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Published: Wednesday, March 19 2014 12:26 p.m. MDT

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slcdenizen
t-ville, UT

@ 2 bits

Wrong on both fronts. He used the term "foe" and referred to it in the context of America's world position, not Europe's.

The reason our economy is stagnant isn't because businesses don't trust the president. That claim does not even deserve a response. The economy functions fluidly with your spending increasing my income and vice versa. There is unused capital and high unemployment, with the resulting loss of transactions. It's very simple and doesn't require voodoo explanations that are coming from your side of the aisle.

Perhaps if our discussions were more rigorous and false assumptions more easily dispelled, our political atmosphere would be less toxic. American conservatism was once a viable and coherent political philosophy but has since devolved into conspiracy-mongering and hate-filled diatribes toward the unpure. It's a shame our news outlets have become an echo chamber for it.

Noodlekaboodle
Poplar Grove, UT

@Tyler D
In 1994 the US signed the Budapest Memorandum, a treaty where Ukraine(and Kazakhstan and Belarus) agreed to give up nuclear weapons that were left over from the USSR days. So we(and to be fair also Russia) agree to protect Ukraine's sovereignty.

Ken
Sandy, UT

LDS Liberal,

I too am a veteran

I too would throw myself on a grenade for a noble cause

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I'm LDS also

I've noticed you post almost word for word the same thing as some other poster who goes by Open Minded Mormon. You also employ a similar formatting, a very unusual formatting, as does he/she.

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Probably just coincidence though
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Isn't it interesting that these liberals want to tell us it doesn't matter that Mitt was right on and Obama as usual didn't have a clue when he was talking about Russia during the presidential race. Yes, it does matter that Obama once again has shown he doesn't know what he's talking about. And yes, we'll continue to remind people when Mitt was right about something.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Mitt was right about ...

Russia
China
Iran
The economy
Obamacare
Tax reform

Yes Mitt was right about all of this but who listened to what Mitt was saying?? Maybe 20% of America. The other 80% were more caught up in the cool cat president who appears on Leno and Letterman and gives free stuff out to everyone. I'll tell you another thing Mitt was right about...the 47% comment he made about people who see themselves as victims and are owed a living by the government. The dummbed down America of today is only a faded shadow of what it was even 30 years ago. The real question is how much longer can that "dummbed down America" continue to exist living off of other peoples money and pretending the world is a safe place???

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@2 bits – “Now they are sandwiched between Russian Crimea and Russia itself.”

Looking at a map of the area I’m not seeing what you apparently are. They are bordered by a number of countries to the west and have a number of ports in non-Crimean Ukraine (e.g. Odessa). Even Kiev has river access to the Black Sea.

What am I missing here?

But assuming you’re right on all accounts, what do you suggest we do? The Europeans don’t seem interested in doing anything substantial, although I like what they’re doing in the area of international transparency laws (i.e., a public registry for multi-national corporations) in an effort to stamp out corruption, money laundering, etc… which given the current state of the Russian economy may do far more to isolate (and change) their regime than any military pin prick will do.

And Putin talks big but as Sochi made abundantly clear, Russia is still little more than a third world county with a gas pump and a bomb. If they go too far, a full European isolation would ruin their economy.

Noodlekaboodle
Poplar Grove, UT

@Patriot
Was Mitt right about Obamacare when he implemented it in Massachusetts? Or when he changed his mind, and said it was terrible, even though it's a very popular program(that he created) in Massachusetts.

DEW Cougars
Sandy, UT

Why does it matter if he was right? He's not the president. I would have love Mitt to be President RIGHT NOW!

Back Talk
Federal Way, WA

to do anything other than treat Russia as our most "Geopolitical foe" and never trusting them as we did during the official cold war is a mistake. Lesson Learned. Now go forward and try and stop the Russian attempt to recover their lost empire whereever possible.

Russia never helped our position with other countrys anyway.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Can anybody give an Obama quote that shows he was "Wrong about Russia?"

No?

I didn't think so.

Objectified
Tooele, UT

@ Schnee:

In the grand scheme of things, the differences between Obama and Romney would've been substantial and very noticeable in their results. To think otherwise is naive. Their ideologies are mostly like night and day. Romney is a get-it-done sort of person. Obama... well, not so much. He's more of a smooth talker and vacationer.

@ Mike in Sandy:

Unless you were being sarcastic, that's a great example of exactly what a low-information voter is.

@ two-bits:

Yes, he was right. And yes, it most certainly does matters. It matters a lot in that we can use this as an opportunity to learn from our mistakes for the next election.

@ slcdenizen:

You bias is unbelievable. To the point that all credibility becomes lost.

@ Craig Clark:

Russia has been and continues to be our foe. They were with North Korea, Syria, Iran and now regarding Ukraine.

@ OtisBDriftwood:

If it doesn't matter, then why take the time to both read and comment on the article? It obviously matters to both you and lots of other people posting.

@ LDS Liberal:

Yes, it does depend on how one looks at it. In your case, not correctly.

Objectified
Tooele, UT

@ LDS Liberal:

Your obsession with liberal ideology apparently makes it difficult to recognize noble causes. It doesn't matter if one is willing to sacrifice for a noble cause if it can't be recognized.

You obviously never spent much time learning about Romney, which makes it extremely ironic you would even try to say what he would or wouldn't do in any given situation. In truth, you really have no idea whatsoever what Mitt Romney would currently be doing as president.

That fact you think Romney "trampled the Constitution" shows how very little you actually know of the man.
In actuality, he's one of the few high level politicians who would've sacrificed his personal political career to save it.
To the contrary, the current administration seems willing to sacrifice the Constitution in order to save it's political agenda.

