"Guess the typical Faux News parrots are all over this article, what a
surprise"And it no surprise that left wing posters go into a
hypocritical tizzy when their PMSNBC dogma is questioned. Does that qualify
as "civil" dialogue?Signing up is not the same as actually
buyingAs long as more people are losing health care than are gaining it -
it remains a failureIf the uninsured are not buying, then its a failureDespite Davis' apologetics: Obamacare so far is a failure - and is
structurally set up to be a failure - presumably to tee up single payer,Dishonest
"Regardless of one’s feelings about Obamacare, the administration
deserves credit for bringing so many Americans into a new health care program
that will have an enormous, positive impact on many Americans who previously
lacked affordable, adequate health care coverage."Exactly!Isn't it interesting how the ACA has delineated the major national
parties?On one side of the issue, we have solid Americans who know
the ACA will work, and they want to facilitate it and fine tune it to be a
wonderful tool and service for the good of America and Americans.And on the other side? . . . Wow! A whole bunch of upset people, seething in
anger, and looking for ways to sabotage the ACA at every opportunity, even if it
means harming the nation.Isn't there a name for Americans who
want to inflict harm upon America and Americans? . . . Something
like . . . Seditionists? . . . or traitors?
This is Mr. Davis’s usual cheerleading for big government and government
coercion. How about some cheerleading for the Constitution, individual
liberty, and limited government? Our founders would be appalled at Obamacare.
@EsquireYou can't refine a pile of steaming garbage and make it
better.It must be replaced.There are better solutions
than the evils of socialism. Unfortunately the extreme left wants to hear none
of it. And reject anything that doesn't embrace socialism.What
are your suggestions? You obviously know it has deep problems.
Excellent, informed article. Yes, it's working, not without a few glitches,
but it's working quite well. It won't be an issue in the 2016
Spin gloom and doom like the tea party wants to hear. Is this not the end of the
world if successful?
Here's a few more tidbits I've recently heard about contained in the
fine print of the hundreds, (or is it thousands?) of pages of ACA. 1.
You might be covered for a pre-existing condition, say cancer, but that does not
necessarily mean the cost of the treatment or medicine will be covered. 2. If you have two pre-existing conditions, like cancer and a heart
problem, pick one, because in some cases both won't be covered. 3. And although it isn't in the bill, we have all heard about the number
of doctors and hospitals that are just not going to play with Obamacare at all.
Finally, anecdotal maybe, but it makes sense. Apparantly a lot of the "best
and brightest" in America who would in normal circumstances go for an MD
career, are opting out of medical school for other professions due to the
possible restrictions on making the kind of money they would have expected, and
or having big brother looking over their shoulder. So the 2nd and 3rd tier
students might to be the doctors of the future. Something to think about.
Esquire, I support him being "contrary to the company line," I
figured that was clear with my statement that I appreciate open dialogue on the
issues. What I have little tolerance for is uninformed or unaware dialogue. If
you are going to express your opinion on an issue, you ought to know what you
are talking about. That's all. As far as being bitter, look up
Davis' past and you'll understand what I'm talking about. He was
a republican and ran for offices under that hat for a while. When he
couldn't get elected, he switched to the other side where there is
unfortunately no competition in Utah. Do your homework and you'll
understand what I'm talking about.
LOU MontanaHope your insurance includes cancer treatment centers.
Today’s article in the DN says most are not covered. I got covered, too
bad for everyone else who is much worse off now. Is that a selfish or a
selfless attitude?Kent, Get sick and die or go bankrupt?If you think that was the only plan offered by the repubs you must have been
watching too much MSNBC.Tyler,See my earlier comment –
your comment indicates you ignore positions you do not like.Whatever,Anyone who disagrees with you is a parrot? Yes, the tolerance
of the left is so dazzling I cannot see.Esquire,You’ve
been in Davis’s class? You say the GOP does nothing? Too much MSNBC for
you! You say the law passed and they are still arguing about
whether or not to get on the train. How about BO, who is unilaterally changing
and delaying parts of the law? Can you say HE is on board with his own
signature law when even he cannot decide what to do with it? talk about the pot
calling the kettle black!
