RedWings - I am with you. I admit that I have a hard time empathizing with women
that feel that they are left behind in the church and that the church disregards
women. From my experience in church leadership this is completely untrue. I wish
that everyone - men included - could participate in ward councils and leadership
to see the work that is done for the benefit of men and women alike. I
don't want the priesthood and honestly don't understand the women that
do. I feel like my plate is full enough on its own with my present
I serve in a calling that places me in our Ward Council meeting every two weeks.
This is a meeting where the Ward leaders (men and women) meet and discuss the
needs of the Ward. There are three women in the Council - Relief Society
President, Youn Womens' President, and Primary President. I
can tell you that our Bishop spends more than half of every meeting discussing
the needs of these three organizations. Also, he listens to and highly values
the opinions and councel of these sisters. Anyone who says that women are not
leading the LDS Church or that they do not have an equal place is a fool. Funny how demands for "equality" and women's rights in the
Church come from those outside of the Church (usually disgruntled former members
who have nothing better to do than attack their former church...)
The content of the comments posted here is really a reflection of the person
making the comment. To you apparently disgruntled members of the church with a
chip on your shoulder: the church leadership is not on trial here in this
life--we are the ones on trial.
Delighted to see this, sad that it's newsworthy. When we go
sightseeing to church sites in SLC, where do we visit? Conference Center, Temple
Square Visitor Centers, Church History Museum, Family History Center, The Mall,
(you have to eat!); rooftop of the Church Office Building...etc. etc. But
who's toured the Relief Society Building? It's right there, just not
on the tourist's Short List.WHY?
This won’t do much if anything to appease the “Ordain Women”
movement, but it does go a long way towards showing that the Church is not in
any way, shape, or form misogynistic, as it is frequently portrayed in the
A related issue, if I may: in my mind, there are those in--and out--of the LDS
Church that place the 14th Amendment and its "equality under the law"
clause on an equal (no pun intended) footing with scripture and prophetic
utterance. The 14th Amendment was written and ratified to correct a specific
issue arising out of the Civil War and the resolution of the slave question. It
has been legally extrapolated since that time to cover a number of other issues
of equality--some to our society's benefit, others not.Anyone who
knows the least little bit about law knows the statement "There is no right,
there is no wrong, there is only the law." That phrase governs a number of
our recent judicial decisions. If we pursue the course of trying to change the
heavenly designed role of women for the misguided purpose of making them
"equal"--including the pressure to give them the LDS Priesthood, it will
be to our detriment. Pres. Hinckley was right: we marvel at what they are able
to accomplish without it.
Why does a beautiful addition to what is already in concert with devoted service
and history of our church receive such unwarranted sarcasm and criticism? Enjoy
the beauty and purpose knowing every addition to our museums is thoughtfully
authorized and inspired. Move on and do something good in the world.
Biggest non-story of the decade.
concretebo,Tell that to the men who want other men instead of
women.We're the ones trying to cherish women and children, we
simply believe there is a right and wrong way to do it. The rest the world is
tearing down what's true and holding up practices that cause women &
children pain.Not a single sole has complained about men not having
a place in relief society. So do your beliefs in equality and prejudice only
swing one way?No one has ever been or ever will be justified in
accusing the LDS church of mistreating women. Those that do either don't
know their history or don't want to know it.
Dode: Loved your comments about hair. I wonder if someday people will say,
"Why did we think it was stylish to have looong, severely, straight hair no
matter what the face shape?" I for one like the puffy look and not a
"one hairstyle fits all!" I think the portraits are a beautiful addition
to those walls.
LovelyDeseret,5 years of service doesn't qualify for a
portrait? Well, you inadvertently inspire an interesting idea. What if
Apostle's and Prophets had term limits. Emeritus Apostle has a nice ring
to it. Who said that these have to be lifetime callings anyway? Some would say
the Lord, but do we really know if that is more tradition than revelation? I
for one very much like the idea.
It seems rather silly that we are more interested in the appearance than the
substance. The role of the General RS, YW, and Primary presidencies have not
changed. Whoever has been in the positions for many years have worked hard on
issues that affect women, children, and families all over the globe. Since they
are all over 25, I doubt they were the ones that wanted to have portraits hung
up on the walls to "prove" that they are really female leaders in our
church. The detractors appear not to have a strong sense of who they are in
God's plan or why 90% of the women in the Church have no desire to have the
Priesthood. The doctrine doesn't change. Read the previous prophets
teachings on the role of women. Mostly what has changed is how we appear to the
world. Women have always been valued in the true gospel. Detractors-if you
don't know that for yourself, maybe you should do a little more study.
Start with Brigham Young's teachings.
Concretebo-According to Mormon doctrine men need women - and women need
men. We are equally yoked and thankfully not required to do the exact same
things. Men are great because men ARE great, not because they have a woman in
their lives. It does not build up women to diminish men. That attitude is
inherently unequal. Chilanga- right on!
Our female leaders are simply AWESOME!I remember one Relief Society
President who spoke in General Conference about 3-4 years ago about being a
mother. Typical, straight-forward, common sense stuff....trying to remember
what her counsel was specifically (?)....try to be home as much as you can for
your children (seems she even mentioned that sometimes circumstances don't
allow for that), love your children, hold them accountable, teach them to pray,
share with them your love for the Savior.Pretty sure it was Sister
Julie Beck.By the uproar her talk caused you would have thought she
was telling women to offer child sacrifices.The portraits are well
deserved. Just as a matter of observation the sisters in the church and in the
world as a whole are far, far more faithful and Christ-like than the men.Good job, sisters!
