatever that means)was still intact would any
moral suasion based on such exceptionalism have deterred Putin? Unlikely.
Lijenquist among others is rising up in righteous indignation over Putin's
actions. What is lacking are any possible proposals that would cause the KGB
Colonel to reverse himself.
Russian patriot Putin 1 Obama 0. Get used to it...So how does
one keep score in this petty fox news game?Someone in the world does
something anything they get a point against Obama.Seems most of the
true patriots, true american conservatives think the world of Putin, he's
their new Reagan and why not their ability to remember the truth about him has
all but been forgotten or rewritten too.
Putin 1 Obama 0. Get used to it...
This column reads like an American counterpoint to Putin’s nationalistic
rant before the Russian Parliament. If Liljenquist has a prescription to offer,
I see no hint of what it might be. He seems to be shaken at the grim realization
that American exceptionalism may be a myth that clouded our judgment for far too
long. Did the end of the cold war actually lull us into a false confidence? It’s devastating to wake up to the realization that you’re
not superman and you never were.
Want to put pressure on Russia? Try being exceptional at everything. Say what
you mean and mean what you say. If Russia needs to sell its oil and natural gas
to be economically viable, let us turn on the spigot and produce more oil and
natural gas so as to drive down prices in the marketplace. Don't whisper
to Russian leaders that elections give the President more flexibility. Honor
your NATO commitments. Be friends to your friends and enemies to your enemies.
Don't confuse your enemies with your friends.I suppose that the
Crimeans have the right to be Russians if they want - call the moving vans and
make the move. Certainly, there must be some historical basis (and I am not
talking about what happened 100 to 400 years ago) for the boundaries of Ukraine
- colonization by outsiders taken into consideration. How come those who oppose
Israeli colonization are the same people who support Russian colonization within
I'm ashamed of our country. There are many things we could do if we wanted
to. If Europe and the United States worked together, they could bring great
economic pressure on Russia. I don't want war, I just want us to help our
fellow brethren if we can. Obama is terrible at dealing with foreign policy.
There are things we can do, but most Americans have no idea about the Ukraine
and Russia because they are too busy texting, playing electronic games, and
being on social networks to even bother about the world around them.
Sorry, Dan, but this is not about America. In fact, even suggesting that this is
about American exceptionalism is proof that American exceptionalism has been
blown way out of proportion. This is about Putin trying to maintain his sphere
of influence and perhaps reconstruct the Soviet Empire he continues to mourn.
KGB vs ACORN. mmmmm. Not a good match
What would an Exceptional American response be in this case? Are we to attempt
armed conflict with Russia in Crimea? Can we voice that option without taking
into account how stupid and costly and foolish it would be? I don't know
what the answer should be yet, but it's fairly easy to eliminate some
options right away.
So Russian exceptionalism runs smack into American exceptionalism. That's
the sort of thing that nearly got us all killed a generation ago. The answer
then as now is balance. What are you gonna do about Crimea? There's nothing
you can do. I've been there. The Crimeans are Russians. They've always
wanted to be Russians. If we even tried to "liberate" them, they'd
liberate themselves from our liberation. Where we can assert our influence to
counterbalance Russia, we should. But Crimea is not in our sphere of influence.
BTW, Dan, your vision of a rotten America is nothing compared to the
rot in Russia, which is just a big gas pump attached to a country where vodka is
the national obsession.
The way to make things worse is to continue to promote "American
Exceptionalism." What if the shoe was on the other foot and Putin was
promoting "Russian Expceptionalism.?" To go around the world touting
your exceptionalism is a clear path to poor foreign relations.
Well now we know what insanity looks like. Every President since
Kennedy given the chance to fight with Russia or find another way has chosen the
later, including George H Bush, Bill Clinton, George W Bush, and now Obama.Kennedy gave into Russia's demands, Bush, and Clinton specifically
wrote the 1994 agreement in such a way that it didn't include military
action and didn't have the weight of an international agreement. George
Bush was for once smart enough to know a fight worth fighting and one not worth
fighting. But, hey what did they know about American
exceptionalisim?I hate to break it to you Barker but America did not
invent democracy, America did not invent a Republican form of government,
America did not invent individual rights and freedoms, heck we didn't even
invent capitalism or banking.Everything you see as exceptional about
America was begged and borrowed from history. We can talk about how our
cobbling together of these principles has worked but don't get all puffy,
and teary eyed about origins, none of it was created here.
Sorry, but this piece is ridiculous. I urge its author to spend more time
learning some history and geo-politics rather than spouting right wing rhetoric.
Putin's actions have nothing to do with "American exceptionalism."
This is a self serving propaganda taliing point of the right wing.
SirI reject your assertion that the military is festering with
corruption and lack of discipline. A majority of those serving (both military
and civilian) are dedicated professionals who are committed to the defense of
our nation. Don't vilify all of of because of the actions of a few bad
Some folks really must think America is a fragile little child, anything that
happens in the world becomes a reflection on what the world thinks of her. This
is nonsense, arrogant narcissistic little men, who believe they are very very
important.We would be more exceptional if some weren't frothing
at the mouth to start another war, which doesn't really involve us.Treaties with Ukraine, file those with the Indian treaties.Lets get our house in order, and lead by example, not look for excuses to keep
fighting, financing fighting, supplying the world with tools to make fighting
When you put something exceptional in the charge of people who believe that it
is arrogant and misplaced to be exceptional - then that thing ceases to be
exceptional. It can be easily argued that the United States should not be the
military police of the world - however, why can't the United States be
exceptional in the defense of the smaller and lesser developed kids on the
block? The intellectual "children" who are making U.S. policy at this
time are dedicated to redefining the United States as a weaker and more
compassionate player in the world theatre - so as to avoid the appearance of
being "exceptional." So, who is left to inspire and protect?
Apparently it is Russia and Putin. IF the strength of the American Spirit is
not encourage by our leaders, and manifest through our physical strength, how
can we expect that Spirit to grow - let alone flourish. Russian respect only
physical strength, much like the bullies of your youth.
So Dan Liljenquist, can you offer any suggestions, or do you just like to
complain?Deseret News seems to have an exhaustible supply of
complaints, but it's pretty light on solutions . . . kind of like the
In the history of this planet, the vast majority of humans have lived and died
under the rule of dictators, despot Kings and tyrants. Our founding fathers
established this nation as perhaps the only exception to that in the history of
the world where the people told the government what it could and could not do
and wrote an inspired constitution that placed limits on the power of the
government rather than the government telling its subjects what they could and
could not do. That is the exception in all the world,a government of the people,
by the people and for the people, truly an exception in all of history. Of
course Putin does not understand that because he is just another dictator. Once
our own President was asked about American exceptionalism and he said he thinks
people in other counties think they are exceptional too. Clearly Mr. Obama does
not understand the meaning of American exceptionalism either.
"Words and sanctions will not be enough to balance these old yet new
geopolitical equations. "So, Mr Liljenquist, what options does
that leave?I love how people beat around the bush. At least have
the backbone to put it in words.What can you possibly be suggesting,
if not military action?