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Utah basketball: Utes blow late lead, finish season with first-round NIT loss to St. Mary's

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  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    March 22, 2014 8:59 p.m.

    @ Ohio Cougar

    "By the way ChrisB has watched far more BYU sports than I have this year. Does that make him a closet Cougar?"

    Short answer: Yes. He is obsessed with all things blue.

  • Ohio Cougar Dayton, OH
    March 22, 2014 3:34 p.m.

    It will be nice to see ChrisB and all the other Ute lovers eat some crow. The bottom line is that until you routinely beat done the WCC teams by 15-20 points you shouldn't say anything.

    By the way ChrisB has watched far more BYU sports than I have this year. Does that make him a closet Cougar?

    Obviously, the WCC can play ball and the Ute fans should wait until they can back up their words with their deeds before speaking.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    March 21, 2014 11:03 a.m.

    trueblueBYU, Utah fans can live with 2-12 over the past decade or so. The question is whether or not you can live with all-time program success? See cut and paste below from espn

    BYU
    Final Fours0
    Tournament Record15-30
    Championship SeasonsNone
    Tournament Appearances27

    UTAH
    Final Fours4
    Tournament Record35-30
    Championship Seasons1944
    Tournament Appearances27

    We own you 81-64, 20-13, 38-6 Deseret Duel. Live with it.

  • Allen Salt Lake valley, UT
    March 21, 2014 9:31 a.m.

    Things aren't looking good, right now, for the state of Utah. Hope Weber does better.

  • trueblueBYU Provo, UT
    March 21, 2014 8:31 a.m.

    Re: UofU

    And the truth is that BYU has won 12 of the last 14 against the Utes so live with it!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 20, 2014 7:34 p.m.

    At DSB

    Give it up!

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    March 20, 2014 5:30 p.m.

    @Uteology - do you always catalogue comments on BYU sports articles? How sad. I probably didn't comment at all on that prior game, since I usually don't, win or lose. I'm a BYU fan, but not a BYU homer, and freely acknowledge they need to improve before fans engage in a lot of chest thumping. If they led the entire game, that's either true or not, and not subject to opinion like "they controlled the entire game" might be. As I recall, they did lead through nearly the entire game. So what?

    Check the rebounding stats on whether they controlled the boards. I don't know. What I know is that in big games BYU chokes more often than they rally. In nearly all NCAA tourney appearances, they play below their abilities, shoot horrifically, chuck up desperation 3's far too early, and basically choke. It has happened again today. Same script as always.

    I watched the game. Utah did not control their game, period, by any objective standard. Anyone may believe differently, and I am free to perceive them as homers for doing so. I'm not similarly delusional about my Cougars.

  • UU Provo, UT
    March 20, 2014 4:32 p.m.

    @trueblueBYU "The truth comes out. I guess we knew it all along"

    Yes we did. The truth is still that Utah waxed BYU 81-64.

    And the truth is Utah was .500 in the WCC playing against the #2 and #4 teams, while BYU was .250 in the PAC12 playing against the #6, 7 and 8 teams.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 20, 2014 4:10 p.m.

    LetsDebate, my name is Brad Carter and since I don't know you and you don't know me, commenting about people you don't know being thin skinned or questioning people's basketball IQ or "acumen" simply because they saw a basketball game differently than you is a little over the top in my experience. I never used the word troll or called someone a coward.

    Even the most ardent Cougar fans such as Duckhunter, Ed Grady, and others can be blunt, but they don't resort to personal attacks.

    As for the game, you can't find a post where I said Utah played well at any time. They just happened to play worse in the final 5 minutes of both halves, which is why I compared it to their season tendency.

    Utah was ahead in both halves until the last 5 minutes. Implosion, by definition, is complete collapse, so going from playing poorly to complete implosion in the final 5 minutes of each half is reflected in the possession scoring log and is an accurate assessment of the game.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    March 20, 2014 1:46 p.m.

    SlopJ30
    St Louis, MO said:

    "Another note from the "Conference of Champions" file . . check out how Oregon State represented against . . hold on; I need to look again . . Radford (??) in the first round of the CBI.

    Not a chance anyone here has any idea where Radford is or what other four teams finished above it in something called the "Big South" this year. Hey, I realize that getting up for the NIT or CBI isn't as easy as getting up for the Big Dance, but I would think that schools with the gall to refer to themselves collectively as TCOC would show a little more pride.

    Either that, or the bottom 75% of the conference is no better than average teams from mid-major conferences or . . whatever you'd call the Big South. Aspiring-to-be-Mid-Major? Mid-minor? Sub-minor?

    Go Cougs and Zags!!"

    The PAC 12 is The Conference of Champions. That is fact.
    BYU is not in it, move along and support your two bid conference. No need to be bitter and moan for something you do not have. A real conference affiliation for all sports.

  • trueblueBYU Provo, UT
    March 20, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    Wonderful. BYU beat them twice. The truth comes out. I guess we knew it all along.

  • LetsDebate PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    March 20, 2014 12:26 p.m.

    I like that quote from Rick Pitino as well. BTW, my name is Scott Wilson, what's yours? For someone who allegedly has such a strong basketball background, you sure seem to have thin skin, along with Spokane Ute. If you know basketball so well, I'm really surprised at your first post when you indicated the Utes implosion was limited to the final 5 minutes of each half. Then, you disparage DSB for asserting what everyone else clearly saw as a poorly played game except for the first 5 minutes. Then, you agree with DSB that nearly the entire game was crummy, yet continue to berate him even though you seem to be in agreement. Who's really looking for an argument here?

    I wonder if the irony really escapes as you and Spokane Ute belittle those who disagree with you as trollers and cowards, then decry the lack of civility as though you are not participants.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 20, 2014 11:26 a.m.

    @DSB

    And in line with the thinking of all great coaches, as soon as SMC took the lead, GAME OVER, according to Uteology. Heck, why even play the game from that point?

    -----------

    No, it's not according to me. It's according to statistics using data from 1,782 NCAA games. I am not sure how accurate it is, you'll have to contact the researcher.

    Source: Modeling Win Probability for a College Basketball Game

    In fact, according to the research BYU was more "in control" of the Oregon game back in December, before they also choked. I don't recall you making such a fuss then when your fellow Cougars were making comments as such:

    "I was at the game... It was a very hard loss to accept for a Coug fan... Reasons: BYU led the entire game and controlled the glass... At least they did in the first half until the pac12 zebras decided that Oregon wasn't going to win with the 2 BYU Bigs still in the game... If either Austin or Mika finish Regulation, BYU wins." -- poyman

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 20, 2014 11:00 a.m.

    Solomon Levi
    Alpine, UT

    Uteology

    "Are you really going back into WAC play to pull out some wins,..."

    Why not?

    The Utes go back into WAC play to pull out the last time the Utes really made some noise in the NCAA tournament.

    ------------

    Utah was in the Sweet 16 in 2005. If you don't define that as making noise then you'll need to go back to 1983 when BYU did diddly.

    You want to go back 2 conference affiliations to show your superiority? Feel free, but neither program is close to what they were in the WAC. BYU owned Utah with WAC talent, since then it's been all Utah.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    March 20, 2014 10:50 a.m.

    Another note from the "Conference of Champions" file . . check out how Oregon State represented against . . hold on; I need to look again . . Radford (??) in the first round of the CBI.

    Not a chance anyone here has any idea where Radford is or what other four teams finished above it in something called the "Big South" this year. Hey, I realize that getting up for the NIT or CBI isn't as easy as getting up for the Big Dance, but I would think that schools with the gall to refer to themselves collectively as TCOC would show a little more pride.

    Either that, or the bottom 75% of the conference is no better than average teams from mid-major conferences or . . whatever you'd call the Big South. Aspiring-to-be-Mid-Major? Mid-minor? Sub-minor?

    Go Cougs and Zags!!

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 20, 2014 10:33 a.m.

    Spokane, you and I have tried to be measured, reasoned, and pretty low key about our posts, acknowledging the Utes were awful and there is no dignity in their last two performances.

    Apparently, accuracy of fact is irrelevant in the world of online threads. People resort to name calling, IQ questioning, etc. simply because they disagree over the particulars of a game. I've been watching and playing basketball for over 40 years, so those kinds of personal attacks have no place in any dialog, especially not about sports.

    I like what Rick Pitino recently said about social media...he equated the harshest critics behind a screen name as cowardice.

    Enjoy the games today!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 20, 2014 10:17 a.m.

    @DraperUte

    Wow, we have really hit a nerve by defending our team and stating our opinion on the game. Consider the source my Man. Certain individuals troll these boards looking for an arguement, even when there's none to be had. I'm going to go watch some hoops. Have a good one Guy!

    DRB & Letsdebate

    Get you facts straight in the futute; that would be a good starting point!

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 20, 2014 10:08 a.m.

    DSB, I never said Utah was in control of the game. Go back and read my previous posts, I said Utah wasn't mentally or physically tough, their offense was chaos with all the turnovers, Delon Wright dribbles to much...etc., etc. I've not said one positive thing about Utah's performance and did not split hairs over who was in control of the game.

    Utah played terribly and they lost, end of story. Does that sound like "reach so deep to manufacture a shread of dignity after that debacle?" Utah lost to a team whose center couldn't dunk the ball on a breakaway. There is no dignity and nothing positive to pull from that game.

    Apparently you won't be happy until you not only rub everyone's face in the loss, but you continue to argue who was "really in control."

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 20, 2014 10:00 a.m.

    @DSB

    When did I ever "call the entirely sloppy play through all but the first 5 minutes, including poor shooting and record-high turnovers, being "in control" of the game."?

    When did I ever say "Utah controlled the whole game"?

    Utah played a decent first half and a horrible second half. It was a pittiful way to end the season. I've never said anything more than that. In the future, I would appreciate you getting your facts straight prior to calling some one out and making false accusations. Thats weak suace guy!

    Good Grief!

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    March 20, 2014 9:41 a.m.

    @Draper Ute Fan - you and Uteology and Spokane Ute can call the entirely sloppy play through all but the first 5 minutes, including poor shooting and record-high turnovers, being "in control" of the game. Everyone else who actually understands x's and o's is laughing that anyone would claim to be in control of that game, except for 5 minutes for the Utes and 10 minutes for the Gaels.

    Apparently, while SMC is totally dismantling Utah, starting with about 8 minutes to go, you all still think Utah is in control, just because they managed to hold the lead until the 4:03 mark. And in line with the thinking of all great coaches, as soon as SMC took the lead, GAME OVER, according to Uteology. Heck, why even play the game from that point?

    You guys keep telling yourselves that Utah controlled the whole game. Everyone else is laughing that you have to reach so deep to manufacture a shred of dignity after that debacle.

    There's a big difference between leading a game and controlling a game. That none of you understand it does not make me a BYU troll. It just exposes the homers.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    March 20, 2014 9:03 a.m.

    Duckhunter
    Highland, UT
    @ken

    "We deserve better than this....We deserve to have a team that is winning games in the tournament..."

    No you don't. You are getting exactly what you "deserve". What is it that makes yo think you "deserve" anything? What is it that makes you think utah "fans" "deserve" that more than any other fanbase. The fact is there are always going to be bad teams and programs and utah "fans" don't "deserve" any more than any other schools fans deserve. What a strange thing for you to say.

    _________

    What is strange is your response. Sounds elitist and utopian and the same time. Everyone is equal!!! Nobody is better than anyone else. Whatever.
    And who are you to say that a poster that supports the Utes gets exactly what they deserve?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 20, 2014 9:00 a.m.

    @Marked it Down

    So when Gonzaga lost by two, Utah barely squeeked by. When Gonzaga one by two, no mention of "barely squeeking by"? Now that's curious. I hate to bust your bubble, but I'm a fan of both teams. You will have to keep looking to find an arguement; sorry.

    Scores

    I totally agree, Utah needs to amp up there schedule. I've said that before, I was merely pointing out that Utah beat Gonzaga the last time they played.

    @Draper Ute Fan

    Spot on a usual. I have noticed that a lot of these so called BYU fans troll the Utah threads looking for an arguement. That's there M.O. To each his own. Go Utes!

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 20, 2014 8:55 a.m.

    DSB, Utah led by 13 late in the first half and had a double digit lead through a good portion of the second half.

    Like most Ute losses this year, they imploded in the last 5 minutes of the first and second half.

    You are splitting hairs over the definition of "in control." Having a comfortable and mostly double digit lead for 30+ minutes of the game is what Utah enjoyed, however you choose to define that.

    They choked and lost...the only outcome that matters.

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    March 20, 2014 8:26 a.m.

    It doesn't take a research specialist to watch the contest and easily conclude that Utah was not "in control the entire game." Maybe you just have a different definition of being "in control." If the Utes were truly in control, they would have held SMC in check and widened their lead. As poorly as SMC was playing, if Utah was in control they should have built a 30-point lead before SMC came alive with about 8 minutes left. If they were in control until the 4:03 mark, we would have to assume their horrific shooting, turnovers, and SMC's comeback were all part of the Ute's controlled plan.

    After 5 minutes, there was no control whatsoever - just a lead they were lucky to hold onto for another 30 minutes.

    I hope that helps!

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    March 20, 2014 8:25 a.m.

    It doesn't take a research specialist to watch the contest and easily conclude that Utah was not "in control the entire game." Maybe you just have a different definition of being "in control." If the Utes were truly in control, they would have held SMC in check and widened their lead. As poorly as SMC was playing, if Utah was in control they should have built a 30-point lead before SMC came alive with about 8 minutes left. If they were in control until the 4:03 mark, we would have to assume their horrific shooting, turnovers, and SMC's comeback were all part of the Ute's controlled plan.

    After 5 minutes, there was no control whatsoever - just a lead they were lucky to hold onto for another 30 minutes.

    I hope that helps!

  • agb Layton, UT
    March 20, 2014 7:57 a.m.

    See skywalker I told you:

    'we owned you in the MWC' by definition means its okay to talk about 1999. But you went 'way back' to 1996. Funny how that works huh?

    But like Solomon Levi pointed out, if the WAC days are off the table because they are too far into the past, then I gues there goes the 1998 hoops season.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    March 20, 2014 7:41 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Are you really going back into WAC play to pull out some wins,..."

    Why not?

    The Utes go back into WAC play to pull out the last time the Utes really made some noise in the NCAA tournament.

    (No MWC team has ever gotten past the Sweet Sixteen.)

    Just because the Utes didn't do anything pre-BCS era, doesn't mean that college football history before 2004 is irrelevant.

    btw,

    BYU has more 11+ win, Top 15 seasons, DURING the Bronco era, than Utah has in their ENTIRE history.

    It's laughable that a team that has only been to ONE bowl game since joining the PAC 12, would be bad-mouthing a team that's played in 9 straight bowl games. You do realize, don't you, that BYU's current bowl streak is already equal to the longest bowl streak in Utah history?

