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Published: Tuesday, March 18 2014 8:07 p.m. MDT

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Elcapitan
Ivins, UT

Get over it guys, the modern state park people are not like sixty years ago. Then he would have thanked you and given you some counsel. We visited there often with our kids. I was glad to have been around Southern Utah breaking Jeep trails in the good old days prior to these Modern Times.I live close to a state park which is now over controlled and signed. What a mess they have made of it.

regis
Salt Lake City, UT

Everyone agrees these guys did a really stupid thing. And it's understandable that a lot of people are angry about a unique natural formation being defaced. But it's not quite on the level of blowing up Rainbow Bridge or stopping Old Faithful from erupting.

They've suffered public humiliation, and everyone has learned a good lesson. So let them pay their fines, perform their public service, and get on with their lives.

Wonder
Provo, UT

Elcapitan, you may long for the good old days when boys were boys and could knock over hoodoos whenever the urge struck them, but I am glad they are now being preserved for everyone to see. It's a selfish person who only thinks of the fun they are having and doesn't realize that others may want to see these amazing formations.

Jumpyman
Salt Lake City, UT

Ellcapitan,

It's good to know about your good old "breaking jeep trails". As one who has seen the erosion caused by those good old days, I can't say that I am proud of your accomplishments. It is because of your jeep trails that we are now not allowed to access our own taxpayer-funded public lands. Thank you for your great work.

DEW Cougars
Sandy, UT

The question here. Those two now know their mistake but will other ever know what event happened? There will be more others doing some stupid things. How will they know better?

Flashback
Kearns, UT

What I'm laughing about is that Emory County is going to assess a dollar value to that hoo doo that was knocked off. My guess that unless you knew which hoo doo they knocked over, you'd never be able to find it in the park. Not sure that there is any monitary value to said hoo doo. Just slap the two dudes with a $10,000.00 fine each and use the money to improve the state park.

SG in SLC
Salt Lake City, UT

I think that the judicial outcome in this case is generally pretty appropriate. I would like to have seen court-ordered community service included (something in the range of 600-800 hours each; preferably with a requirement that the community service be conservation-related), but I agree that incarceration wasn't warranted for these first-time offenders who were primarily guilty of criminal stupidity.

On the other hand, I don't think the BSA should be lenient on them. People who are not committed to adhering to the scouting program's conservation principles have no business being scout leaders, and the negative publicity surrounding their actions has done serious harm to the BSA. A 5-10 year ban on involvement in scouting would probably be appropriate, in my opinion, and a lifetime ban wouldn't be totally out of the question.

Strider303
Salt Lake City, UT

I don't agree with the plea in abeyance in this case, I think it should be on their records. I sure hope BSA doesn't let them near a scout troop, ever.

This should have been a wake-up call to LDS Church leaders to require BSA Basic Training for all scout leaders, including bishopric to be sure everyone is on the same page.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

" . . . good men who made a mistake?" Of course they are. They couldn't possibly be bad men who do something good once in a while.

After all, they were Boy Scout Leaders, and the Boy Scouts are a Conservative organization.

These fearless leaders were just acting out their Conservative ethic . . . as far as the land goes, use it, abuse it, misuse it, exploit it, strip it, mutilate it, and lay it to waste . . . as long as it's for a good Conservative cause, it's all right.

Obviously Conservationism and Conservatism are two very different things.

Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

They did themselves in by celebrating the hoodoo falling. I'm glad this is finally ending.

no fit in SG
St.George, Utah

Oh, yes, I know those guys.
They are the ones who went to the National Park and destroyed the hoo doo years ago.
Yea, I remember that well!

hapticz
Passaic, NJ

send these infamous few out to do some true life saving task. repair some stairs, decks, uneven sidewalks, or install hand rails in elderly homes for say, 1000 poor or truly needy families. they can rebuild their life. perhaps they could dig a well (by hand) that supplies water power to a wheel, that generates carbon free energy, stored by some means, thence used to reposition that silly rock, for all the future to enjoy. (at least until mother nature give it a push on her own).

i once knew a few a 'ski bums' that worked near Aspen Colorado, they spent their idle snowless summer days hiking the mountains seeking 'ready rollers' to tumble off the sides of really steep treacherous mountainsides.

andyjaggy
American Fork, UT

I didn't think they should go to jail, but I am very disappointed they aren't being asked to do a couple hundred hours of trail maintenance in our state parks.

Hopefully they at least have a life time ban from scouts. I was lucky to have great scout leaders who taught and demonstrated respect and love for nature, clearly the bar has been lowered these days.

InspectorC
Wasatch Front, UT

The rock these guys shifted wasn't even actually a "hoodoo".

The definition of a hoodoo is: A pillar of rock, usually of fantastic shape....
OR: A strangely shaped column of rock.

This case involved just a SINGLE boulder, sitting on a precarious ridge of dirt directly over a hiking trail. It was NOT a "hoodoo" by any stretch of the imagination or definition!

I'd bet good money that MANY of us would at least consider doing the same thing these twerps did, in the name of public safety. They just shouldn't have "celebrated" what they did, like a group of grade-school boys... or posted video of it on YT! 8)

I'm glad these guys weren't penalized any more severely than they were. They've been through enough already.

PhoenixAZ
phoenix, AZ

Nice. Slap on the wrist.

Backtothebasics
Salt Lake City, UT

@inspectorc,
C'mon give me a break....really??? MANY of us would consider doing what these guys did???? Not anyone I know. Unless you're of the same "mind" as these two (question what was in their mind). It was a dumb, thoughtless choice that they acted on, and now they are paying the consequences. IMO, they got off easy. And what makes you the authority on what a hoodoo is? Sounds like maybe you were there???

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@inspector

Sorry but I am with Backtothebasics, there is no excuse for this type of childish behavior.

Rational
Salt Lake City, UT

These guys have not learned a thing. They are still selling the same old, "We did this so no one would get hurt," lie. And they still want to be involved in scouts? I hope no one ever has the poor judgment to put these guys
in charge of children or adolescents ever again. No one should ever be responsible for people more mature than they themselves are.

Northern
Logan, UT

Someday after 50k more laws are written all of you lynchers will be in the nuse yourselves.
So quick to condem others.

I know it. I Live it. I Love it.
Provo, UT

This is a joke. It's un-American.

Northern is absolutely right. Everyone here is fast to judge. I wonder if anyone here has ever spent time outdoors before with friends... or ever had fun before.

I picked up a rock on a scout camp once and threw it into a lake. Technically I defaced the land as it stood. Human existence technically defaces everything we touch to some degree. So what is it about this that is different, because people like certain rocks? Cause they are pretty? Unique? I have news for you. Everything on this planet is unique. If you like it THAT much, put up a sign in front of every last object that no one can touch, move, remove, etc. Otherwise, get over it.

Should I be scared to go camping now? I'll have to warn my wife not to touch nature, trees, rocks, dirt, or water. I'm not sure I know a scout who hasn't defaced something in nature, according to this standard anyway.

No sign, no foul.

Liberalism at its best... punishing people for being... people... normal... human... Holy cow!

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