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Published: Tuesday, March 18 2014 5:30 p.m. MDT

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Values Voter
LONG BEACH, CA

I'm very glad to see this story.

Coincidentally, I was just reviewing some old computer messages from 1999 and 2000 having to do with California's Prop 22. -- Boy, have we come a long way!

Though forces at that time prevailed, attitudes in California (and the country at large) have shifted dramatically and I was able to marry my partner in a --CIVIL-- ceremony earlier this year. It'll be fine Utah, you'll see.

sg
newhall, CA

I can understand how gays feel about wanting to have the same rights to marry as it has been for centuries between a man and a woman. I have a gay son who has expressed his wish to one day marry. Would I support it? Yes; however, unless I completely refute the Judeo/Christian teachings that marriage is only between a man and a woman (how else can procreation exist without a man and woman)? I believe that even when the courts decree that same sex marriage is good, such decision is contrary to God's plan and commandment. As a believer in the Bible and it's teachings, even the story of Adam and Eve, I believe that marriage should only be between a man and a woman, any other is contrary to God's commandment.

Snapdragon
Midlothian, VA

Personal stories may attempt to pull at heart strings, but there is still an obligation we have to protect and defend traditional marriage.

U-tar
Woodland Hills, UT

I was thinking maybe we might get through the day without a same sex story, nope, not to be.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@sg and Snapdragon

Why should your "traditions" stand? There have been nanny changes to the tradition of marriage over time, why should your current version stand when there is no creditable scientific evidence that changing it in the way being proposed will cause harms?

I know it. I Live it. I Love it.
Provo, UT

I respectfully remind people not to be fooled by this.

Films and Cable shows paint pictures of villains that we can sympathize with. If you can make an audience sympathize with a serial killer, you certainly have a talent for persuasion. But the truth hasn't changed. Satan can attract us to anything. That is the nature of the fall. We're here to learn how to rise again. The only way is with help and we're here to help.

You want life to improve? Recognition of your problems will only make it harder on yourself later. Instead, there are other groups to join. Come to church.

The LDS Church created a site with personal stories too... stories of healing, respect, and love. Messages of hope, for something brighter, something joyous! The movement of hate is spreading and it's not coming from the Savior, but the adversary. It's not a matter of "joining a group". That doesn't validate you. What matters is joining the right one.

"In the world today we face difficulties and challenges, some of which can seem truly daunting. However, with God on our side we cannot fail." -Thomas S. Monson

waikiki_dave
Honolulu, HI

I said it before and I will say it again; marriage equality will be a foregone conclusion in the very near future. What gay people and their friends should turn their attention to is the legislative backlash that will most certainly gain momentum once gay people are allowed to marry. I am talking about non-sense laws proposed by homophobic legislators who claim citizens religious rights need to be defended by allowing them to deny public services to gay people. The battle for basic human rights in the state of Utah is not over by any stretch of the imagination.

Go Big Blue!!!
Bountiful, UT

I have a gay son that I love dearly. I want him to be happy and to be joyful in life. I will support him in all that he does. That said, I still can't support ssm. Marriage is a relationship between and man and a women. A relationship between two adults of the same sex is something else.

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

I don't really care how society sees gay marriage. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. The most recent declaration from the Lord concerning marriage is that it is between a man and a woman, so that is my stance.

patjan
Flower Mound, TX

How could we share your joy or be united as you hope we would about same-sex marriage? You are forcing something on our society that changes our children's and grand-children's worlds in such a way that will confuse them about their sexual identity. We don't fear you, we fear your way of life being forced upon them through blurring all the identities of who men and women are. Sure, we can teach our own children through our own examples and through our own beliefs. But we also know that some of them will fall victim to your manipulations. When they are going through identity crisis' - as almost all young people do, you will be there to tell them they are feeling confused because of mistaken sexuality. You will make sure that gay relations are blaring in their faces. Even though we are taught to be kind and respectful towards you, we know that you will not respect our right to raise our children as we see fit. With God as our guide, we will do all we can to teach our children who they really are - sons and daughters of God.

Int'l Businessman
SLO, CA

If a man marries a woman who is married to another man (polyandry) then aren't the two men participating in a marriage together? Hardly seems "traditional" to me.

tim_the_tool_man_taylor
Dallas, TX

What I have never understood about this is the equal rights claim.

If a man and woman enter into a marriage relationship, then they are able to reproduce.
If two people of the same sex enter into a "marriage relationship", then they are not able to reproduce.