    Didn't think so.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 20, 2014 6:23 a.m.

    @skywalker

    1996? Really? Are you really going back into WAC play to pull out some wins, why not just include the entire WAC era because that is as relevant today as 1996? Are you really that desperate?

    BYU BCS Era Resume:

    * No undefeated seasons
    * No BCS bowls
    * No BCS Bowl wins
    * No top 10 finishes (required to make BCS bowls)
    * Losing record against BCS teams
    * Losing record against equivlent teams: Utah 3-9, TCU 2-5, Boise 1-3
    * Losing record against PAC-12 teams (12-14)
    * 62% of BMs total wins were against teams with a losing record

    @DSB
    According to data I found, usually when a home team is down 3 with 5 minutes remaining, 50-47 Utah at that point, then the likelihood of the home team winning is about 40%.

    4:03 SMC 52-50... GAME OVER ... since about 70% of the time home team wins in that scenario.

    I hope that helps!

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    March 20, 2014 2:31 a.m.

    @ekute

    "lol. Your team lost to Pepperdine, Portland, Pacific, and Loyola Marymount, all of whom finished below Saint Mary's...."

    I should point out that all four of the teams that you mentioned had higher RPI ratings than 9 of the teams that your team beat... That's right, 7 of the teams that fell to the mighty utes on the mighty utes home floor (the only place that they could pay at a Division 1 level) had RPIs over 200 and 2 others weren't even Division 1 teams... Take away those 9 wins then what kind of record would the utes have had??? Y'all would not have even been a .500 team.

    Truth is that if the utes were in the WCC they would have finished roughly at the same place they did in the big bad pac12... St. Mary's was a 4th place team and you lost to them... nuff said.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 19, 2014 11:47 p.m.

    Wow, Spokane Ute comes in with a low key comment stating a simple fact and gets clobbered for it. Must have hit a nerve. Neither BYU or Utah have had great success against the Zags, but lighten up a little. Three pile ons for a simple statement of fact?

    Increasingly, I'm wondering about the age of some of the posters who get a little too fired up for reasoned and measured debate. Many of us enjoy the banter and can even get a little riled up sometimes, but Spokane Ute is one of the most low key and emotionally dispassionate posters here.

    While "the answer is obvious" to some of you, the answers in truth are rarely obvious, which is why the games are played, why the Big Dance is the greatest success story in sports, and why we all lament our brackets being blown to bits after one weekend.

    Lighten up a bit people! It is a game!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 19, 2014 11:26 p.m.

    @CougarSunDevil

    You're flip-flopping, you said survey and you never said "some" Ute fans:

    "Of course, Utah fans are thrilled because the BYU game was their post season game. I believe DN did a survey and Utah fans would rather beat BYU than go to the post season. Utah fans should be the happiest in the world!"

    I would agree with you about "some" fans, just like "some" fans and players on your side like Lenny Gomes and Max Hall -- neither players post-games comments were about about how excited they were about their upcoming bowl, instead it was about their love for Utah.

    No idea what the poll asked, since the link to the poll no longer exits. I remember this nonsense claim from BYU fans and what I said today is what Ute Nation told you last year.

    Again, I ask you if that is true then why did we cancel the series. If that's true the why is KW on the hot seat considering he keeps beating BYU.

    Move on, beating BYU isn't that special. We do it every year.

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    March 19, 2014 11:04 p.m.

    Even in High School Loveridge was not an end of a game guy!

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    March 19, 2014 11:02 p.m.

    Chris B. Where is all your posts now. You just got worked by a WCC team. It's always better to post after the results are in. I myself have been burned by this. You just have to accept the fact that The Utes are a below average team in the PAC12…just like in football. It may take the Utes a few years to succeed, but then again it may never happen!

    The WCC is just as good a conference, in basketball, as the PAC 12. This year they may be a little down but usually they are as good or better than the PAC12. Live with it

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    March 19, 2014 11:00 p.m.

    Can't believe I just lost an hour of my life reading this mind numbing drivel. Regarding the game I was very surprised that Utah even had a lead against St. Marys. St. Marys must have been really playing bad ball the first 30 minutes.

  • kiddoc Bountiful, UT
    March 19, 2014 10:44 p.m.

    When most of the team is playing 40 minutes, and nothing but a disastrous meltdown is happening, one novel solution would be to bring some fresh players off the bench and see what they can do ...i.e. Fields, VanDyke. I don't think either Loveridge or Wright are end of game "go to" guys after 35 plus minutes. It was embarrassing.
    Let's see if the Cougs are any better against a mediocre Oregon team.

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    March 19, 2014 9:22 p.m.

    @Uteology - so, when SMC was whittling down the Utes' double-digit lead for five minutes before the 4:03 mark, is that part of the game where Utah was under control, simply because they led? The Utes built a nice lead at the beginning of the game, but for the next 25 minutes no one was "in control." Either team should be embarrassed to claim control of those minutes of that terrible game, and anyone watching could tell that both teams and coaches were frustrated at the inability to control any aspect of the game until about the final 8+ minutes.

    And, the Utes didn't beat a single football team by more than a touchdown except Weber State, and ended up losing 7 games. Several of those teams were mid-level teams "like BYU" and were certainly no cakewalk for the Utes, even the games they won. You say teams "like BYU" were no problem, but every team except Weber State was a challenge.

    All this chest beating to demand bragging rights for mid-level athletic programs (Utah and BYU) is pretty pathetic.

    Let's hear it everyone - We're #45! No, WE'RE #45!

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    March 19, 2014 8:44 p.m.

    "I'm just sayin why don't the utes play Gonzaga next season in Spokane."

    The answer is obvious.

    Every Utah fans knows if the Utes can't beat Washington St on the road, the Utes have absolutely no chance of winning a game in the Kennel, the Spectrum, or the Marriott Center.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    March 19, 2014 8:38 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "The last time Gonzaga played Utah,"

    The Utes barely escaped losing to the Bulldogs at home.

    Utah has lost two of three versus Gonzaga during the Mark Few era.

    2002 - L 52-71 Lahaina, HI
    2007 - L 59-61 Spokane
    2008 - W 66-65 SLC

    The last time Utah beat Gonzaga in Spokane - Dec. 23, 1938, 34 years before Mark Few was born.

    Just sayin.....

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    March 19, 2014 8:25 p.m.

    Spokane,

    I don't care who won back then....I'm just sayin why don't the utes play Gonzaga next season in Spokane. And since you're close home, you could go. It would certainly help the u's SOS. If the utes don't man up next year, rest assured...they will NOT go DANCING again!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 19, 2014 8:08 p.m.

    At Scores

    The last time Gonzaga played Utah, they got beat. Just sayin.....

  • agb Layton, UT
    March 19, 2014 7:47 p.m.

    Skywalker:

    Take note: this could represent the collective beginning to redefine the line between recent and ancient history as the first year of the MWC. It used to be 2004. Well for football that is. Basketball is a completely different story. It's only before 1998 that matters. I know it's confusing; hope this helps.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    March 19, 2014 7:37 p.m.

    I think the result would have been the same if u had been playing at San Diego or SF! Why don't you schedule Gonzaga next year in Spokane?

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    March 19, 2014 7:37 p.m.

    Old but not

    If you go to NBAdraft.net and click on "top 100 big board"

    I believe you will find it actually does go to 100

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    March 19, 2014 7:34 p.m.

    Down

    I don't believe I said that. Obviously your desire to tear down Delon is greater than your desire to be truthful.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 19, 2014 7:30 p.m.

    @Down under

    Utelogy, the conference IS NOT the rest of the country just so you know. Please remove your crimson glasses and a few layers of pac stickers and you will se more clearly.

    -------------

    Why don't you make me see clearly. Provide me some sources that agree with your analysis of Wright.

    My research shows that most mock drafts have Wright as a late first round pick. He still needs to develop his game, in particular his outside shooting but as of today he's a prospect.

    Don't let your envy cloud your judgment. Just like it did with the Jimmer.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 19, 2014 7:26 p.m.

    Uteology,

    First comment: "The poll was about finishing 5-6 and beating BYU or losing and finishing 6-6 and going to a meaningless bowl game."

    Second comment: "You actually think Utah would give up a Sugar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Sun Bowl, or even a Vegas Bowl for a win over BYU?"

    So your first comment was wrong or not? Did you make an uninformed off the cuff remark or were you intentionally being a politician?

    "Your using a unscientific poll to tell us what we think? Where fans like you were part of the sample size. Good one!"

    I said it was a DN article, not a poll. They were referencing a poll from a Twitter account (again unscientific) about if Utah would prefer a Bowl game or beating BYU. Either way, I'm not telling YOU what you think, I'm just citing the poll and, based on the poll results, it should make Utah fans happy. I didn't say ALL Utah fans, but I'm pretty sure their are some Utah fans who would rather win only one game if it meant beating BYU.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    March 19, 2014 7:24 p.m.

    Uteology

    "We chose the money and a step-up in competition."

    And several steps down in competitiveness:

    4-5, unranked
    3-6, no bowl
    2-7, no bowl

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    March 19, 2014 7:18 p.m.

    Uteology

    U haven't owned anything!

    15 of the last 18 head-to-head games were decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime.

    Winning a slight majority (8 of 15) of those close games doesn't prove anything.

    Since 1996:

    BYU - 5 conference championships, 7 Top 25 finishes, 4 Top 15 finishes, 1 Top 5 finish

    Utah - 4 conference championships, 5 Top 25 finishes, 2 Top 15 finishes, 2 Top 5 finishes

  • Ray E. LITTLETON, CO
    March 19, 2014 7:14 p.m.

    Can't believe the ridiculous Ute fans who were posting trash talk at half-time last night. Would love to have seen their jaws drop to the floor as they watched the last ten minutes of the game. That being said, I feel bad for the players and the organization--they've come a long way since the five-win season a couple of years ago. Tough to see the year end with the Arizona thrashing and this game they let get away.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 7:13 p.m.

    skywalker speaks volumes of truth.
    Please accept that the utes are not that good and move on to next season. Maybe the admin will come to their senses and actually prepare their team for tough competition, including the WCC.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 19, 2014 7:10 p.m.

    Veritas Aequitas
    Fruit Heights, UT

    Uteology

    Go to a bowl, or make the dance.

    Very simple.

    Mo more drawn out excuses. You chose the money.

    ------------

    We chose the money and a step-up in competition. Just like TCU.

    Are you saying BYU would not accept an invite from the Big 12 if the discussions completed tomorrow?

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 7:10 p.m.

    Pocy,
    So I guess strength and shooting are not require in the NBA. Interesting.

    Utelogy, the conference IS NOT the rest of the country just so you know. Please remove your crimson glasses and a few layers of pac stickers and you will se more clearly.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 19, 2014 7:07 p.m.

    @CougarSunDevil

    "I have no problem that BYU fans would rather go 6-6 and lose to Utah in order to face a team like UTEP in New Mexico (see 2010)."

    Or like when BYU went to a bowl game in 2011, 2012, and 2013, wherein Utah failed to make a bowl in 2012 and 2013?

    -------------

    Irrelevant, we play in two different leagues.

    TCU failed to make a bowl game in 2013 after dominating the MWC with multiple top 10 finishes. Utah went to 11 straight bowl games, 11-1 with 2 BCS wins.

    Utah, TCU, and BYU had 6-8 built in wins each year in the MWC.

    The difference now is that Utah and TCU play a "real schedule", BYU does not. This year I am predicting BYU will go 10-2 at worst.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    March 19, 2014 6:47 p.m.

    It's interesting how Utah fans belittled BYU fans incessantly the past three years about how easy it was to play in the "high school" gyms of the WCC, yet the first time the Utes ventured into such a gym, they folded like a flimsy house of cards.

    The weak little Saint Mary's Gaels beat the Utes by as much, 58-70, as Oregon 68-70, Washington 57-59, Washington St 46-49, Colorado 79-75, and Stanford 60-61 did COMBINED.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    March 19, 2014 6:46 p.m.

    Uteology

    Go to a bowl, or make the dance.

    Very simple.

    Mo more drawn out excuses. You chose the money.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 19, 2014 6:44 p.m.

    @CougarSunDevil

    Your using a unscientific poll to tell us what we think? Where fans like you were part of the sample size. Good one!

    The comments in the article were clear what Ute Nation thought. Take your time to read them. You actually think Utah would give up a Sugar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Sun Bowl, or even a Vegas Bowl for a win over BYU? If that's so then explain why we canceled the series?

    BYU had NOTHING to do with why Utah failed to make a bowl game in 2012 and 2013. We're having problems competing in the PAC-12 not competing against teams like BYU. BYU has 6-10 built in games each year, just like we did when we were in the MWC and went to 10 straight bowl, so it's not difficult to make a bowl.

    @DSB

    Utah lead until the 4:03 point in the 2nd half. With 21 turnover leading to 22 points. Utah played sloppy, this was their 5th game they blew a big lead in the 2nd half. We choked, but SMC deserves all the credit for being the aggressor.

    @TroyTown

    PAC-12 officiating? We OWNED you in the MWC.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    March 19, 2014 6:40 p.m.

    pocyUte-

    My bad...I rechecked the [NBADraft] Big Board and Wright is at 65.

    Please accept my profuse and abject apologies.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    March 19, 2014 6:37 p.m.

    pocyUte

    "Downunder
    once again, you are incorrect.
    Delon is 65th on the NBAdraft.net big board."

    Disagree that Downunder is wrong. The big board at NBAdraft.net only went to sixty.

    Wright was at #9 for his class....but remember the big board includes ALL of the potential early departures (Zach Lavine #11 and Kyle Anderson #14, for example) and full-term seniors (like Doug McDermott).

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    March 19, 2014 6:07 p.m.

    All Talk!

    When it comes to winning road games in front of raucous crowds in small gyms, the Utes are all talk, but no walk.

    As soon as the Gaels turned up the pressure and started hitting a few shots in the final 8+ minutes of the game, the Utes collapsed like the road weaklings they've proven themselves to be.

    Uteology

    Nno other conference in the country has generated more controversy because of conference homer refereeing than the PAC 12. It's blatantly obvious why the PAC 12 insists on having its own referees for all non-conference games and it's not because the Pac 12 is concerned about "fairness".

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    March 19, 2014 5:31 p.m.

    @ekute - for a very good home team to wipe the floor with a very bad road team is nothing at all to brag about. That people keep bringing up the U's victory over BYU says a mouthful about either their a high level of insecurity, or the comic inability to draw a meaningful conclusion about the victory. Let's see the U wipe the floor with BYU at the Marriott Center, or even on a neutral floor. I'll say the same thing next year if BYU trounces Utah in Provo.

    Show consistency at home and on the road, then make a judgment about the meaning of a home victory. Until then, being great at home and terrible on the road makes a single home victory pretty meaningless as an overall team comparison.

