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Police investigating 11 incidents on or near campus in 2 months

Published: Wednesday, March 19 2014 2:40 p.m. MDT

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Cedar Hills, UT

Get your daughter a can of Bear Pepper Spray for her to carry in her purse. You can get them at Sportsman Wearhouse. One shot in the eyes and mouth should do the trick. When he is rolling on the ground screaming then call 911 or at least scream for help.

Bountiful, UT

Is this worth going to jail or prison over and being marked for life, making it difficult to get a decent job? It is possible to date and get married. Much safer and just rewarding, (probably more so).

I know it. I Live it. I Love it.
Provo, UT

Dear Mr. Groper,

If you read this... now's your chance. Either turn yourself in, or stop and get help. Talk to a bishop, something. But stop now and get help. Because if you don't...

1) You WILL hurt someone else who does NOT deserve or want it
2) You WILL get caught, humiliated, embarrassed, imprisoned, etc.

You can't help yourself. You need help. Ask for it. If you don't, someone else gets hurt and you'll sign your own fate. If you're really smart, you'll turn yourself into the authorities also. For your sake, it would be better to. But if you don't, the hammer will fall and hard.

Your choice pal. Respect women, respect the law, respect God. Otherwise, you will absolutely fail.

Iron Rod
Salt Lake City, UT

Personal Opinion it is an unfortunate result of pornography.

And yes Utah is number one in accessing on line pornography in the nation.


truth in all its forms
henderson, NV

hide your kids, hide your wife because he is gropping everyone around here! we gonna find you, we gonna find you! so run and tell that home boy, home boy!

Back Talk
Federal Way, WA

In Utah, are you ( the grabber) afraid of finding some girl who is "packing" and shoots you in the butt as you try to run off?

I see this ending badly for you. You better still to porn. It is safer.

Nowhere, 00

Iron Rod

This is an old argument. Utah also leads the nation in having the least access to print versions of pornography and the least strip clubs per capita. Coincidence then that we lead in online porn subscriptions per capita?

Logan, UT

Just another reason to NOT go to BYU.

Far East USA, SC

"some girl who is "packing" and shoots you in the butt as you try to run off?"

So... You actually think that one is justified in shooting someone who is running away who groped you?

I know it. I Live it. I Love it.
Provo, UT

Back Talk,

Well, I agree with you...mostly. I don't think she'll aim low. If she has a gun to defend herself with, she'll probably stop him permanently. I'll add that as reason #3 why he should just stop now.

Iron Rod,

Satan fights hardest here... because he has to here. Anyone trying to recover from an addiction will tell you, the moment they start to work to change, the temptations become harder. Satan hates anything good and there are a lot of good people in Utah. Struggling with porn does not a bad person make. The best people suffer the strongest challenges. Utah was never #1 in magazine subscriptions before the internet existed. The internet came, parents weren't prepared for it (understandably) and children of God's true church were hit hard. To me, there is really nothing shocking or interesting about it. I actually think it's a bit cruel that it has to be pointed out all the time. I'm not saying you are, just the existence of the study. The study has helped no one, at all. It's only fed criticism. What a pointless effort.

Charlotte, NC

Iron Rod,

I seriously doubt that Utah leads the nation in the consumption of porn. Remember, that there are a lot of other outlets for porn other than online. Just because Utah is strong in demand for ONLINE porn doesn't mean it leads in porn. With other access for porn very limited, such as print and strip clubs (as has already been pointed out), those looking for porn would have little choice but to access it online. With other avenues in short supply, this is what we would expect.

Saint George, UT

Maybe the powers that be need to rethink the University's rules when it comes to allowing students the right to self defense. Carrying a firearm or other defensive weapon, which is legal (with a UT CFP) at all state run schools and universities in Utah, is denied the students at BYU and makes these young women targets. These students are responsible adults and should not be denied their basic right to self defense.

St Louis, MO

" . . it is an unfortunate result of pornography . . "

"Satan fights hardest here . . the best people suffer the strongest challenges . . "

Oh, the assumptions we make and the logical leaps we attempt to fit a story neatly in to our preferred narrative. Guessing that this guy is a porn addict serves no point whatsoever. Even if you turn out to be correct, that wouldn't mean that porn caused his criminal behavior. If such an addiction exists, it may be just another symptom. Millions of people view porn daily but manage to avoid assaulting actual humans.

As for the second quote, just stop it already. I'm a native Utahn, BYU grad, and active LDS, and cringe at this kind of self-serving nonsense. These sentiments don't help anyone. All they do is promulgate the prissy, holier-than-thou image I would think we would want to avoid.

As for the story, I always thought Groper was an amusing, fun-loving sort of guy. He's that blue guy from Sesame Street, right?

Springville, UT

No guns on campus. Are you nuts?

Far East USA, SC


What a great post. Thank you.

As you know as one who has lived in Utah, the opinion expressed is not uncommon. And it does the state, and the LDS religion a disservice.

Although, I think you probably meant "illogical leaps"

Regardless, You summed it up perfectly.

San Jose, CA

When I worked out of the KBYU news room in 1993 and covered the crime beat on Campus. Remember Cody Judy at the Marriott Center. I was on the Classical 89 that night at 10 pm and blew off my classes the next day to report the longest story for the TV news the next night. That year 17 ex posers we reported on Campus for the year. Later after BYU graduation and 2 Police Academies UT and CA. Salt Lake PD told me I was too clean to be a cop because, I said I had never drank beer. He didn't believe me and asked me 5 times. I told him I gave the same answer on the Polygraph. He told me a goodie RM like me wouldn't last 2 weeks on the streets of Salt Lake. 6 months later every thing over again this next background Detective wrote me up so dirty he even used my wife's words against me. Don't even get me started on CA they don't even in force the law here. Have been pulled over on my motorcycle and threaten 72 hr phyc evaluation because a good father doesn't give their kids rides.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

"Satan fights hardest here... because he has to here. Anyone trying to recover from an addiction will tell you, the moment they start to work to change, the temptations become harder. Satan hates anything good and there are a lot of good people in Utah."

There are actually physiological responses in the body that explain why overcoming addiction is so difficult. None of them have anything to do with Satan.

Salt Lake City, UT

Seriously, dude.

I can't wait for the first pepper spray, or groin kick that puts you down on the ground long enough for police to come.

Is it worth 3 years in prison and a lifelong felony conviction for a this?

Get some professional help...reach out...ask for help.

DEW Cougars
Sandy, UT

That person going to get caught pretty soon. Lets hope so.

Harrison Bergeron
Holladay , UT

Someone needs to teach this guy some manners.

"An armed society is a polite society."
(Robert A. Heinlein in Beyond This Horizon)

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