B. Johnson, I don't find Davis to be bitter. Just because he ssays things
contrary to the company line? I find that refreshing, especially coming out of
the bastian of the right wing. Let's not go calling the kettle black....
DesNews, I understand you are trying to offer another perspective on the issue,
but a more informed opinion than that of Mr. Davis would be productive. I had
"Professor" Davis while attending BYU and he is nothing more than a
bitter man who couldn't get elected to any office in the republican party
so switched to the democrats where nobody cares and he could "feel"
important. I appreciate open dialogue on all issues, but I find Mr.
Davis' opinion of the actual situation of the ACA to be on par with the
republicans' regarding social issues... totally lacking in awareness.Shape up your next opinion piece Davis.
OK Mr. Davis. Answer the question that Kathleen Sebelius, who runs the program,
could not answer a couple of day ago. How many who have "signed up",
have actually paid any premiums? Why is a few million signed up seen as some
kind of success? Remember the original purpose of the ACA? 40 million
uninsured citizens who needed health insurance? Why is 7 million considered
such a success? What, 30 something million don't need health care yet? Or
are they just going to wait until they do need it, and then sign up, which I
suspect is what is really happening. And, to all of you who think the ACA is
such a great success, why has Obama had to modify with his pen so much of the
original bill? So much so, that he recently said that anyone with a hardship
can opt out of even being fined for not signing up. Which, essentially gives
any citizen the option to not pay until needed. And then signing up when they
do. And, many are finding that the A part of ACA is not so affordable after
Mr. Davis please tell me they are not experementing with medical marijuana down
Good to hear.
The way I hear it "They count anyone as enrolled anyone who adds
an Obamacare health insurance plan into their shopping cart. Put another way, it
would be akin to Amazon.com counting their books, CDs, and other merchandise as
sold whenever a customer adds it to their shopping cart regardless of whether
they end up paying for it.By this loose definition of enrollment, the
administration claims that 5 million people have enrolled into Obamacare.
However, this loose definition requires a new metric to go along with it and it
is called the “non-payment rate” or the rate of people who
don’t actually buy the product in their shopping carts. It is estimated to
be 20% nationwide but as high as 50% in some states. Coupled with the percentage
of people for which Obamacare is not replacing existing coverage, which is
thought to be 30%, this leaves only 1 million new enrollees."
Guess the typical Faux News parrots are all over this article, what a surprise.
Of course the tea party with it's whopping 9% approval rating still has no
idea how to fix anything so they just the repeating same worn out AM radio gloom
and doom nonsense they've been spouting for years. Hey tea
party, why don't you do something really useful and try to get rid of
Obamacare and FAIL miserably for the 50th plus time? That's pretty much the
entire legacy of your "party".
Lots of sour grapes here today. Yes, Obamacare is imperfect. But it's a
whole lot better than the "let them get sick and die or go bankrupt"
health reform the Republicans offered (in other words, no reform). A very
belated effort by Orrin Hatch and friends was nothing but a political stunt,
since they knew it wouldn't go anywhere.So, here's a novel
idea. Since the ACA is not perfect, let's do some revision, as we did with
Medicare and who knows how many other government programs, and fix what needs
fixing. Someday we may achieve the obvious goals of any health-care system:
quality care for all citizens at affordable prices. Complaining and making
40-odd symbolic attempts to repeal the law is counterproductive.By
the way, Mike, I think I missed your comment on the "My View" today.
Nothing to say about people dying because the GOP won't expand Medicaid?
I am a cancer survivor and lost all my retirement to the previous medical
system. I also tried to get private insurance prior to Obamacare and the
premiums offered was more then two thousand dollars a month. Last week my wife
and I bought medical insurance because I am recently unemployed and the premiums
is less than five hundred dollars a month, with no deductible for myself. This
is proof that Obamacare is working! There is one word for employers
who drop their medical insurance "GREED"! Employers need to give back to
the people who are making their businesses successful.