    @Uteology - the Utes controlled the entire game? Outside of the first five minutes, how does one control a total train wreck on both sides? They may have led most of the game, but both teams were abysmal for 25 minutes. The Utes were totally controlled by SMC for the final 10 minutes.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 19, 2014 5:18 p.m.

    Uteology,

    "The poll was about finishing 5-6 and beating BYU or losing and finishing 6-6 and going to a meaningless bowl game."

    No it wasn't. DN article said specifically "Would Utah football fans rather beat rival BYU and finish with a losing season or lose the rivalry game and finish the season with a bowl game?"

    "I have no problem that BYU fans would rather go 6-6 and lose to Utah in order to face a team like UTEP in New Mexico (see 2010)."

    Or like when BYU went to a bowl game in 2011, 2012, and 2013, wherein Utah failed to make a bowl in 2012 and 2013?

    "Utah fans are happy beating BYU, it was the BYU fans that were pelting PAC-12 officials with garbage after yet another loss."

    Same refs that hooked up my ASU Sun Devils with bad calls. biased? naw...

  • The Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 5:09 p.m.

    Any way you look at this game, it was a tough loss. St Marys usually has a pretty good team and is tough to beat at home. However,when you have a lead and are seemingly in control of the game and St Marys best 2 players foul out, you have to close out the game with a win. Obviously, Utah did not do that.

    Give credit to St. Marys for rallying and winning the game.

    Hopefully, with the addition of a couple of recruits Utah can figure out how to turn some of these losses into wins next year.

  • Area 52 Tooele, UT
    March 19, 2014 5:07 p.m.

    It’s unbelievable that we still have a few Ute bloggers still in denial, please go back and read @Cal Coug RPI breakdown of Utah. Those 10 preseason wins against “cupcake” teams is the reason why Utah looked better than they really were. And that my friends are why SOS matters. Too bad a few Ute fans are still in denial. Utah better get with the program and start scheduling tougher teams in the preseason or else this may happen every year and at the same time watch BYU go dancing.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    March 19, 2014 4:57 p.m.

    Downunder

    once again, you are incorrect.

    Delon is 65th on the NBAdraft.net big board.

    He has 2 glaring weaknesses: strength and shooting. An offseason of strength and conditioning with A LOT of work shooting in the gym, he can very easily work his way up the list.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 19, 2014 4:18 p.m.

    Down under
    Salt Lake City, UT

    Wright is no more an NBA prospect than Luke Worthington of BYU.
    Wright is only a prospect on the hill inside the crimson bubble.

    Noone else knew about him until the last two games where he way under performed on national TV. Now more people know about him and are very unimpressed.

    ------------

    Enough people knew about him that he made PAC-12 first team and all defensive team.
    Your envy shines throw, please keep posting.

    One suggestion, maybe you should worry less about Wright being an NBA prospect and sorry more about Jimmer being an NBA prospect. As of today, he has more DNPs in Chicago than he did in Sacramento.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 19, 2014 4:10 p.m.

    WCougarSunDevil

    The poll was about finishing 5-6 and beating BYU or losing and finishing 6-6 and going to a meaningless bowl game.

    I have no problem that BYU fans would rather go 6-6 and lose to Utah in order to face a team like UTEP in New Mexico (see 2010).

    Utah fans are happy beating BYU, it was the BYU fans that were pelting PAC-12 officials with garbage after yet another loss.

    ---------------------------

    As far as basketball, SMC was the most embarrassing loss. It was as bad as the Washington State loss. Just like that game, we controlled the entire game, had a big lead, and down the stretch folded under pressure. At this point of the season that should never have happened. SMC is as good as California and we were able to beat Cal on the road.

    I'm disappointed in how the season ended but hopeful going forward with how we were able to compete in the PAC-12 in all but 2 games. Next step is to figure out how to win on the road. Excited to see what Chapman and Kuzma bring to the team next year and hopefully Wright can develop his outside shot over the summer.

    Go UTES!

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    March 19, 2014 4:06 p.m.

    Fan in orem

    I get what you are saying, but I don't think that is the reason. From all accounts I have heard is that K is very calm in the huddle when addressing the team. I actually the team yakked down the stretch because they have done it all year, and they were afraid of doing it again. Hopefully an off season of working out and working together will help this team develop some toughness.

    I love what the team did, and the progress that the program has made over a short period of time. Finishing .500 in the Pac-12 was a great stepping stone, but the holes in the team and in the individuals' games are quite obvious. I except the team to work on that and be better next year.

    Go Utes!!!

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    March 19, 2014 4:06 p.m.

    All the noise in the small gym must have gotten to the utes.

  • agb Layton, UT
    March 19, 2014 4:02 p.m.

    54-10:

    You haven't heard any one talk about wright as a first rounder but according to the experts he's a top 30 pick? If that were the case wouldn't people be talking about it?

    Looks like you failed.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    March 19, 2014 3:46 p.m.

    Duckhunter is basically correct.

    Spokane Ute has been a consistently good example of a Ute fan with class. He usually remains on topic and mostly stays objective. A great example worth emulating.
    To their credit, Draper-Ute-Fan, Great Ute, StGtoSLC and PocyUte are usually not too far behind.

    On the far other end of the spectrum, the ultra group which gets under the skin of many BYU fans with relative extreme bias are...
    Well, I won't start naming names. But we all know who you are, and so do you. Please try following the example of some of the above named examples. Hopefully, some ultra Cougar fans will then follow suit as well.

    Increased civility needs to start someplace.

  • Jack from Ark Hensley, AR
    March 19, 2014 3:44 p.m.

    The gym may be smaller but the basket ball floor is the same size. Is it not interesting that the the size of the arena really doesn't matter. Someone has to lose in these tournaments thank goodness they didn't make the big dance and really get embarrassed.
    Good luck next year

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 3:35 p.m.

    54-10, I'm guessing those NBA 2015 mock drafts were drawn up before Delon laid consecutive eggs in the two most important games of little u's season, or before he missed 4 out 5 free throws that could have made the difference in the crimson season against Arizona in the dark cement cavern??? No doubt he's a good player but I'll wager to guess he doesn't go 1st round after his performance in the clutch is evaluated. No shame in going lower though. I wish him well. I even hope he declares for the draft and walks away from the little red engine that could(n't) while he can.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    March 19, 2014 3:33 p.m.

    I was surprised at Utah's athleticism. The Utes were quick to the basket and pretty good on defense as well. Utah was also disciplined trying to extend the game, the results weren't effective but they were disciplined. I don't know if it is that they get nervous, cocky, bad coaching, or don't have a high basketball IQ. Something is definitely missing, just not athleticism.

    I would expect the Utes to be tough next year, but I have my doubts.

  • That's A Good One Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 3:28 p.m.

    This article will soon be the most commented on article across the Deseret News site. My input would be that if not for the first page of belittling remarks towards St. Marys College, their conference, and their gym, etc. from a handful of arrogant, clueless individuals (all of which would have been denied by the censors if the policies were enforced evenly across the board) there wouldn't be a fourth the volume of comments there are. Heck, there wouldn't be a tenth.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 3:15 p.m.

    Wright is no more an NBA prospect than Luke Worthington of BYU.
    Wright is only a prospect on the hill inside the crimson bubble.

    Noone else knew about him until the last two games where he way under performed on national TV. Now more people know about him and are very unimpressed.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    March 19, 2014 3:11 p.m.

    @ ekute:

    Some correction is needed. You stated "The Utes wiped the floor with [the] Cougars from tip-off till the final second of the game."

    Even though that is completely off-topic, if you saw that game objectively, you'd know the Utes jumped out to an unusually quick start and lead. After the first 10 minutes of game time, the point-spread stayed relatively equal the rest of the game.

    Also, since BYU played the only still-undefeated and top-ranked team in the entire country (Wichita State) to a closer point-spread than against Utah, any basketball pundit would then realize the Ute game had to have been somewhat of an anomaly (or fluke as some people refer to it). Otherwise you are insinuating Utah is better than Wichita State, a statement that would get a person committed to a psycho ward.

    A more accurate example of someone "wiping the floor" with someone else would be what Arizona recently did to Utah... beating them by approximately twice what Utah did to BYU.

    Note: The article is about a game between two teams... not gym sizes or conferences. A contest between only 2 specific teams.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    March 19, 2014 3:05 p.m.

    @ekute
    and yet they are still a #10 in the tournament LOL, but sure you can keep waving your mighty Pac flag on your car about a game last year at home. i'm happy for you.

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    March 19, 2014 3:04 p.m.

    Come on ekute you are in a gray area in your challenge to moderateinmagna.

    I can't say I've definitely ever seen anything truly "classless" posted by you, but I'm positive I have. I and most other people don't bookmark posts made by others.

    But regardless of whether there is definitive proof of you being "classless" I do know that you post to BYU articles frequently, if not habitually. And rarely is it positive. Usually your posts have an incendiary element to it. You should be more like Spokane Ute. He tends to be more sensible whilst remaining loyal to his Utes.

    I rarely post to Utah articles. This is the most I ever have. The reason is obvious although I really hold with those BYU fans who wish that somehow Utah could win and yet Chris B (Legion). and ekute types lose.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    March 19, 2014 3:00 p.m.

    " .......Your team lost to Pepperdine, Portland, Pacific, and Loyola Marymount, all of whom finished below Saint Mary's.....And ha ha, ...... "

    ek - If you ate all the crow you deserve, the crow bird would become an endangered species.

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    March 19, 2014 2:58 p.m.

    It ain't so easy to play in those bandbox gyms of the WCC, especially when the refs turn on you. Utah seemed to have the game well in hand when I started watching (early in the 2nd half), but it was all downhill from there.

  • Cal Coug Loomis, CA
    March 19, 2014 2:57 p.m.

    I can't lie: it's been fun to tease some of you, after the initial comments about this game. :-) Seriously, though, for the level-headed Ute fan--which are most of you, despite the inane comments of a few dorks--this game was a fairly good bellwether for where the Ute program got to this year. You had some good home wins over teams with good RPI's:

    Team - RPI
    UCLA - 14
    CU - 31
    BYU - 32
    ASU - 44

    But your road losses were against less stellar competition.

    Team - RPI
    WSU - 218
    UW - 101
    BSU - 81
    SU - 40

    You had a total of 2 road wins this year:

    Team - RPI
    USC - 170
    Cal - 61

    So overall, it shouldn't be that surprising to lose to St. Mary's on the road, with an RPI of 60. It would have been your highest ranked RPI road win all year. And with the losses to BSU, UW, and WSU in the rearview mirror, this loss might have been expected. But you clearly made progress this year. There's no reason to think that won't continue, and chances are, you'll be dancing next year.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 19, 2014 2:54 p.m.

    @ken

    "We deserve better than this....We deserve to have a team that is winning games in the tournament..."

    No you don't. You are getting exactly what you "deserve". What is it that makes yo think you "deserve" anything? What is it that makes you think utah "fans" "deserve" that more than any other fanbase. The fact is there are always going to be bad teams and programs and utah "fans" don't "deserve" any more than any other schools fans deserve. What a strange thing for you to say.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 19, 2014 2:41 p.m.

    @ekute

    You sometimes pretend to be a reasonable sort but it is fun to see your true colors which always come out in times of frustration and intensity. You are suffering today and that is how it should be. You have chosen to support a program that is not very good, we all pay for our choices and you are paying for yours.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 2:31 p.m.

    agb AKA Jacker us

    "You are so right about Wright. It says something about the level of myopia and hyperbole on the hill when the "Wright is a 1st round draft pick" talking point flys under the radar."

    Haven't heard any comments about Wright's NBA prospects from the Hill. However, a quick google of NBA 2015 mock drafts shows Wright mentioned in some of them in the top 30 picks, which according to my math would put him in the first round.

    Posting falsehoods under 2 different screen names still doesn't make it true.

    So as our good friend would say.

    Fail

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    March 19, 2014 2:30 p.m.

    Down under
    "Fan in Orem,
    Good call. I watched Coach k*'s face when they didn't perform and it looked ready to kill. I thought coaches were supposed to be mentors and build a team up and remain positive. Coach k* is none of that when things get sour. I wonder if he is just in it to build a resume for when he wants to jump to a real basketball program. Maybe it is just that the cameras catch him at a bad time. Also notice that he drinks a lot of water, probably from yelling too much."

    Yeah, I think he is "stat stuffing" his resume. People drink a lot of water for various reasons, i.e., bladder infections or dry mouth caused by fear/nerves. I suspect Coach k*'s reason is the latter, since he only leaves the bench at half-time.

    *Coach k* is not near the coach as Coach K at Duke. Suggest using k* instead of K to retain clarity and remove all doubt as to whom you refer.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    March 19, 2014 2:17 p.m.

    Out of 350 Division I basketball teams, very few have losing records at home. It is EASY to win a majority of your home games. Therefore, BYU losing at Utah should not mean that Utah is absolutely better than BYU. BYU only lost one home game this season, to ISU. By two points. Is Utah as good or better than ISU? Doubt it.

    ekute, keep spewing. Even Chris B had the sense to disappear for the day. Apparently you and Ken don't. Many of us Cougar fans are laughing and rubbing it in to YOU! Not SpokaneUte and those like him who post with class. You, and Chris B, and others who continually denigrate BYU and any other school not in the "Prestigious" Pac-12. We are laughing hysterically because you got what you deserved. Karma!

  • agb Layton, UT
    March 19, 2014 2:10 p.m.

    Jakarus:

    You are so right about Wright. It says something about the level of myopia and hyperbole on the hill when the "Wright is a 1st round draft pick" talking point flys under the radar.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 19, 2014 2:09 p.m.

    moderateinmagna,
    I challenge you to reference the last classless comment that I posted under a byu article.
    And who are you calling a troll under a Utah article?

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 19, 2014 2:01 p.m.

    ekute

    "are you forgetting that The Utes wiped the floor with your cougars from tip-off till the final second of the game?"

    Well, that was last year (2013). Most people have moved on from that time. The rest of the country sees BYU as a 10 seed in the NCAA tournament while the country may or may not have watched Saint Mary's beat Utah by 12 points in the first round of the Not Invited Tournament. Of course, Utah fans are thrilled because the BYU game was their post season game. I believe DN did a survey and Utah fans would rather beat BYU than go to the post season. Utah fans should be the happiest in the world!

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    March 19, 2014 1:58 p.m.

    ekute
    Layton, UT

    It was an ugly, sloppy, frustrating game to watch. Props to Saint Mary's for their emotional come back. That doesn't change the facts that the wcc is a second rate gym filled conference that byu basketball should be embarrassed to be affiliated with because nobody wants their football team and Utah stomped byu back in Dec. Go Utes.And you should be embarassed for all the classlees comments that you and some other so called u fans post on BYU threads the second rate converence you talk about just kicked your precious utes behinds typical classles comment from a ute troll

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 19, 2014 1:58 p.m.