@ 1aggie - SALT LAKE CITY, UT - "Too little, too late!"Antagonists.....ya just can't please 'em!
The last thing these leaders want is to have their portraits in public places.
These women and men are not glory and attention-seekers. They are humble
servants of their fellow human beings seeking no rewards except the knowledge
that they are following the second great commandment given by The Savior
Himself; "love thy neighbor as thyself".
After "years of conversation", the female leadership of the Church gets
portraits hung in the Conference Center. Kind of like a pat on the head,
I think the portraits look very nice. Isn't that all that needs to be
Warren Binnes said, "Leaders do the right things and have the burden of
creation, managers do things right and have the burden of maintenance".
Sounds about right to me, especially for the for women in my life and in the
@concretebo - The Lord takes offense when we as men and women propose to tell
him to change His will. Women receive the priesthood when they marry a worthy
male who has received those gifts. He presides over the home, but not alone. She
is as equal as he, and is no less important or needed. Even without a male
priesthood holder in the home, members and nonmembers alike have access to
priesthood blessings anytime, anywhere; usually just a phone call away.
The nice thing about the leaders in our church is that they don't have a
worldly view of power or authority. They don't want their photos put up,
and they're somewhat embarrassed by it. The reason, I'm
told, why we put up photos of our leaders in the Ensign, Church News, and on
walls like this, is so that members will know who they are and will not be
fooled by someone claiming to speak for the church. Its telling that
a number of the "its about time" comments here at the D-News reflect a
worldly view of power and authority. I'm fairly certain that the ones
portrayed in these photos have a more eternal view of power and authority which
flows from a desire to serve others and help them gain access to the atonement
I laughed when Firefly123 talked about the "puffy hair and ice-cream or
jewel-colored solid jackets look like the "acceptable" LDS female leader
uniform. It's true. :-) But -- look at any women in business leadership
and it is the same -- except more black, navy blue, or dark colored suits. Good
point though. The puffy hair is probably because they are ladies over 40-45 and
grew up in a different era. Can't see them with straight hair parted in
the middle or hair pulled back into a ponytail for some reason! I think the
ladies look beautiful!
To those who criticize this latest act of respect for our LDS women leaders, I
am starting to see that the church is "darned if they do, and darned if they
don't" with you guys. If the church changes nothing, you criticize. If
they do make changes, you criticize. You undermine your own credibility and
power to encourage change, when all you do is criticize the attempts at change
that ARE being made. Please, just go away already.
Bravo. Our Relief Society sisters provide incalculable benefits, service and
worth to the gospel going forward.
Sorry, but this really looks like pandering. You should have always had them up,
and making a big deal out of it now, in 2014, just makes us all feel really
second class. We realize we are, but this doesn't help-it just makes it
more obvious. The puffy hair and ice-cream or jewel-colored solid jackets look
like the "acceptable" LDS female leader uniform. Sigh. Thanks for
trying, though. I don't need to be ordained, but I'd like to feel free
to be myself...
@Lovely DeseretI didn't see anywhere in the article that mentioned
there were portraits hanging of any of the former leaders. The portraits
mentioned are of only the current leaders in the RS, YW, and Primary
organizations. I would have to assume that when those presidencies are
replaced, the portraits will be also.
This is wonderful -- and about time. Now if we can include our women leaders in
top-level meetings about missionaries, welfare, church building design (like not
putting the women's bathrooms next to the Bishop's office and
men's bathrooms next to the nursery, and help on kitchen set-ups, etc.
etc.) -- practical things that should just be done normally. In some ways, it
really is hard to understand why these things have taken so long!
English is not my native tongue, but if I wanted to say that these women lead
women I would simply say women's leaders; women leaders probably tells most
of English speakers that their gender is opposite to that of male leaders -
just as female leaders does. Minor point, I should say - with all due respect to
rhp from Arlington, Virginia. Cf. Women Leaders in Business, Women Political
Leaders, Women Inventors, Women Literary Figures, Women Authors etc. Perhaps in
Virginia - as opposed to the rest of the world - only Female Leaders carries the
Until you LDS Men let woman in the priesthood , it is discrimination .You
know this as does everyone else. Equality is coming do not fear it ,
embrace it. Woman are what make us men Great .
Dr. G., the colors may be wonderful, but they only apply to the dresses. For
when the cultural and ethnic diversity?
1aggie,The Lord never does anything too late. He does it when
it's right, when it's needed.If anyone's late or
missing the mark, it's us. If miracles stop in the world, it is because of
unbelief. We learn in the scriptures that God is an unchanging God. A father may
give different instructions at different times, because his children are
learning and growing. But the Father's purpose and love for his children
haven't changed.Putting up a portrait doesn't reflect a
change in God, but in those who would doubt the church if the church
doesn't respond to criticism.
When you are a Woman of God, a Daughter of God, you know your place and are not
moved by contention or dissatisfaction of God's plan. You know He leads
with love for all and His plan is just.
Wow. The third floor gets some serious color upgrades. All those dark suits were
not nearly as charming as these colorful photos. Women always add color to life.
The headline includes the phrases 'women leaders' and 'first
time' here in 2014. It takes some chutzpa to run this story. Kudos.
They should be there, they have as great an influence on Church members as the
First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve, and they have a marvelous legacy.
Too little, too late!
I can see hanging the portraits of the current leaders but the former women
leaders only served for 5 years. You really should have a lifetime calling to
get a portrait permanently affixed.
rph, let's keep this simple without agitation regarding pronoun references
and vocabulary incidentals. This display is a beautiful tribute to our church
leaders and a wonderful addition for everyone to see.
A beautiful addition!