Unfortunately this article highlights one of the two reasons we were told by
conservatives why Obamacare will be a disaster.First, we were told
Obamacare will be a disaster because… well, it will be a disaster. It will
raise premiums, bankrupt providers, kill jobs, destroy freedom, cause climate
change, and presage the 2nd Coming. OK, I made up the last two but in my defense
it’s hard to tone down the hyperbole after listening to AM talk radio
during the morning commute.Second, we were told that people would
like it (meaning it would be a stunning success?) and that this fact too would
bring about many of the problems cited above, including likely the 2nd Coming
– note to self: reprogram radio presets.And we were told all
this without any sense of irony (no doubt because what’s important in
partisan politics is not logic or reason, but winning).The effects
of the ACA will likely take years to accrue throughout the economy, but as
conservatives are always reminding us with respect to climate change (again,
with no irony), “hey, it won’t be that bad.”
It is working. And rather than offering ideas to refine and make it better, all
the GOP can do is vote to repeal, time after time, after what, 3 to 4 years?
They can't even agree on what alternative to vote on. The GOP complains,
but then can do nothing. The ACA passed years ago. The train left the station.
The GOP is still arguing over whether they should get on it. If this is
leadership, heaven help us if they get back into power. (Oh wait, I
haven't forgotten the fiasco of their last run in the White House! Please
no, never again!)
Thanks, Richard, for an informed analysis of the ACA. I hope it continues to
make progress and that we can move toward single-payer.
I see the DN’s chief BO cheerleader is at it again.A success,
huh?I wonder if he knew the DN would print an article about how most
cancer treatment centers are not covered in Obamacare plans – but those
nuns dang well better have contraceptives!So easy to ignore those
millions who lost their insurance because of Obamacare.Easy to
ignore those left out by Obamacare.Easy to ignore the cost estimates
were waaaaaay too low and the actual costs – to the feds and individuals
– are significantly higherSuccess in people signing up, yeah
– you pay a penalty if you do not. Stalin was successful in filling the
gulags when he had the weight of his government behind the effort.You could also say the doctors who prescribed an anti-nausea medicine for
pregnant women were successful – until they later learned the drug lead to
horrific birth defects. but nevermind the side effects of ObamacareHe ignores the job losses and other drags on the economy from Obamacare.the actuary for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services estimates 65%
of small businesses will likely incur higher premiums this year under Obamacare
Oh, Brother!? Sorry Mr. Davis. You're not that good of a salesman.Of course, neither is the entire Obama administration and the solely
Democrat legislators who shoved this monstrosity down our throats.Though I haven't found an affordable health insurance plan for almost 14
years due to a pre-existing condition, I'll be one of the people who reject
this latest and nearly perfect example of governmental incompetence and
intrusion.Judging from your eyes-wide-shut appraisal of Obamacare,
it appears I value my freedom more than you do yours.
How many of those "enrollees" have health insurance that is subsidized
by the public? The figures are meaningless unless we know which plans are
selling. Telling us that 5,000,000 more people have their hands out for
government assistance is not something to be proud of. ObamaCare
has ruined my health insurance. Prescriptions have gone from $30 a month to
$150 a month. Now, I get one co-pay per year for a routine blood test and
physical. I have to pay over $550 per visit the other three times for a visit
and blood test just to get the prescriptions that I need. And, now we pay over
$400 per month for insurance where before we paid less than $150 per month.
Where's the $2,500 per year savings that Obama promised? Where is my old
insurance plan? Obama promised us that if we liked our insurance, we could keep
it? I'm still waiting for the $2,500 check and I want my old policy. It
met our needs perfectly.
The only thing that will be successful regarding Obamacare, is that it will
destroy the current health care system so that government can step in to provide
the progressives dream of single payer government controlled health care.
Mr. Davis is trying to put lipstick on the pig. One Million new enrollees for
insurance, when 7 Million were projected. Leaving 30 Million without insurance,
still. Can't keep you doctor. Private insurance is more expensive, not
less - as promised. Keep drinking the Koolaid, Professor. Reality isn't
the illusion that you are trying to sell. Other fixes are available at a
smaller cost and without the sacrifice of freedom. Of course, Professors know
better than all the working hacks - that is why the current executive department
has less people who have real world experience than any other administration in