    54-10

    "Loving all this.
    Keep it coming Cougar "fans"."

    Says Chris B. who is the author of how to "keep it coming".

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 1:57 p.m.

    ek - December is so last year. Welcome to 2014. This is March, where the utes showed in their two most recent games that it doesn't matter what conference, team, or gym you play in that you can only cover up the nation's worst home loaded pre-season schedule for so long. The old lipstick on a pig theory alive and well in East Salt Lake.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 1:53 p.m.

    Loving all this.

    Keep it coming Cougar "fans".

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    March 19, 2014 1:48 p.m.

    I wish the Utah players well. I hope the cowardly administration lets them play some good local teams next year, and not teams that will help inflate the win total to keep their jobs.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 19, 2014 1:47 p.m.

    jarka-rus,
    lol. Your team lost to Pepperdine, Portland, Pacific, and Loyola Marymount, all of whom finished below Saint Mary's.....And ha ha, are you forgetting that The Utes wiped the floor with your cougars from tip-off till the final second of the game?

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    March 19, 2014 1:42 p.m.

    Ken is right and weber is wrong because we are more quality than smaller confrences so we can brag and put down smaller confrences all we want because they arent even close to our quality thats why we win them always except for last night when the refs felt sorry for the smaller Marys team that doesnt have quality.

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    March 19, 2014 1:33 p.m.

    I had to rewind last night to make sure I heard right. The announcers said that Utah and SMU were CLEARLY the best teams left out of the NCAA tourney. What? And, who paid them to say that? I don't recall anyone even talking about Utah being a bubble team before the selection. This NIT game was right for the Utes, and right for SMC.

    SMC played very well at home all year, and Utah played very poorly on the road all year. Any other outcome would have been out of character for either team, and a surprise to anyone paying attention. As I said before the game, anyone who predicted a cake walk for Utah was simply delusional.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 19, 2014 1:30 p.m.

    It was an ugly, sloppy, frustrating game to watch. Props to Saint Mary's for their emotional come back. That doesn't change the facts that the wcc is a second rate gym filled conference that byu basketball should be embarrassed to be affiliated with because nobody wants their football team and Utah stomped byu back in Dec. Go Utes.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 1:28 p.m.

    Ken, this article isn't about conferences, it's about last night's JV tournament round 1 game where the PAC-12's utah showed how to implode against one of the WCC's most consistently good teams.

    Don't pretend ute athletics are even close to the normal level of the PAC-12 conference. They aren't.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    March 19, 2014 1:27 p.m.

    Just like the Stanford game, the Byu game was a fluke

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 19, 2014 1:26 p.m.

    Ken

    "Just don't pretend like the conferences are on even close to the same level. They aren't."

    Then it's a good thing you have a conference to brag about because you don't have a team to brag about.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 1:26 p.m.

    Fan in Orem,
    Good call. I watched Coach K's face when they didn't perform and it looked ready to kill. I thought coaches were supposed to be mentors and build a team up and remain positive. Coach K is none of that when things get sour. I wonder if he is just in it to build a resume for when he wants to jump to a real basketball program. Maybe it is just that the cameras catch him at a bad time. Also notice that he drinks a lot of water, probably from yelling too much.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    March 19, 2014 1:24 p.m.

    @ekute
    LOL, one and done in the NIT

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    March 19, 2014 1:21 p.m.

    I think we can put to rest the silly notion that Wright is a top NBA prospect, not even close

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    March 19, 2014 1:19 p.m.

    have said it all season long. the Pac is WEAK! and all the Pac teams in the tourney will be exposed, especially Zona.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    March 19, 2014 1:17 p.m.

    mighty Pac team loses in the NIT to what? a puny WCC team.? LOL

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 1:15 p.m.

    deseret pete - It's both

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    March 19, 2014 1:11 p.m.

    Utah rules
    Salt Lake City, UT

    We Ute fans deserve everything that the BYU fans put out. Many of are very arrogant at times and need to lay off. I am certain that if we backed off off BYU articles that the BYU fans would do the same. Chris, you know who we are talking about.You are absolutely correct the only reason i have so much contempt for the utes now is because of all the hateful posts by a certain troll who has 10 aka,s and a few others that constantly come on a BYU thread and do nothing but bash,i used to be a season ticket holder and a booster for utah but no more, i can,t stand the arrogance of some of their fans,very classless,i thank you for your sensible post.

  • fan in orem Orem, UT
    March 19, 2014 1:08 p.m.

    Any Ute fans still reading these comments? Coach seems to be a *very* intense guy. Do you think some of your players are afraid of making a mistake late in games, because they don't want to be screamed at?

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    March 19, 2014 1:06 p.m.

    weber state,

    You're still not getting it. "It's quite possible that these small schools play a pretty darn good brand of "quality" basketball" Quality is relative I guess then. They play quality basketball relative to high school or relative to the big conferences like the Pac 12? If they played quality basketball relative to the Pac 12, why wouldn't the #1 big sky team have a good chance at beating the #1 pac 12 team?

    Don't get me wrong - I usually cheer for Weber State and most other Utah schools. Just don't pretend like the conferences are on even close to the same level. They aren't.

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    March 19, 2014 12:56 p.m.

    2020,
    Yes BYU and us fans remember we lost to Utah but the team picked itself up and dusted itself off and beat St. Mary's twice on route to a invite to the Big Dance!!! Utah had a better season then they have had in years with some great wins but in the end they lost an important game in a "high school gym" to a member of the WCC!!! Karma!!!

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    March 19, 2014 12:46 p.m.

    Spiff
    Salt Lake City, UT

    For all you BYU Homers, which school destroyed the other school earlier this year? SCOREBOARD!

    Thanks again Utah for your stupid throw the ball around the perimeter hurl the ball towards the basket to beat the shot clock offense. How do you lose to a team by twelve, when you lead by double digits for most of the game? Better find some offense not just throw the ball around. Most of those turnovers were balls thrown to no one.Which team has not beaten the other team in 7 yrs [hint] it begins with a u u pound your chest over 1 win in 7 yrs and then gloat about typical u fan

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    March 19, 2014 12:45 p.m.

    Chris B: I guess the WWC is not as bad as you predicated or the mighty Utes is far worse than you thought --

  • JoeCoug OREM, UT
    March 19, 2014 12:42 p.m.

    I want to congratulate Coack K for what he's doing up north. Definite progress, and they're on the rise. I put the coach and university on one side and a small faction of Ute fans who spew on the other. Many Utah fans are realistic. It's a great rivalry that I hope returns (read: football).

    Good luck next year, Coach, with a team that is getting better.

    Good luck, Cougars, tomorrow afternoon. If Carlino hits shots and BYU defends the 3 they have a shot. Their D has gotten much better over the last several games.

  • dirt Sandy, UT
    March 19, 2014 12:38 p.m.

    I dont' know what Ute fans were thinking as the comments started here. They played bad, but St Mary's played utterly terrible. It's not like Utah was doing anything to beat St Mary's at all. It was all St. Mary's coming out bored and flat. Even when they got going in the second half, it's not like they played well. Its just that Utah is bad.

    That was ugly. Weird that Ute fans are actually trying to boast.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 19, 2014 12:37 p.m.

    Although Majerus had tremendous success, I was never a fan of the weave style of offense he ran and Larry currently runs. Unless you set good screens, it is just running around. The turnovers proved that last night. SMU played the passing lanes and killed the Utes with turnovers.

    Loveridge is not a great player facing the basket. How many drive to the bucket layups did he miss last night? I would favor an offense more focused on inside/out play, which might mean moving Loveridge and others to a post position and have our centers (who played terribly) play the weak side post.

    The current program of running around in circles and jacking up 3's or driving to the bucket and throwing up a prayer or a turnover is not an offense. It is chaos.

    Also, put Delon Wright in as a 2 and leave BT to run the point. Wright killed us with turnovers in recent weeks. Way too much dribbling!

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    March 19, 2014 12:36 p.m.

    Ken
    Sandy, UT
    "@Weberstate - I'm sorry if reality hurts. I said that the Pac 12 and smaller conferences like the Big sky are miles apart. ..... But if the two conferences aren't miles apart then wouldn't Weber at least stand a decent chance at beating Arizona? After all, they're both the best in their conferences. By saying you don't think Weber will win shows you think there is such a low chance they win - which is indicative of the conferences being very far apart in quality. And like I said, if reality hurts - sorry. But I'll keep bringing people back to reality."

    Typical "crimson crazy" logic. UCLA and AZ (an NCAA #1 seed) are the PAC-12. The rest are in the PAthetiC-12. Obviously, this is painful for you. So I would not be putting Weber State or the Big Sky down. So, @WeberState is not that far off base.

  • dirt Sandy, UT
    March 19, 2014 12:36 p.m.

    Utah's obviously just a bad team. They were lucky St. Mary's couldn't shoot the ball otherwise they would have lost by 30 plus.

    Bad team, plus incredibly boring style.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    March 19, 2014 12:23 p.m.

    Sorry Chris and Ken. I think it is time for Utah fans to realize that the reason they were invited to the PAC was NOT Athletic Prowess or Tradition, but to fill a space. It might just be time to face reality. Utah may have a good year now and again, but Utah is Utah.

    Just get used to the other team Bowling and Dancing.

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    March 19, 2014 12:19 p.m.

    2020
    Herriman, UT

    It is embarrassing to lose to a WCC team, even on the road in their high school gym. What gets me by reading these posts is that I wonder if BYU fan remembers that BYU and Utah did play this year, and Utah won handily?Yes for the 1st time in 7 yrs or do you have stml[short term memory loss] i think it will be a much different story next year in Provo where the Utes have never beaten BYU in the DAVE ROSE era

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    March 19, 2014 12:18 p.m.

    TFUDD,
    I see and read you leading the charge of the fair weather fans jumping off the Utah bandwagon!!! I wonder if the renovations at the HC are to remove seating for "fans" like you?

    Go Cougs beat the Ducks!!!

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    March 19, 2014 12:18 p.m.

    @Payito "..It's just a game and it's so funny to see all the "my dad can beat up your dad" mentality from the utes and cougars."

    I agree with you on that. However, the big difference is that I have rarely ever seen BYU fans dancing on their opponent's grave (and symbolically their opponent's conference) before the first half was even over! Seriously, much does that behavior beg for a serious slap down by the sisters of fate? Or, ironically, the sisters of Saint Mary's.

    The really comical thing is that, with some of these guys-- Chris B. et al, it can't be helped. They literally cannot stop themselves from doing it. They are so obsessed with being better than BYU, and simultaneously so impressed with their membership in the PAC that they can't see the role their own program (both major sports) plays in dampening the PAC's supposedly fearsome reputation.

    I love comedy, and its rare to see comedy shake out like this comment thread has evolved.

    But still I am impressed by the progress of the Utes this season. As Chris B. said: I didn't see that coming.

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    March 19, 2014 12:15 p.m.

    @Ken

    Apparently, you still don't get it.

    It's all about good sportsmanship, fun competition, and mutual respect...not scornful claims of arrogant conference superiority with "quality" reserved only for the larger conferences. It's quite possible that these small schools play a pretty darn good brand of "quality" basketball.

    So keep bringing people back to reality...it makes for a nice dish of poetic crow to be served for the overconfident fan.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 12:14 p.m.

    In evaluating the u's improvement from game to game isn't it heartening that they scored more than the

  • Cal Coug Loomis, CA
    March 19, 2014 12:13 p.m.

    Ha ha! I guess the U now knows how it feels to play in a "cupcake" conference. I know that logic doesn't play much of a role in some of the comments here, but the reality is that 4 of the WCC "cupcakes" have a higher RPI than the U. U just experienced why it's hard to win on the road in the WCC. So enough about the conference disparity already! BYU showed how to get to the Big Dance: play a difficult non-conference schedule, learn how to play and win on the road, and then do well in your conference. The conference itself is only part of the equation. And in case anyone has forgotten, winning at Stanford is harder than it looks; just like winning at St. Mary's.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    March 19, 2014 12:11 p.m.

    Someone needs to let the utes know that basketball games are 40 minutes long, not 35 minutes.

  • Utah rules Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 12:03 p.m.

    We Ute fans deserve everything that the BYU fans put out. Many of are very arrogant at times and need to lay off. I am certain that if we backed off off BYU articles that the BYU fans would do the same. Chris, you know who we are talking about.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    March 19, 2014 12:00 p.m.

    Spiffy
    Salt Lake City, UT

    "For all you BYU Homers, which school destroyed the other school earlier this year? SCOREBOARD!"

    I would have thought that reasonable people who consider all the facts would not get so hung up on the 'scoreboard' in one early season game.

    Otherwise, you might start thinking your Utes are "equal" to my Bruins--who smashed the AZ team that annihilated U.

    I expect that some on this board will equate a BYU loss vs Oregon tomorrow with the savaging the U took last night. I would hope that won't happen, but casual observation suggests that some of the "crimson crazies" will not be moved. It is a good thing to support one's team through thick and thin, but a slice of realism is also required.

  • The Anti Chris Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 11:59 a.m.

    CB,
    What you reap, so shall you sow.
    How do you like your crow? I cannot think of a better ending to the season for the utes and a even better ending of ruthless comments directed at the Cougars and the LDS Church.

    I am not going to be so arrogant as to say that beating Oregon will be easy. People that know basketball should know better, which is why you have such wild predictions.

    I do think however that BYU has a very good chance if Carlino and Haws play up to their poitential and the bigs hold their own.

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    March 19, 2014 11:54 a.m.

    Chris B,
    Pride Goethe before the fall!!! How do you and the rest of the BYU haters feel about cupcakes and the WCC and the whole high school gym thing now?

    Go Cougs beat the Ducks!!! Rise Up!!!

  • BYUGuy sandy, UT
    March 19, 2014 11:47 a.m.

    Further proof utes are ignorantly arrogant... they lost to team ranked 4 in the wcc.. shooting 30% for the first 3/4 of the game with one senior recovering from pneumonia and the other fouled out for the last five minutes of the game... probably the worst smc has played in a long while and you STILL couldn't beat them. Could not be happier about the outcome enjoy your off season

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    March 19, 2014 11:46 a.m.

    "ute T-shirts for the 2014-15 season: [gym] Size Matters!"

    Excellent!

  • Utah Valley Guy Springville, UT
    March 19, 2014 11:46 a.m.

    Reading the string of comments from Chris B has brought me the best laughs I can remember. Thanks Chris B!

  • Utah, We want our money back PAC Country, CA
    March 19, 2014 11:33 a.m.