How is this equal? Do they really expect to be treated as equal after having chosen to enter into an inferior relationship. (Inferior in the sense that they cannot reproduce)

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

sorry that should be many

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

@sg and Go Big Blue
Both of you have children who are gay and both of you would like them to be happy. I am sure your children don't want for you to believe in SSM. I'm sure they would be happy if you tell them , that despite your difference of opinion you love them for what they are and accept them and their decision. You don't need to agree with them, you just need to accept their right to love and be grateful they have a loving spouse. Love them for what they are not for what you would like them to be.

Patjan;
There are no lessons that can teach you your sexual orientation. If that were the case there would be no homosexuals in the world. Just think about it.

samhill
Salt Lake City, UT

So, once again, it comes down to whose "feelings" are deemed more important.

Should I be persuaded that changing the definition of marriage to include homosexual marriage is right because there are people who sincerely and earnestly believe it is proper and correct and who feel bad because that has never been the definition before, all despite the fact that there are also people who sincerely and earnestly believe the definition should remain the same?

Or, vice versa??

Hmmmm. It seems there are good people with diametrically opposing points of view. How shall we resolve this?

I know such questions have usually been handled democratically, as in, by majority rule. But, lately there have been activist judges who believe they can overrule the will of the people.

So, if the will of the people as expressed by either of these aforementioned groups, or any other for that matter, is moot, why are we even bothering to have these kinds of statements for the press. All we need do is obey the judges. After all, they are the final arbiters, right?

On the other hand, there are those famous words about the basis for governmental power. Something about, We, the people.

intervention
slc, UT

So I can't figure out the best way to break it to those that think they have had an exclusive relationship with marriage that their "traditional" relationship has been one sided. Marriage has had different definitions across time, has different definitions across cultures now and will continue to have different definitions in the future.

Hugh1
Denver, CO

Personal story. I married my partner yesterday. 40 years ago we were young and fell in love. Some of the letters here, particularly from parents of gay children are very troubling. It's strange, civil marriage to a Mormon or Catholic has no sacramental consequence, so why deny your son the essence of life's happiness. Being gay is usually not a problem (sometimes, but not often); he cannot change and you cannot change him; you gave birth to a gay son and now offer no solution - except one that helps you but hurts him (forget 'love the sinner platitudes', I'm not interested). Both churches now concur that changing gay is impossible. Even Exodus, the premiere Ex-gay Christian organization, shuttered its doors and apologized for those it harmed. It is my responsibility (God's handiwork?) to write on behalf of those who cannot, to say that providing your child a chance to live a loving and responsible life may take additional sacrifice on your part. If you love your child more than yourself, you will do the right thing. If your pastor or bishop won't help - choose your child's happiness, love conquers all.

KJB1
Eugene, OR

Tell you what, samhill: Let the people of Utah vote on whether your marriage is valid and promise to accept the verdict. If you're willing to do this, then maybe you'll have a valid point...

Outside-View
Federal Way, WA

Once again the gay community begs for commassion and tolerance while at the same time they attack any person or business that doesnt agree with their position or want to "participate" in their civil ceremonys. No opposition will be tolerated.

CA law give gays & Bi's every benefit and right of marriage except to call it marriage. i understand that is what gays want so that they can say that society accepts their lifestyle as being normal and acceptible. Gay relations are different and calling those relationships civil unions with "partners' is reasonable instead of hiding them behind the traditional terms of marriage. They also want to further reduce any differentciation by insisting on using terms of wives marrying wives and husbands having husbands.

I expect that gay marriage will continue to be more legally acceptible. At that time I hope that gays will stop seeking out people and business that dont agree with their lifestyle to try and punish them. People should hve the right to not be forced to "partcipate" in gay marriages.

Until then, I suggest business hire other firms to provide services that they dont want to participate in themselves. Hopefully, that would be legal

Stormwalker
Cleveland , OH

@samhill
I know such questions have usually been handled democratically, as in, by majority rule. But, lately there have been activist judges who believe they can overrule the will of the people.

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Our system was based on the idea of checks and balances, including the balance between the will of the majority and the tyranny of the majority. Under the rule of law the position of the biggest mob is not automatically right. One part of the job of judges is to make sure the will of the majority follows constitutional law and does not tip over into tyranny.

At the same time, tradition does not automatically make a position right, either. If it did, slavery would still be legal, women would be denied the vote, the Irish and Italians and other ethnic groups would still be seen as second class citizens, all based on a claim of tradition.

Judge Shelby ruled on the matter based on his understanding of the law. His decision does not make him an activist. In fact, based on the rulings that have followed, his ruling makes him a pioneer, a trailblazer, a lone voice crying in the wilderness that is soon followed by others...

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