@ GaryO:

Since you bring up "filling the air with useless blather", your personal example is one of the best I've seen. A lot written, but almost none correctly stated.

Russia continues opposing the USA at every turn... with Syria, Iran, Ukraine... all AFTER 9/11.

Romney is actually moderate, less boisterous, much more correct than most politicians.

Objectified
Tooele, UT

@ Noodlekaboodle:

Spend some time learning before posting. Romneycare was/is not Obamacare.

Romney didn't make unfulfilled lies about his program. Obama did and does.
Romney's program had the layout kinks fixed before being released. Obamacare is still a work in progress 6 months later.
Romney's program was created as a local state-sized program, and therefore workable. ObamaCare is trying to socialistically swallow the country and is economically imploding as a result.

Romney never once said his program was "terrible". If so, when? I'd like some proof you're not still making things up to defend your personal ideology.

@ GaryO:

Though some undoubtedly exist, it's difficult to immediately find Obama's wrong quotes toward Russia because he's so passive regarding them. He often refuses to take a stand.

Russia (Putin) has him intimidated and most countries of the world are now recognizing it. Putin made him look weak in Syria after his red-line statement and then later in dealing with Iran in not receiving anything in return from one-sided negotiations. Iran is still laughing about that as they proceed unabated with their nuclear program.

And so it continues...

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Precisely what would Mitt have done if he was president?
I'll answer it for you: Not. One. Thing.

Unreconstructed Reb
Chantilly, VA

No, a single event does not prove Romney was right. Not even a sequence of events from Georgia to Syria to Crimea make him right. China remains the preeminent rival of the US, and it's not even close.

What's happening now is a failure of 20 years of foreign policy. Instead of engaging Russia as a partner, we have fed its deep paranoia that we're all out to get it.

We indulged the mess that was Yeltsin while insisting on economic reforms that resulted in shockwaves that sent millions of Russians into nostalgia for the good old Soviet days.

We ignored the resentment we created in Russians who perceived us as arrogant victors eager to take advantage of them.

We viewed the dilapidated Russian military with glee instead of working for mutual security cooperation.

We ostracized it when integrating the rest of the Soviet Bloc into the EU and NATO.

We naively ignored Russia's kleptocracy with misplaced optimism in the inevitable triumph of democracy.

We failed to see the rise of Putin, a man we didn't understand whose objectives were never aligned with ours.

We've missed our window of opportunity to make good with Russia.

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

@Irony Guy:
"And what, pray tell, would Mitt have done differently? Would he, ahem, nuke 'em?"

For one thing, Mitt would not have canceled the US missile defense complex plans for Poland.

@slcdenizen:
"To declare Russia as a foe rather than an inconvenient but necessary ally was the wrong thing to do."

Russia has never been an ally, inconvenient or otherwise. They have always been a 'geopolitical' foe back to the cold war, WWII, and beyond. China is not a foe. In fact, China is a US creditor. Japan is not a foe. The US liberated Japan. Australia is not a foe. Nor is Europe or Antarctica. Thus, if the US has a geopolitical foe it has to be Russia. Mitt was correct.

@Tyler D:
"Can anyone explain why we should care if Crimea secedes from the Ukraine.."

Because of what's next. The Ukraine, then Estonia, Latvia. Then Poland. As for Ukraine, the Ruskies have already seized their military port.

@OtisBDriftwood:
"Just another useless article from the DN that won't let go of the fact that Romney lost."

You mean like the Democrats who endlessly blame all bad things happening on Dubya?

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

There is a huge difference in what a candidate can say, and what the standing leader of a nation can say. To pretend that Romney was right is like saying 4 out of 5 dentist prefer "what ever it was". Prefer what to what is the question.

We did the whole calling "the axis of evil" thing, and it achieved us nothing. Iran amd North Korea continued on with their nuclear programs, and Chavez called Bush names back in the UN. It achieved nothing. Bush was trying for a "tear down these walls" moment that didn't work. Romney was trying to channel Romney in his calling out of Russia. He also said London wasn't prepared for the Olympics... He said a lot of stuff... that as president of the United States, he would not have been able to say.

I do not believe for one instant that this administration took Russia as a "friend". That is nonsense. At the same time, I am not sure we have executed very well yet on Ukraine...but time will tell.

SCfan
clearfield, UT

So many of you are so defensive about Obama. Just keep on attacking Mitt. But the truth is, and America is now finding it out, Obama was, is, and always will be unqualified to lead anything. He is the biggest Presidential mistake in American history and as time goes by, that truth is becoming more and more apparant to everyone. Face it, he's a failure as a leader. He should never have left the classroom. Obama is the Peter Principle times 10.
And a very good reason why affirmative action is a bad thing.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

SCfan,

"....Obama was, is, and always will be unqualified to lead anything...."
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The American electorate had a good four years to size up Obama and then chose to give his a second term. Romney made his case that he had something better to offer but failed to persuade enough voters to buy it. Romney is a smart and capable man who should have known better than to traffic in half truths when he had his shot.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@Noodlekaboodle – “In 1994 the US signed the Budapest Memorandum…”

I stand corrected… thank you.

Still not sure what our options are since one of the treaty signatories is refusing to uphold their end of the deal. We’ve spent a lot of lives & treasure being the world’s police force and not always to good results.

But I am all for making the moral argument that countries should uphold treaties and should pay a penalty when they do not.

@wrz – “Because of what's next. The Ukraine, then Estonia, Latvia. Then Poland.”

I assume you don’t mean this in the context of the Domino Theory given that communism is no longer an issue. But even as a slippery slope argument this is dubious.

Are you suggesting we start a full scale war because of what they MIGHT do?

samhill
Salt Lake City, UT

"Was Mitt Romney right about Russia?"
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