    WOW is about all I can say. I thought SMC would win by more. The utes made the PAC proud last nigh. SMC is much better than anyone gives them credit for and u just found out what it is like to play is the WCC. If the utes were in the WCC they would be about 7th in the conference.
    I am guessing that there is a lot of head scratching on the hill and much regret for not challenging their players more in the preseason.
    The CROW has landed on the hill and has made the nest so that there will be plenty of crow for the long off-season.
    I am guessing that everyone will be saying, "wait until next year". How many times do we have to hear it before we turn it off.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    March 19, 2014 11:30 a.m.

    The only sad part is - we will never know if utah would have been the 5th best team in the WCC or the last place team in the WCC. After last night, I suspect they would have been somewhere near the bottom end. Just from the fact they have proven they cannot hang for the full 40 minutes. I have an idea - utah needs to schedule some "cupcake" teams from the West Coast Conference in their 2014 pre-season "cupcake schedule".

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    March 19, 2014 11:29 a.m.

    I've lived in the East and have seen teams with small gyms and great reputations. Georgetown. St Josephs, Loyola of Chicago, Temple, Creighton, St John's, Butler, et al. Absent UCLA and Arizona, no Pac-12 team has ever been perennially good. It is a football conference. I never went to Washington basketball games. Nobody cared. Seattle U had more fans.

    BYU found out the hard way how tough the WCC actually is. I think it is tougher than the Mtn was.

    Its fun for Utah fans to gloat to BYU fans about their PAC-12 affiliation, but playing home and home against the WCC teams has showed us how tough it is to win there. Those teams are tough and play very hard. They always have a couple of teams in the NCAA and Gonzaga is certainly one of the nation's best teams year in and year out.

    The WCC is NOT a cupcake league. BYU found that out, and now Utah has too.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    March 19, 2014 11:26 a.m.

    @rlsintx
    "It was great to see the WCC team come back and derail Utah. Never, never underestimate your opponent. I'm going out to buy some cupcakes for the office."

    Just don't make the same mistake the utes made and go on the road for those cupcakes or it will end in disaster for you as well. Lol!

  • byu_realistic Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 11:24 a.m.

    @Dave Matthews, @Spokane Ute

    "It's amazing how much angst Chris B has created. The sooner BYU fans consider the source, and take his comments with a grain of salt the better. One fan's opinion certainly doesn't represent a fan base. For either program."

    "I agree on this comment 100%. I used to like the Utes. My Dad graduated from there. But Chris B and a small handful of other Ute fans has turned me against them to where I believe Max Hall was right. You always have to respect your opponent even though you don't respect their fans. For both sides one or two arrogant fans can make the whole fan base look stupid."

    I also agree with both of you. I respect the Utes and their program. I have seen Chris B. make thoughtful comments in the Faith section of the D-News; but, if I select an appropriate suite of adjectives to describe the quality of his posts on articles regarding Utah or BYU, my post will likely be denied.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    March 19, 2014 11:20 a.m.

    Whew...good thing the utes are in the Pac12 and not the WCC. St Mary's is only our 4th best team. Judging by how they got dominated the last 10 minutes of the game, the utes would likely be a bottom tier program in the WCC just like they are in the Pac12.

    Maybe the NIT was not a good fit for the utes and the CIT or CBI would've been a better option.

  • Area 52 Tooele, UT
    March 19, 2014 11:09 a.m.

    @Spokane Ute

    The reason so much angst towards Chris B. is because he goes too far. It’s not just about Utes vs. Cougars but about Non-LDS vs LDS. I’ve read plenty of his posts on other articles and it's like he has some quarrel against the LDS church and its people. Hopefully, one day the rivalry will be just about sports and not religion.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    March 19, 2014 11:07 a.m.

    @Weberstate - I'm sorry if reality hurts. I said that the Pac 12 and smaller conferences like the Big sky are miles apart. Your tried suggesting otherwise, and yet you don't think your team will win tomorrow. I agree they wont. But if the two conferences aren't miles apart then wouldn't Weber at least stand a decent chance at beating Arizona? After all, they're both the best in their conferences. By saying you don't think Weber will win shows you think there is such a low chance they win - which is indicative of the conferences being very far apart in quality. And like I said, if reality hurts - sorry. But I'll keep bringing people back to reality.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 19, 2014 11:02 a.m.

    2 things about Chris B., he's an unwavering Ute optimist and he obviously hits close to home with his comments under both Utah and byu articles. Props to him. And Go Utes!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    March 19, 2014 11:02 a.m.

    Joe Schmoe
    Orem, UT said:

    "LOL. Utah playing its post season in a high school gym. SMC doesn't seem to want to be there.

    Not saying much when the 4th place WCC teams gets a higher seed than the pac12 team."

    LOL. BYU plays all of it's WCC road games in small gyms.

    Not saying much when BYU also loses games on the road as well. And has lost at home to schools that play in small gyms.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 19, 2014 10:51 a.m.

    @DraperUteFan

    Cool enough and fair enough. They deserved to be in the NIT, but certainly didn't play like it in the second half. Very dissapointing indeed. Have a good one Guy!

    @DaveMathews

    Yep, that's just the way it is. For every Chris B out there, there a worf or some one who enjoys hunting water fowl. I'm trying to ignore the extremes and talk sports and on topic with the rational, sports educated folks on these boards. Take Care!

  • UtesFan33 South Jordan, UT
    March 19, 2014 10:50 a.m.

    Huge Ute fan here. The Utes 2 top players have "no-showed" the last 2 games. Wright and Loveridge looked lost and didn't know that it was their responsibility to put their team on their back. Young or not, they played with no sense of urgency and did not step up at all. You want to be a leader, you have to show it. Coach Krystkowiak has done a fantastic job all year long, but when you have a bunch of arrogant and cocky young players that think a 9 point lead is safe on the road and decide not execute the offense, you're dead wrong. These players need to be humbled over the summer and off-season. No GUTS, No GLORY. I hope the 2 Freshman coming in make a huge impact next year (Kuzma & Chapman). And we better get back-up PG or starting PG. Taylor is too small, but love the kids heart. Maybe next year, but this team needs LOTS of improvement.

  • JCBYU West Jordan, UT
    March 19, 2014 10:44 a.m.

    Chris B,

    You make it too easy for us BYU fans.haha

    All BYU fans have heard all season is Pac12, Mid-major, high school gym, etc.

    BYU on a down year last year went to the NIT Final Four.
    BYU on a down year this year is a 10 seed in the NCAA tournament.

    Utah on an up year was a one and done in the NIT against a "mid-major" in a "high school gym."

    I think I might buy a lifted truck and put a big WCC sticker on the back just to show everyone what conference my team is affiliated with.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    March 19, 2014 10:40 a.m.

    I will say that I picked this one. LOL.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    March 19, 2014 10:40 a.m.

    It was great to see the WCC team come back and derail Utah. Never, never underestimate your opponent. I'm going out to buy some cupcakes for the office.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 19, 2014 10:25 a.m.

    oddman

    "WE talk about the size of the gyms but hasn't anyone remembered the size of the playing surface is identical whether playing in Podunksville or Madison Square Garden. The foul line is the same distance, the three point line is the same etc. The difference is the number of fans who the place can accommodate (sic), but that matters little if only a handful of fans show up."

    I'm having flashbacks from Hoosiers!

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 10:20 a.m.

    ute T-shirts for the 2014-15 season: [gym] Size Matters!

  • Ray E. LITTLETON, CO
    March 19, 2014 10:10 a.m.

    Hey Utes, welcome to the WCC! :)

  • oddman ,
    March 19, 2014 10:09 a.m.

    WE talk about the size of the gyms but hasn't anyone remembered the size of the playing surface is identical whether playing in Podunksville or Madison Square Garden. The foul line is the same distance, the three point line is the same etc. The difference is the number of fans who the place can accomodate, but that matters little if only a handful of fans show up.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 10:07 a.m.

    ekute
    Layton, UT
    "Dear Saint Marys,
    Utes Basketball and it's fans are nothing like byu."

    Let me finish it for you ek:

    They can actually beat you occasionally in your gym.

    Oh, and they respect you and your program.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 19, 2014 10:06 a.m.

    Spokane, they may have deserved it, but perhaps I'm wishing they hadn't made it in to lay the egg they did. St. Marys is well coached and played hard, but the talent on that team, even by their standards, was down this year. The Utes looked lost the last 8 minutes of the game.

    The Utes fell apart in the AZ game and clearly never psychologically recovered. The only way the NIT helps a team is if they win and keep practicing. This loss may hurt more than help this young and fragile group.

    I always enjoy your posts! Glad to see some thoughtful and reasonable posts.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 19, 2014 10:05 a.m.

    Spiff,

    "For all you BYU Homers, which school destroyed the other school earlier this year? SCOREBOARD!"

    Which team is playing in the NCAA tournament and which team just got beat by a "cupcake team in a high school gym"? This goes to prove that the BYU game is the only game that matters to Utah fans. They can lose in the first round of the NIT while BYU goes to the NCAA tournament, yet still think they are the very best because of a win in December on their home court.

    Utah vs. BYU = Utah's bowl/tournament game.

  • SyracuseCoug Syracuse, ut
    March 19, 2014 10:04 a.m.

    Terrible loss by the Utes, not going to rub it in; however, the first page of comments is absolutely priceless. A little advice, I wouldn't start thumping my chest until there's all zeroes on the clock.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 10:03 a.m.

    Chris B
    Salt Lake City, UT
    "The sports world forgets that the WCC even exists because other than Gonzaga no team has really done much in decades."

    Just wanted to remind everybody what the defacto U spokeswoman was quoted as saying just yesterday.

  • Dave Matthews Sammamish, WA
    March 19, 2014 10:02 a.m.

    @Spokane Ute
    "It's amazing how much angst Chris B has created. The sooner BYU fans consider the source, and take his comments with a grain of salt the better. One fan's opinion certainly doesn't represent a fan base. For either program."

    I agree on this comment 100%. I used to like the Utes. My Dad graduated from there. But Chris B and a small handful of other Ute fans has turned me against them to where I believe Max Hall was right. You always have to respect your opponent even though you don't respect their fans. For both sides one or two arrogant fans can make the whole fan base look stupid.

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    March 19, 2014 10:01 a.m.

    @Ken

    We aren't the one's bragging and showing poor sportsmanship against a conference and their schools like you. Weber will most likely lose, but our fans tend not to disrespect our opponents. And like what happened to the Utes last night, perhaps you can learn a valuable lesson about good sportsmanship and respect.

  • Spiff Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    For all you BYU Homers, which school destroyed the other school earlier this year? SCOREBOARD!

    Thanks again Utah for your stupid throw the ball around the perimeter hurl the ball towards the basket to beat the shot clock offense. How do you lose to a team by twelve, when you lead by double digits for most of the game? Better find some offense not just throw the ball around. Most of those turnovers were balls thrown to no one.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 19, 2014 9:57 a.m.

    @DraperUtefan

    Good post but I have to disagee on one point. Utah certainly deserved a NIT bid. There record, rating, ranking, etc. justified that. They played horrible, and laid an egg at the worst possible time; but they certainly belonged in the NIT. It's just unfortunate they played so awful.

    Oh well, here's to Gonzaga making a nice tourney run.

  • AZ Ute Scottsdale, AZ
    March 19, 2014 9:55 a.m.

    Things to work on for next season:

    Lay-ups. All season Delon was the only one who could finish taking it to the rack and even he was pitiful last night, especially the one where he slowed down and tried a dipsy-doodle reverse hoping for an "and 1." In Wright's defense, though, the game-changing call when everything was falling apart was the offensive foul called on him that was clearly a block.

    Turnovers - Looked like Boylen's teams.

    Onwas' foul shooting

    Olsen's defense

    Everyone boxing out - quit giving up so many offensive rebounds

    Schedule - don't schedule any home games in the pre-season. Okay, one or two maybe. The rest road games. If they are serious about humbling themselves and making weak things become strong (Ether 12:27), go play BYU, Weber State, Utah State, UVU, Gonzaga, New Mexico at their places and beg St. Mary's for a pre-season rematch in Moraga.

  • Dave Matthews Sammamish, WA
    March 19, 2014 9:53 a.m.

    @Payito "The cougar fans need to be ready for the onslaught from the utes if they lose to Oregon tomorrow."

    I don't think you will see Cougar fans being so ARROGANT like so many of the Utes were with their pre-game predictions. I think we will respect the Ducks. Without Collingsworth I think it will be a tough game for the Cougs.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    March 19, 2014 9:53 a.m.

    Last two games were embarrassing! Only score 39 at AZ, blow a huge lead to St.Mary's. If teams are sleeping or from DII, Utah can win. Lot of work to do to get to the middle of the PAC 12.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 19, 2014 9:42 a.m.

    @AZ Palm Coug

    Very nicely done; well put. It's nice to see an actual rational comment from a BYU fan, as opposed to the ha ha ha comments.

    It's amazing how much angst Chris B has created. The sooner BYU fans consider the source, and take his comments with a grain of salt the better. One fan's opinion certainly doesn't represent a fan base. For either program.

    I certainly didn't see this loss coming. It reminds me of how Utah played in Pullman. They laid a big fat Egg! This team has a long ways to go; and the pre-season games need to amp up. Overall, the season was all right, and the Utes are heading in the right direction. However, this is a pittiful and painful way to end the season.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    March 19, 2014 9:41 a.m.

    Ken
    Sandy, UT

    "@Weber,
    We'll see how #1 Arizona does against #1 Big Sky Weber wont be?
    After all, shouldn't the #1 big sky team be on par with the #1 pac 12 team?
    Like you say, the conferences aren't that different right?"

    I guess some folks never learn.

    The game still needs to be played. Nick Johnson or Aaron Gordon blowout an ACL, and who knows what the outcome would be.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    March 19, 2014 9:40 a.m.

    Chris B, mark it down right? LOL!

    To the rest of the Ute fans, not an easy road game. Don't blame you for being disappointed for blowing a sizeable advantage but, this is not an awful loss either when looking at the quality of the opponent.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 19, 2014 9:38 a.m.

    AZ Palm Coug, very well said and with tremendous class. This is one Ute fan following the comments this morning and realizing Utah and our fan base deserve every bit of the comments coming our way. They are well deserved for the stupid comments early in the thread and before the game was over by Ute fans. The enjoyment by Cougar fans is well deserved.

    Utah didn't belong and didn't deserve the NIT bid. They improved this year, but clearly the talent, depth, coaching, strength and conditioning, and heart of this team was challenged and found wanting. No excuses at all, they and our fan base deserve the crow we are ingesting this morning.

    Still, nice to see a few classy Cougar fans showing some restraint. A little sugar with salt in the wound never hurt anyone.

  • CougarCat Tucson, AZ
    March 19, 2014 9:38 a.m.

    When I have a hard day or I need to have a laugh I always know I can come to the DesNews sports section and watch the Utes & Cougar fans tear into each other. For some perverse reason I almost always get a laugh from reading these comments. Living down here in AZ where the AZ Wildcats and ASU Sun Devils always go at each other we know what it's like to have a great rivalry. In Southern CA where I grew up we always had USC and UCLA to knock heads with each other. But of all the rivalries I've seen around the land, when it comes to nastiness - there's nothing like Utes and Cougar fans and their constant jabbing at each other. Today's comments are a perfect example of what I'm trying to describe.

    I'm having the best laughs I've had in a good while reading through all of the posts on this article. Keep it up!

  • tyler11385 Springville, UT
    March 19, 2014 9:37 a.m.

    St. Mary's halftime pep talk - just showed his team the comments on this board at halftime

  • tyler11385 Springville, UT
    March 19, 2014 9:36 a.m.

    WOW! Lots of early game talk that went pretty silent...

    The crows were calling his name though Caw

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 9:32 a.m.

    How to choke on a cupcake in ten minutes or less...

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    March 19, 2014 9:29 a.m.

    "We'll see how #1 Arizona does against #1 Big Sky Weber wont be?"

    Well, if the little Wildcats stay within 30 of the big Wildcats, they will have outperformed the Utes. Right?

  • OhioCougar Madison, Ohio
    March 19, 2014 9:25 a.m.

    I wanted the Utes to win, yet wanted Chris B to lose. Just so I could come read these comments. Better luck next year! Go Cougs!!

  • AZ Palm Coug Provo, UT
    March 19, 2014 9:23 a.m.

    I have to keep in mind that there is no relationship between boorish comments posted here by the Ute and Cougar fans blinded by hatred for one another and class athletes at both schools who have to put their game on the floor each time out. The bottom line is St. Marys is a perpetual NCAA Tournament team with a lot of talent and great coaching. There is no shame in losing to them. Utah will be back and get better every year. Cougar posters should save their comments until "after" the Oregon game. It would be the sign of a new enlightened age to have posters comment on the game and not on each other's follies.

    From a loyal Cougar, I offer my sincere congratulations to the remarkable progress Utah has made this season. You are a program on the rise. If we keep a real and healthy perspective, we see only remarkable improvement by hard working athletes, worthy of our praise.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 9:21 a.m.

    Payito, you're missing the BIG difference here - You don't see a single BYU fan disparaging Oregon (reference pre-game comments and in game comments on this article) and I'm guessing you won't see a single BYU fan proclaiming victory in the first few minutes of the game tomorrow.

    You're right, the utah regulars will be right there when BYU likely loses to Oregon, which is all the more ironic considering their team couldn't beat what u 'fans' called a cupcake team from a cupcake conference in a cupcake gym in round 1 of a JV tournament.

    Nice comparison of apples and oranges whem it comes to THIS article though

  • Dave Matthews Sammamish, WA
    March 19, 2014 9:19 a.m.

    Even though these comments are on the first page I think we need to see them again:

    Lifelong Ute
    Salt Lake City, UT
    If we play our "B" game that should be enough to get by an average west coast team. Our "B" game earlier was enough to destroy the second best wcc team.

    Chris B
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Beatdown! Lol.

    The gap between the PAC 12 and wcc is huge!

    Utah 100% record over wcc

    PAC 12 8-2 against the wcc cupcakes.

    UteNationAlum
    Cottonwood Heights, UT
    So this is what it's like to play in the WCC...

    Chris B
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Well, that was pretty easy.

    Utah's domination of the wcc continues.

    Go utes!
    Chris B
    Salt Lake City, UT
    I'm so glad we don't play our whole conference season in tiny high school gyms!

    But if all we cared about was padding our record, this conference would be nice to join.

    No thanks though, I'll stick with our wonderful Pac 12!

    Utah 1.000 record against WCC cupcakes

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    March 19, 2014 9:15 a.m.

    I just love reading chrisb's narrative through the course of the game...

    I wasn't sure that I understood the "one and done" talk that the ute fans had been filling the BYU boards with, but now I think that I get it....

    That was such a great game... So let me see... the utes lose to a fourth place wcc team who's all league Center played less than half the game...

    The utes down hill season really picked up some momentum towards the end didn't it???

    Now that the utes season is in the rearview mirror one can really see how bad it was... 20 wins with 9 of them coming from teams that either weren't even in Division 1 or had RPIs higher than 200 (to match their SOS)... BTW, how did this team even make the NIT?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 19, 2014 9:12 a.m.

    Actually, the PAC 12 made the utes look better than they are.

  • Swim Fan Honeyville, UT
    March 19, 2014 9:07 a.m.

    @ Chris B
    "I admit I didn't see that coming. This would be a bad bad loss to a cupcake team in a cupcake conference."

    In a collision of cupcake teams (your terms not mine) one is bound to lose and look bad in the process. Utah built its record this year on playing cupcakes at the Huntsman Center. Its whole season reflects the fact that it was not prepared to play tough late in games. For all your ballyhoo about how well the Utes have done this year, they consistently lost away from home because they hadn't developed the mental toughness that comes from playing in tight games in difficult venues. Basically, they were mentally soft and late in games this was very clear. They caved and fell apart.

    Good on Saint Marys for having grit and toughness late in the game. Saint Marys played a real schedule in spite of so-called high school facilities they play in. Merely being in the PAC 12 means nothing until you actually compete. Instead of "marking it down" and "LOL", Chris, why not demand that your coach and athletic director schedule games against real competition in the preseason.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 9:04 a.m.

    I'll call it
    Ogden, UT
    "Who do the the Utes play next?"

    For sure it won't be a varsity team, and for sure it won't be away from the dark concrete cavern, and positive it won't be during the 2013-14 season.

  • CA. reader Rocklin, CA
    March 19, 2014 9:03 a.m.

    I have never understood why some of you folks insist on commenting during the course of a game, especially the gloating. Then, once your gloats turn on you, you don't have the gumption to admit you folly. Let the games play out, make appropriate comments and enjoy the outcome if it goes your way.

  • Payito American Fork, UT
    March 19, 2014 9:01 a.m.

    It's just a game and it's so funny to see all the "my dad can beat up your dad" mentality from the utes and cougars. The cougar fans need to be ready for the onslaught from the utes if they lose to Oregon tomorrow. What goes around comes around. It's just a game and doesn't prove anything of real consequence.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 19, 2014 8:58 a.m.

    Hugh G. Hater

    "Crow, party of one, your table is ready."

    That, is hilarious!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 19, 2014 8:58 a.m.

    When you play PAC 12 basketball,--how do you commit so many turn overs, and lose to a cupcake team from a cupcake conference, in a high school gym?

    Pride precedes the fall.

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    March 19, 2014 8:45 a.m.

    Utah played terrific the first 5 minutes. SMC played terrific the final 10 minutes. In-between, a whole lotta ugly by both teams. If either team actually shows up for the full 40 minutes, they blow the other totally off the court. Very poor representation by both the PAC 12 and the WCC, although those last 10 minutes really were impressive.

    Chris B - next time your Utes, or ANY team - ever - in any basketball game ever played in any arena, goes up like the Utes in the first 5 minutes of this game, take a breath and tell yourself "It's a game of runs and spurts. That team is not going to win 120-15 as the current trajectory might indicate." I can't even imagine being so embarrassingly shortsighted as your comments suggest.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    March 19, 2014 8:41 a.m.

    Dang I thought we were more pretegous than that and that we would win Marys and win the NIT.

  • BenMcall Taylorsville, UT
    March 19, 2014 8:40 a.m.

    Utah does have a very nice venue; however, it's about the game. The fact that my house is nicer than yours, doesn't show up on the scoreboard.

  • G-Day-M8 WVC, UT
    March 19, 2014 8:40 a.m.

    Deseret news, your censorship and selective enforcement of your own rules is sickening.

    Laughing out loud, laughing quietly, laughing hysterically, just smiling, shaking my head, thinking of the comments, high school gyms, empty seats, broken egos, little yellow emotion-cons, lost leads, late surges, red & black cupcakes, blowouts, laughing hysterically again.

    Very nice win for the Gaels and the WCC!

  • RealBlue Holladay, UT
    March 19, 2014 8:37 a.m.

    Chris B

    "The gap between the PAC 12 and wcc is huge!"

    The question is, what PAC are the utes a part of? Since they can't beat a little old wcc team.

  • shottaker MIDWAY, UT
    March 19, 2014 8:35 a.m.

    Saint Mary's just became my new favorite team in the WCC after the Cougs.

    Go Gaels!

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 19, 2014 8:32 a.m.

    Sorry I haven't posted yet. I had to pick myself up off the floor from laughing. Nice 20+ point win Utah! Next up...

  • shottaker MIDWAY, UT
    March 19, 2014 8:30 a.m.

    NO bowl game - again.

    NO NCAA tourney invite - again.

    One and DONE in the NIT.

    LOL!

  • 2020 Herriman, UT
    March 19, 2014 8:26 a.m.

    It is embarrassing to lose to a WCC team, even on the road in their high school gym. What gets me by reading these posts is that I wonder if BYU fan remembers that BYU and Utah did play this year, and Utah won handily?

  • Robroy Murray, utah
    March 19, 2014 8:26 a.m.

    Downright hilarious. The mighty utes spanked hard by the 4th place team in the WCC. Absolutely hilarious. Thank goodness the Gaels were asleep for the first half or it would have been Arizona all over again. Really funny. No heart whatsoever.

  • EPoint Roy, UT
    March 19, 2014 8:25 a.m.

    Lesson both Utah and BYU fans and players don't seem to have learned: Pride goeth before the fall.

  • Hugh G. Hater Swat Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 8:15 a.m.

    So if a team loses to a cupcake team, what does that say about them?

    Crow, party of one, your table is ready.

    At least ute fans have the Idaho State football game to look forward to in the fall.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    March 19, 2014 8:12 a.m.

    Now the dust has settled and the cupcakes have been eliminated in the NIT, let's get on to the BIG DANCE!!

  • Archer of Paradise Oklahoma City, OK
    March 19, 2014 8:10 a.m.

    I'm not a Ute fan but I am smart enough to know that BYU and Utah have depended on each other to improve over several decades in several sports. It's nice to see Utah playing respectable basketball again but it is admittedly difficult to cheer them on with BYU trolls' constant reminder of how "dominant" the mediocre (albeit improving) Utes are. It's interesting to see the lack of respect St. Mary's gets. They have a much more respectable short-term history than Utah and great players. Utah lost the game because they are not as good of a team and they're not coached as well. Most Ute fans who wish to excuse the Utes for a "poor performance" would struggle to name a single Gael's player.

    Best of luck to the Utes next year. They will have a hard time nabbing another win from BYU in Provo.

  • cal cougar camarillo, CA
    March 19, 2014 8:05 a.m.

    What is the success rate of Saint Mary's college of getting into tournaments and secondly winning in tournaments in the last 10 yeaars? It may be better than BYU and definitely better than Utah.

    Saint Mary's is a first class program in any thinking person's book. BYU of all people know this. They couldn't beat them till this year.

    Congrats to St Mary's and no disgrace to the Utes for losing the away game.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    March 19, 2014 8:02 a.m.

    I guess the big boys who really know Bball and assign teams to the big dance or to the NIT know what they are talking about. A little word called Respect comes to mind. Not much respect for u when it comes to Bball or football. Just look at the way the u is ranked or (not) selected for bowls and tourneys. U must admit that there is very little respect. History plays a big part of it and BYU has the wins and respect and the u doesn't..

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    March 19, 2014 8:02 a.m.

    One and Done - in the NIT. Priceless.....

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    March 19, 2014 8:00 a.m.

    Hey Utes, was that high school gym too loud for a mighty Pac-12 program. This calls for a new sticker.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    March 19, 2014 7:59 a.m.

    I, like many of the Cougar fans, have no ill will towards Utah's coach and players. It's a tough loss to swallow, especially when they had a 10 point lead with so little time left. It's devastating to lose a game like that at the end when you had led the whole time.

    However, for certain Ute "fans" who post comments here? I'm laughing. It definitely serves you right. You've been denigrating the Division I basketball teams in the WCC all season long. Now you have a huge plate of crow to feast on. Will you learn from this? Will you stop belittling teams? Will you stop insulting the "high school gyms"? (By the way, smaller arenas often are considered some of the toughest places to play on the road.) I would like to think you've learned some humility. However, I won't hold my breath.

  • Archibald SLC, UT
    March 19, 2014 7:57 a.m.

    Who knew that cupcakes posed a serious choking hazard when in a high school gym?

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    March 19, 2014 7:52 a.m.

    I have mixed feelings about this. I feel bad for coach K and the players...they had a fine season of progress. I expect them to be in the big dance next year. I admit to a slight smile as I read the comments of some of the Utes on this article.

    Go Utes! (the coach and the team, anyway).

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    March 19, 2014 7:46 a.m.

    Great Ute!

    Nice comment. I won't rub it in.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 7:41 a.m.

    Ken
    Sandy, UT
    "I'd rather lose by 50 to a real team from a real conference than lose by 1 to these high school teams"

    Today's your lucky day Ken! You've done both, in the past week. Congrats. All your dreams have now come true.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    March 19, 2014 7:41 a.m.

    I am glad I went to bed while the Utes held a ten point lead.

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    March 19, 2014 7:37 a.m.

    Here is Ken ragging on the Weber State Wildcats…

    "This game will be another demonstration of just how far apart conferences like the Pac 12 are from smaller insignificant conferences. Fans of these small schools like to believe they aren't much different or that the quality of play isn't that great. Truth is, the gap is huge."

    Well Ken, this is what happens when a team from a smaller insignificant conference plays a cupcake team from the Pac 12...the quality of play isn't that great. The reality is there must not be a significant gap between the minor and major conferences.

    He who brags too much always put foot in mouth.

  • Ken Lee Pasadena, CA
    March 19, 2014 7:35 a.m.

    I'm confused…which team was the cupcake team from a cupcake conference? I wonder if you'll be strutting and bragging all next year too? PAC12 athletes, blah blah blah….Cash your check and go home, you're in the PAC12 now and performing as expected.

    Go cougs…take it to Oregon...

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 7:28 a.m.

    The ironies are numerous, and all of them are just laugh out loud funny. From the first page of comments here, to the high school gym and WCC comments all season, to the last two games for the little u, both on national TV and both utter embarrassments. Maybe some folks should reserve their comments until AFTER they're able to beat a middle of the road WCC team in a high school gym, in a JV tournament.

    How many u trolls were wishing the DesNews had an 'oops can I please delete that comment' button after yet another spanking last night?

    If crimson bubble 'fans' learned anything this season it should have been to NEVER bet on the little u outside of the dark concrete cavern. At least PAC-12 journalists are relieved that they no longer have to keep trying to put lipstick on a pig. They had to be shaking their heads as they tried to tout little u's record this season, while at the same time knowing where and against who almost all of those wins came from.

  • TheJackalope Provo, UT
    March 19, 2014 7:17 a.m.

    All that "cupcake" talk got egg all over your face.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 19, 2014 7:15 a.m.

    @ Uteology

    Spot on as usual. What a pittiful way to end the season.

  • BlameItOnTheOfficials Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 19, 2014 7:14 a.m.

    Who told me this would be an easy win? Who said that a PAC12 team would just walk all over a WCC team? Once again my Utes have been seated at the table and made to eat crow.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    March 19, 2014 7:13 a.m.

    I feel bad for the team. I really, really do. They've made up a lot of ground in the past two seasons and coach K has this team moving in the right direction.

    But I do hope many Ute fans will save this thread, and refer often to the early posts. So many lessons to be learned there...

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    March 19, 2014 7:11 a.m.

    pac 12 meets WCC - pac 12 failed.

  • Black & White SLC, UT
    March 19, 2014 7:06 a.m.

    Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark on people's egos and NIT brackets.

    So much for not listening to a Cougars advice (previous article). Looks like the NIT committee got this one right.

    So, who's fault is this: the referees, injuries, can't play in a small gym, can't play in front of a small crowd, already had eyes on Madison Square Garden?

    It appears that the Utes win over BYU, who beat St. Mary's twice this year, was truly an anomoly.

    @CB, so much for "B" games, and gaining experience as you're getting schooled in a "Power Conference". If the WCC is a cupcake conference, and St. Mary's is a cupcake team, does that now make the Utes a bunch of Creampuffs or would they be "Power"puffs?

    Looking forward to next season already.

  • Lewis from the East Orem, UT
    March 19, 2014 7:04 a.m.

    Wow do all Utah teams crumble in the second half of a season?

  • Area 52 Tooele, UT
    March 19, 2014 6:58 a.m.

    @Chris B

    This cupcake team and cupcake conference just beat your Prestigious PAC 10.2 team LOL. Once again Chris B. you are dead wrong about the WCC and the teams BYU plays. Seriously, you should ask some of the players on Utah how they could lose to a so called “cupcake” team. They might actually tell you it’s probably harder to play in a packed high school gym than in an empty college arena. Why do think Camden Indoor Stadium is such a hard place for visiting teams to play in? When you have packed fans so close to the court cheering and screaming in such a small venue you can’t even hear yourself think. This atmosphere is the same for the WCC teams. So in essence because BYU beat SMU twice this year and Utah lost to SMU does that make BYU better than Utah? At least we know who the better team was tonight… SMU for sure.

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    March 19, 2014 6:48 a.m.

    To read the beginning of this thread of comments make me laugh. It is so typical of Ute fans!

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    March 19, 2014 6:47 a.m.

    Nice try, Utes. You played tough for the first 30 minutes or so, but then your true road colors showed through. Losing to a "cupcake team in a cupcake conference" must be a tough way to have your season end, especially when you were so confident that it would continue.

    Better luck next year.

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    March 19, 2014 6:39 a.m.

    So, on their home floor, the Utes give a pretty sound thrashing to the #2 WCC team, but then lose by twelve to the WCC #4 team on the road. Just venturing a guess, but I think the Utes would not have been any more impressive in the WCC this year than they were in the PAC12

  • utesgoingdownthehill Salt Lake City , UT
    March 19, 2014 6:36 a.m.

    Oh my goodness, what a choke job. After all wcc is not as easy as Utah fans thought. This loss was necessary for utah fans cockiness. Overall great season, look forward to watching utah next year.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 6:30 a.m.

    @ Chris B
    Too bad the utes can't be competitive in a "cupcake conference". It looks like the basketball team is following the example of the football team. Well, theres always next year.

  • utahby6 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 19, 2014 6:30 a.m.

    Amazing... that so many Ute loudmouths would go off on the WCC before the game was over. Clearly we were "lucky" when we beat BYU at home. This is one Ute fan that admits that when we play BYU we act like it is our game of the year. Cupcake early schedule, at the end of the season the Utes prove how far the basketball team has progressed - not enough to matter. Congrats to the WCC. Gym size doesn't matter if you can't win.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    March 19, 2014 6:26 a.m.

    Lol
    1and done in the juniors tournament.
    So Utah would be fifth place in the wcc.

  • sixpacktr Murfreesboro, TN
    March 19, 2014 6:04 a.m.

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Welcome to playing in the WCC Utes!!!! Will you have salsa with your crow or just eat it plain??

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    March 19, 2014 5:41 a.m.

    Welcome to the WCC. Looks like U would have finished in the lower part of the WCC also.

  • Balan South Jordan, Utah
    March 19, 2014 5:41 a.m.

    Welcome to the WCC Utes! Hilarious! PAC 11.1 not as mighty as Utes like to think. Hey, but now you can cheer on the rest of your conference, you know, the contenders not the pretenders! Pull out those PAC 12 banners Utes because that is truly all you have left!

  • Mr. Caveman Omaha, NE
    March 19, 2014 5:17 a.m.

    Love all the comments dissing the opponent then getting killed by then to end the game. Priceless. If St. Mary's is a cupcake that makes Utah laughy taffy. Should have been invited to CBI.

  • Adirondack Cougar Loon Lake, NY
    March 19, 2014 4:59 a.m.

    Unfortunately I think the Utah team had the same thoughts as most of the above posters. This was a winnable game, but another study in the psychological part of the game. I think this goes a long way to explain the BYU at Utah game this year. They saw you playing weaker opponents and thought, 'this will be easy'. Not so much. Easy to explain but not so easy to fix. That is why they play the game.

  • bslack Draper, UT
    March 19, 2014 4:38 a.m.

    Actually, Chris B did see this coming with all his predictions and rants. The streak is alive as you're call was wrong again.

    Utes should have won, but didn't play well the last 10 minutes of the game.

  • Lifelong Republican Orem, UT
    March 19, 2014 2:23 a.m.

    Didn't realize that Utah is 2-9 in the last five years agains WCC teams.

    Wow.

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    March 19, 2014 2:18 a.m.

    Utah's season was just a shell game. Smoke and mirrors. 10 of the 21 wins were against these teams:
    Evergreen State, UC Davis, Grand Canyon, Lamar, Savannah State, Ball State, Fresno, Idaho State, Texas State, St Katherine.

    And some people on here were thinking Utah deserved to go to the big dance.

    Wow.

  • Lifelong Republican Orem, UT
    March 19, 2014 2:14 a.m.

    The mighty WCC shows how to get it done. That is a prestigious conference that is showing how to play basketball. Onward and upward.

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    March 19, 2014 2:11 a.m.

    Hilarious stuff! These first few comments are pure comedy gold. I seriously thought Utah had this one in the bag at half time so I turned it off. Then I see CB commenting about how easy his prestigious conference has it against the WCC in their high school gyms and I knew it was cursed.

    LOL.

    I guess that #5 seed for the pac12 was right on the money against the 4th place team of the mighty WCC.

    Sad way to end the season. I thought coach K had the team heading in the right direction. Maybe a few actual road games in the preseason against real teams might help the team.

  • agb Layton, UT
    March 19, 2014 1:46 a.m.

    Looks like the pressure of playing in a "high school gym" on a week night in an obscure time slot was too much for the Utes to handle.

    Keep your chin up ute fans 1998 will get here soon.

  • Bastiatarian TUCSON, AZ
    March 19, 2014 1:36 a.m.

    @Chris B

    >I admit I didn't see that coming.

    Those of us who have watched both Utah and St. Mary's play throughout this season certainly did.

  • Bastiatarian TUCSON, AZ
    March 19, 2014 1:29 a.m.

    @Chris B

    >But if all we cared about was padding our record, this conference would be nice to join.

    Utah already did the whole padding the record thing this season before conference play even started. You're new to the conference so you might not know this, but playing a full slate of home games against schools that can't even get their logos displayed in the box scores on the ESPN website doesn't really prepare a team to compete consistently against teams like Arizona.

    Or St. Mary's College, it seems.

  • No Illusions Midvale, UT
    March 19, 2014 1:22 a.m.

    Chris, That Cupcake team in a Cupcake league just sent the Mighty Utes from the mighty PAC 10+U home. Guess Utah couldn't even hang with a team from the WCC, just like they couldn't hang in the MWC. Think of it this way, had the Utes actually played a real preseason schedule they wouldn't have been invited at all. And had they not played half their Pac 10+U at home, how many games would they have won?

    Moral of the Story, Chris B needs to keep quiet on his BYU Bashing. They made the Big dance on their strength of schedule. Did U?

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    March 19, 2014 1:12 a.m.

    Chris B--- Do you see? This is why you should be respectful ALL the time. You never know when you'll have to eat your words. How'd you like the HS gym and the lowly WCC Gaels who were swept by BYU this year? Not a bad team, huh? I'm predicting my Coug's will suffer a loss to Oregon, especially without Collingsworth. That's okay, we already played them to OT this season and have full respect for them. BTW-- Your Utes should continue to improve next season so chin up, big guy. We can all learn and improve in the future.

  • OC Fan Orange County, CA
    March 19, 2014 12:33 a.m.

    So Utah can't compete in the WCC?

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    March 19, 2014 12:19 a.m.

    Great season and a great step this year in the progress of the program.

    I'm surprised at how soft this team is, given that coach K was such a hard nose, grind it out player. It hasn't sunk in with this team yet, but I think it will.

    Utah definitely had the better athletes, better shooters, and was a deeper team, but St. Mary's was much tougher. They responded to the adversity and worked harder where Utah wilted, again. Congrats to the Gaels, and congrats to the Utes for strides they've made rebuilding. I look forward to my beloved Utes continuing to improve.

    Go Utes!!

  • Barnbug1 SPANISH FORK, UT
    March 19, 2014 12:18 a.m.

    @Chris

    Conference has nothing to do with it. It's Utah vs Saint Mary's. Conferences don't play games, teams play games and your team lost. Your team is a long ways from Saint Mary's being a bad loss.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    March 19, 2014 12:18 a.m.

    The WCC may not be the PAC 12, but when a PAC 12 team goes into a game against a school like Saint Mary's thinking it will be a cake walk, guess what happens?

    The WCC had four strong teams this year with two playing in the NCAA tourney and two going to the NIT. I hope other WCC teams continue to improve in upcoming seasons. In the past, schools like Loyola Marymount and Pepperdine have shown they can be competitive. Already looking forward to next season.

    As for the Utes, they had a great season and I'm sure we'll see more of the same next season.

    I admire you Ute fans who have stuck by your team during the rough years since Majerus left. Looks like your Coach K at last has them going in the right direction.

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    March 19, 2014 12:13 a.m.

    The Ute's "away game jinx" continues! Even on the road I thought they would beat them as it really is a down year for St. Mary's.

    While Utah should be proud of their upward trend in the last couple of years they have given up too many away games and too many times run out of steam towards the end of games. Something to work on improving for the coming season, if the Utes can continue to improve at the same rate as the last couple of years they will be in the NCAA tournament next year. Go Utes!

  • Max-was-right springville, UT
    March 19, 2014 12:10 a.m.

    ha ha ha, now the utes know how the rest of the pac ten teams feel when you go on the road and play in those happy meal stadiums like RES!!!!

    Funny that utie fans are talking stadium size smack when they play in RES...

    Fitting way for this overachieving little basketball team to end.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    March 19, 2014 12:09 a.m.

    We're just not used to playing in high school gyms.

  • micawber Centerville, UT
    March 19, 2014 12:10 a.m.

    Didn't anybody ever teach Ute fans not to jinx the team in the first half?

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    March 19, 2014 12:01 a.m.

    A disappointing game, but overall a lot of improvement this season by the team. I hope Jordan Loveridge shows up next year after taking this year off. At this rate, he's riding the bench next year.

  • Paul B. South Jordan, UT
    March 19, 2014 12:01 a.m.

    As a bone-deep Cougar I congratulate Larry K. on a great season and a very impressive job of rebuilding a once-proud Ute hoops program. It would have been nice to have a better end to an encouraging season - but if this will keep a few Ute trolls from soiling the Cougar comment pages for a while, I count a 12 point flop to a WCC cupcake as a welcome break!

  • FuzzyLogic VACAVILLE, CA
    March 18, 2014 11:59 p.m.

    Doh! Utes don't seem to have much support in the bay area as only 1,335 seats were filled unlike when the Cougs played and all 3,500 seats were filled. That's not too surprising though since only 3,217 out of over 10K capacity came to see the Utes play USC and similarly at WSU where only 2,375 out of over 11K seats were filled. Didn't look like Saint Mary's was too interested in playing the Utes until late in the 2nd half.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 18, 2014 11:54 p.m.

    Utes are the cupcakes.

    Double digit loss to the fourth place WCC team.

    No bowl game, and now this?

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:50 p.m.

    Chris B
    Salt Lake City, UT

    I'm so glad we don't play our whole conference season in tiny high school gyms!

    But if all we cared about was padding our record, this conference would be nice to join.

    No thanks though, I'll stick with our wonderful Pac 12!

    Utah 1.000 record against WCC cupcakes! Well chris that cupcake just handed the utes their behinds thats what happens when you open your mouth and insert your foot

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    March 18, 2014 11:49 p.m.

    Chris B
    Salt Lake City, UT

    "We went from up 10 to down 10 in 5 minutes." You certainly did.

    "I admit I didn't see that coming." You were too prideful about the "prestegeous" PAC-12.

    "This would be a bad bad loss to a cupcake team in a cupcake conference." After watching the entire game, one must admit that it was a season-ending bad loss. But cupcakes? Not so much.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:48 p.m.

    @ Joe Schmoe:

    Doesn't say much for Utah when the 4th place WCC team can beat them... in a "high school gym" no less. LOL.

    @ I'll Call It:

    Actually, you don't play anyone next. You're one and done in the NIT... before the real post-season tournament even starts. Now we all know why Utah didn't get an NCAA invite.

    @ Chris:

    Yes, Chris. You should stick with the pac12... because you guys can't even beat the average WCC team when playing away from home. LOL! So much for the "prestige" of the wonderful PAC12.
    LOL again.

  • TheJackalope Provo, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:47 p.m.

    All that "cupcake" talk just got egg all over your face.

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    March 18, 2014 11:47 p.m.

    @ Chris B

    "I admit I didn't see that coming"

    There is a lot you don't see coming. You sure have a history of that. Next time wait until the game is over to spare yourself of embarrassment. It's a 40 minute game and team has to play 40 minutes to win.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    March 18, 2014 11:44 p.m.

    Chris B

    "Well, that was pretty easy. Utah's domination of the wcc continues."
    "Go [HOME] utes!"

    It did not look that easy in the high school gym, and the rest of us do not know what you mean by the word domination. Losing by 12 is not domination in my book.

    Welcome Utah of the PAthetiC-10.2. You lost to the fourth place team in the WCC. Ya'll now know what the WCC is?

    You might want to let the eggs hatch before counting the chicks.

  • Juxtaposed West Jordan , UT
    March 18, 2014 11:43 p.m.

    Why is it necessary to cheap shot a team and a conference instead of giving them the kudos they deserve? If you are critical, then acknowlege your own team's faults as well. I'm a BYU fan but I don't expect them to win later this week. There's simply not enough talent on the roster right now. It's really not hard to do. Utah's improved a lot this year and I expect that to continue. With that being said they're also inconsistant on the road. Personally, I'm interested to see how well the Chapman kid plays next year.

  • IA Cougar West Des Moines, IA
    March 18, 2014 11:41 p.m.

    Well, I guess Utah found out what it was like to step out of the mighty Pac12 and play in the high school gyms of the WCC. 12 point loss against a team BYU beat twice...home and on the road. Any team on any night. You can't play with your B game anywhere can you? I would actually like to wish the Utes well and 95% of their fan base. But I hate to say that it's the 5% that make me feel like commenting on a Utah loss.

    I will say that Utah improved tremendously once they got out of their preseason home schedule and played in conference. Young teams struggle finishing and they proved it tonight. Next year will be a much stronger year for Utah and I wish them well.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:41 p.m.

    @ I'll Call IT...in answer to your question, whoever their first preseason opponent is NEXT year.

  • CBAX Provo, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:39 p.m.

    This is bad. Obviously the prestigious pac12 utes just didn't want to be there.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:38 p.m.

    Terrible and frustrating end to the season. Hope this team figures it out

  • But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:37 p.m.

    18 field goals and 21 turn overs. I guess you showed the lowly WCC Gaels how the pac plays b-ball. Fickle u fans sure changed their tune as the crunch time kicked in.

  • goodDr. sandy, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:36 p.m.

    Great season coach K and Utes. You improved immensely. It is great to see a coach have a positive influence over a team. Now if you could do the same for your fan base. Very arrogant and condescending. Talking about another teams gym or their conference can really come back to bite you. Best of luck next season. Improve your road record and you will be in the big dance for sure.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:35 p.m.

    I'd rather lose by 50 to a real team from a real conference than lose by 1 to these high school teams. Simply pathetic. I'm disgusted the guys let this one away.

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:35 p.m.

    Love the beginning of this thread with the arrogant fans and then it all went...ha, ha, ha, thumb which was me laughing my head off.

    Let's see. Season ends with BYU playing a PAC 12 team and the Utes playing a WCC team BYU beat twice. Oh the fall of the arrogant.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:34 p.m.

    @ Chris B:

    How long is it going to take for you and other ultra-Ute commenters on this post to reverse yourselves and actually get your feet out of your mouths. Wow! Can't even beat the 4th place team from the WCC. Absolutely amazing.

    There seem be be lots of things you "haven't seen coming" lately. Might be time to take off those rose colored glasses to see what the real sports world actually looks like.

  • Alpine Coug Alpine, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:31 p.m.

    Absolutely stunned by this amazing turn of events. How can a mediocre (ok, a cupcake) team from a mediocre (ok, cupcake) conference come from behind to beat the mighty Utes from the prestigious Conference of Champions? This must rank up there with the greatest post-season upsets of all time if we listen to some of our local commentators. Such an embarrassment to lose to such a lowly team in a tiny WCC gym. Especially after so many bold and foolish predictions all season long. Wow!!

  • Roller Mills Lehi, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:29 p.m.

    Utes,

    Welcome to the WCC! This isn't Cal or Washington. This is another road loss for U.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:29 p.m.

    I love high school gyms.

    That was an ugly game. 20 turnovers, a blown lead, you name it, it happened in this game.

    LOL at all of the puffed up comments from fans that thought this game was in the bag at half time.

    And nothing is more entertaining than seeing an arrogant bunch of "fans" collectively going into the fetal position.

    I love my WCC membership!

  • Flyer St. George, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:27 p.m.

    Ouch! Maybe the Utes would have matched up better in either the CBI or CIT post season tournaments? How can a mid-level team from a power conference such as the PAC-12 lose to some scrub team from the lowly WCC?

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:27 p.m.

    We deserve better than this.

    Coach K - you've done well but this was unacceptable. Get the job done or we'll find someone who will. We deserve to have a team that is winning games in the tournament and 3 years is enough time to win a game in the NIT.

    Go utes

  • Ute buster Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:27 p.m.

    Minutes into then game and u fans already blaming the refs. LOL

  • I Bleed Blue Las Vegas, NV
    March 18, 2014 11:27 p.m.

    Wow! I guess Utah would have finished fourth or fifth in the WCC. Didn't BYU beat St. Mary's twice?

  • Braineater000 ALPINE, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:26 p.m.

    Easy win against a cupcake team for Saint Mary's.

  • General Alpine, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:26 p.m.

    Have to love the aggressive fans claiming a victory here becoming strangely silent toward the end of the game.

  • Yankees24 SLC, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:26 p.m.

    Once again Utah fans are caught with their foot in their mouth. Utah didn't care about this game right??

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    March 18, 2014 11:25 p.m.

    Utah's all PAC 12 first teamer held to 10 points, only 6 from the field, on 3 of 9 shooting. by a team that BYU swept during the season.

    Impressive.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:23 p.m.

    Congrats to the Gaels. They wanted to keep their season going. Let the WCC gloating begin. I'm here and taking my gall. The Utes were awful.

    I've said it all season, Utah lacks toughness, physically and mentally. Delon Wright dribbles the ball too much. Teams are on to him and have watched tape of UCLA and Arizona shutting him down. Jordan Loveridge has been awful in virtually every road game this year and a fair number of home games.

    Utah doesn't have the talent to win and they certainly don't have the toughness. I wish Brandon Taylor's heart could be inserted into each one of those players. He is the only one that came to play tonight. Onwas is a huge liability on offense.

    Terrible performance and showed the Utes were probably not even deserving of the NIT bid.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:20 p.m.

    Utes taught a lesson in how tough it is to win in a WCC high school gym; and this was a very docile Saint Mary's crowd compared to what BYU and Gonzaga face.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 18, 2014 11:20 p.m.

    Utah's domination of the WCC continues?

    LOL! A double digit loss to the fourth place team.

    Ute's wouldn't be competitive in the WCC.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:18 p.m.

    One-and-done for the Utes. Weber State, UVU and BYU can certainly do no worse and two of those teams are at the big dance. Too bad the DesNews sports writers couldn't foresee the future in this NIT game. So sad.............(chuckle)....now they get to watch everyone else, just like during football bowl season. How's that PAC 12 Basement working out, utes????

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    March 18, 2014 11:17 p.m.

    Yep bad loss to a "cupcake team in a cupcake conference". Chris, your own words make obvious what many of us already know...U don't belong in the PAC12 when you get beat by 12 points to a team neither BYU or gonzaga lost to this year. "LOL"

  • Alpiner Alpine, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:18 p.m.

    Looks like the Utes couldn't handle playing in a high school gym.

    BTW did anyone watch the Georgetown game played at their home? Their gym is smaller than St. Marys.

  • ex patria cougar Australia, 00
    March 18, 2014 11:17 p.m.

    Hilarious. Seeing Utah lose like this after so much trash talk about the WCC just made my day.

    Seriously though, no shame in losing to the 4th best team in the WCC. That would put Utah firmly in the lower half of the WCC, just like in the PAC 12.

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:16 p.m.

    The Utes proving again what a sorry team they are on the road.

    When was the last time the Utes beat a WCC team on the road?

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    March 18, 2014 11:16 p.m.

    Did you notice how utah filled that high school gym?? I love my conference membership.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:15 p.m.

    Lot of arrogant comments before the game was even over...

  • daviscoug Syracuse, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:15 p.m.

    Ouch... Tough loss to a cupcake team. That is sure a painful way to end the season.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:15 p.m.

    Well, the mighty Utes have fallen to---of all things----a WCC Team!! Can you believe it? I surely can!!

  • Great Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:15 p.m.

    Pitiful, we deserve all the flak we are going to get from the Y fans...all of it. No effort, no D, no enthusiasm...just nothing. Krysko and Dr. Hill killed us when they made our non-conference schedule. This was the final nail in the proverbial coffin.

  • TFUDD SLC, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:15 p.m.

    It's the NIT so I could really care less and I can't help but think some of the players didn't give their best efforts.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:12 p.m.

    Oh, where do I start? Cb said, "well that was easy" "Utah's domination of the WCC continues"

    So much for a cupcake conference when SMC can take the utes to the wood shed. I'm loving life.

  • Unbelievable West Jordan, Utah
    March 18, 2014 11:12 p.m.

    Utes, as Dandy Don Merridth used to sing so eloquently. "Turn out the lights, the party's over, all good things must always end"

    That's all folks!

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    March 18, 2014 11:12 p.m.

    "If we play our "B" game that should be enough to get by an average west coast team. Our "B" game earlier was enough to destroy the second best wcc team." "So this is what it's like to play in the WCC..." "Utah's domination of the wcc continues."

    Well boys, there you have it. Swwweeeeeet. The most enjoyable 2 hours I've had in a while.

  • TFUDD SLC, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:11 p.m.

    Typical utes. How many times has this happened that the Utes get complacent and blow big leads? Oregon, Colorado, Arizona.....at least it'll give em something to think about and work on.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 18, 2014 11:11 p.m.

    Choke!

    That was the worst, most embarrassing loss of the season.

    Congrats to SMC, they were more aggressive down the stretch. Utah was playing not to lose and they got thumped. Same story all year long.

    Coach K has some major work to do in the off-season!

    Really, really disappointed in this team tonight.

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    March 18, 2014 11:10 p.m.

    Chris B: "cupcake team in a cupcake conference" may be what the Gaels are thinking.

  • kiva Brea, CA
    March 18, 2014 11:10 p.m.

    Utes could never accomplish what kimbal and gathers of LMU or russell of USF did in this "cupcake conference" or the ncaa tourney. One and done chris b

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:08 p.m.

    @lifelong ute

    Looks like whatever game utah played wasn't good enough. Frankly I don't think utah is capable of playing any better than they have. This was their "A" game.

  • Utes home for the holidays Sandy, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:07 p.m.

    Ladies and gentlemen, this is referred to as a "none and done"

    LOL!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:06 p.m.

    Big step backwards tonight.

    Coach K needs to take this team dancing next season.

  • PG #1 FAN Lindon, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:04 p.m.

    Down 10 with under 2 minutes left....Yep Chris that was easy....for St. Marys

  • Kristjhn Bountiful, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:05 p.m.

    Utah's A game is not even as good as Saint Mary's B game.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:03 p.m.

    I've really enjoyed this game, and the utah "fans" comments in this thread.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:02 p.m.

    Goodness, what an embarrassing last seven minutes of the game. That's what can happen when you let a team hang around on their home court. Barring an unlikely comeback, it's been a fun season to watch, frustrating at times, but definitely excited about what's to come next season. A couple more talented incoming players, more development for all returning players, and some great conference opponents. Should be another fun season to watch.

  • Ute parents - me Cougar Rathdrum, ID
    March 18, 2014 11:01 p.m.

    Ute fans. Maybe a bit too early with the gloating. Huh.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2014 10:59 p.m.

    What an awful performance by Utah. They've been good all year and then these last two games have been atrocious.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2014 10:58 p.m.

    Chris B

    You mean easy for the Gaels who are up by TEN with 2 minutes left?

  • scooter88845 Riverton, UT
    March 18, 2014 10:58 p.m.

    Wow. Once St. Mary's started to actual play they destroyed the Utes. Good thing they held off for most of the game before turning it on. Fitting end to the Utes season. Another loss on the road.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 18, 2014 10:52 p.m.

    Lack of aggressiveness and sloppiness offensively is killing the team in the second half.

  • Oh, please! Saint George, UT
    March 18, 2014 10:51 p.m.

    3:52 left in the game, 19 Ute turnovers. St. Mary's up by 2 points. Even if the Utes pull this off, it hasn't been a cake walk. Welcome to the WCC.

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    March 18, 2014 10:51 p.m.

    Here we go again. Lead is gone. Why can't this team hold a stinking lead in the road game???

  • D4inSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 18, 2014 10:47 p.m.

    They are scrappy! BTW, my high school gym.....in Montana, was larger than the St. Mary's gym.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2014 10:41 p.m.

    I'm so glad we don't play our whole conference season in tiny high school gyms!

    But if all we cared about was padding our record, this conference would be nice to join.

    No thanks though, I'll stick with our wonderful Pac 12!

    Utah 1.000 record against WCC cupcakes

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2014 10:19 p.m.

    Well, that was pretty easy.

    Utah's domination of the wcc continues.

    Go utes!

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 18, 2014 10:16 p.m.

    Took Holt ten seconds in the backcourt before calling a timeout, but that's not a ten second call? I thought that's why officials were told to start watching the clock instead of counting with arm movements in backcourt situations. Interesting...

    Also, anyone else wonder if Stephen Holt walks around, pumping his arms in the air, yelling "Steve Holt!"? Because that's what I do every time they announce his name.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 18, 2014 10:00 p.m.

    Lifelong Ute

    Since when does Utah's "B" consist of shooting lights out in the 1st half?

    The truth is, Utah had to play one of the best games of the season on their home court in order to pull off the upset of a team they'd only beaten once in the last 12 meetings.

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    March 18, 2014 10:00 p.m.

    LOL. Utah playing its post season in a high school gym. SMC doesn't seem to want to be there.

    Not saying much when the 4th place WCC teams gets a higher seed than the pac12 team.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 18, 2014 9:58 p.m.

    At the half Utah has played really sloppy with 11 turnovers. Should have been up by double digits.

    In the 2nd half we need to continue playing great defense, limit the turnovers, and take it to the rim like we've been doing.

    Go UTES!

  • UteNationAlum Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 18, 2014 9:58 p.m.

    So this is what it's like to play in the WCC...

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 18, 2014 9:55 p.m.

    Utes'll live with anyone other than Holt or Walker shooting the 3, and it's working with everyone else at 0-7. Waldow is hilarious to watch so far. Really hope he keeps this kind of play up for 20 more minutes, comedic gold!

    Stop turning the ball over, Utes! Finish!

  • I'll call it Ogden, UT
    March 18, 2014 9:44 p.m.

    Who do the the Utes play next?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2014 9:17 p.m.

    Beatdown! Lol.

    The gap between the PAC 12 and wcc is huge!

    Utah 100% record over wcc

    PAC 12 8-2 against the wcc cupcakes.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 18, 2014 9:12 p.m.

    Sounded like a terrible call to start the game with an "illegal screen" by Brandon Taylor that was just a standard dribble-handoff, but good to see the team hasn't let it get to them. Crisp offense, smart D so far, keep it up!

  • Lifelong Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2014 8:57 p.m.

    If we play our "B" game that should be enough to get by an average west coast team. Our "B" game earlier was enough to destroy the second best wcc team.