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Published: Wednesday, March 19 2014 11:18 a.m. MDT

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marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

The Deseret News has a very narrow view of history in the Crimea. First, Crimea is Russian by ethnicity and their population wants to be part of Russia. Second, Crimea was part of Russia until Nikita Khrushchev gave it to Ukraine in modern times. Third, the referendum appears to be legitimate. Fourth, Russia is historically very afraid of vulnerability in this area. This was the area where the United States invaded Russia after World War I. And finally fifth, Russia is even more afraid now with the rise of Ukrainian fascism.

Is Russia paranoid? Perhaps, and perhaps with good reason.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I've forgotten, but is this what you said when Russia invaded Georgia during Bush's presidency and we did nothing?

The Hammer
lehi, utah

Look who is late to the party again. I mean Obama can't even have a plan B because he doesn't even have a plan A. Where was he when the protests started? Where is he ever on this stuff?

All I ever see of him is when he is golfing or campaigning on another failed socialist plan.

He is proving he is just a guy with a pleasant demeanor that has no experience doing anything in his life.

Mikhail
ALPINE, UT

Obama's threats are meaningless because he intends for them to be meaningless. Remember the message - after the election he would have more flexibility. The flexibility comes in the form of letting anyone who desires to spit in the face of the country that this President despises and desires to fundamentally change.

Wouldn't it make more sense to undo concessions that this administration has made earlier to appease Putin - like taking the missiles out of Poland and cutting missile defense system development in Eastern Europe. Supporting American allies against the reconstruction of the Soviet Union and fighting against radical Islamic tyranny are contrary to the fundamental changes intended by this President.

Bob K
portland, OR

"Words of warning should always be preceded by building a coalition of nations prepared to act in defending America’s — and the West’s — values, including freedom of speech, freedom of religion, free markets and democratic self-determination."

Hey, Crimea was historically part of Russia!

Is this our business?

Of course, if Putin tried to take over the rest of Ukraine, which is not populated by Russians, it would be different.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

In Russia and beyond...

"...According to the Kyiv Post, however, the only two choices offered to voters were to either join Russia immediately or to declare independence and then join Russia. Maintaining the status quo was not an option...".

In Utah and beyond...

According to the Republican Party in Utah, the only two choices offered to voters are/were/will be to either join the Republican Party or to repudiate independent critical thinking skills and then join the Republican Party. Maintaining the status quo is/was/will not be an option.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Mitt Romney warned Obama during the debate that Putin and Russia were our most formidable geopolitical foes. Obama mocked Mitt for months. Now we see Romney was right and Obama was wrong, again! America made a huge mistake by electing the wrong man and now the entire world is paying for our mistake! Obama, as he has his entire life, offers nothing more than effusive rhetoric and obfuscation, period! That may impress his fellow liberals but Putin can see right through him like the empty glass he is!

mohokat
Ogden, UT

The words spoke by our Dear Leader ring loud. "Tell Vladimir that after the election I will have more flexibility". mmmmm

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

"Wouldn't it make more sense to undo concessions that this administration has made earlier to appease Putin - like taking the missiles out of Poland and cutting missile defense system development in Eastern Europe."

No.

NATO on his front door is exactly why Putin is doing this. The test does come when ethnic Russians rise up in eastern Ukraine and what if any thing Putin does in support. The world was never going to bring the hammer down over Crimea, but further incursions, maybe.

One little neglected fact here in the supposed invasion of Crimea is that apparently Russia has always had a treaty with Crimea to have 25,000 Russian troops stationed there, and at no time was that number exceeded. So the idea that Russia just rolled troops across the boarder and took over is not accurate at all.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

"....What’s disconcerting in this entire episode is that the Obama administration seems to have been caught off guard by Putin’s aggression...."
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Oh, come now, Deseret News. Did you really expect the Administration to see this coming? Even the nations of Europe and the immediate region was taken by surprise, including Ukraine.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

marxist,
Thanks for the history lesson, but past history or the language spoken by the majority do not justify taking over the country.

Would you also support Mexico invading California? The majority of Californians are Spanish speaking, and parts of it were once part of Mexico... right?

So should America just say OK, if they invade and said they want it back and send their troops to overseeing a referendum to determine California's fate?

No... old borders don't matter now. And the language spoken by the people doesn't determine the border. Same in Crimea. Just because they are Russian speaking doesn't make it part of Russia. And just because Ukraine was once part of the USSR doesn't make the invasion OK.

If it does... Russia has a claim to take over all of Eastern Europe...

Doug10
Roosevelt, UT

USA has no skin in this game. It would be ultra foolish to have our country do an Iraq II. Did we not learn anything?

Someone in the world somewhere rattles a saber and USA with all its war debt shows up on scene again. It only makes sense to warmongers.

Is it our right or intention to force our thoughts and laws upon the whole world? How many lives have been lost in this uprising? In actual fact there have been fewer lives lost in Crimea than in the city of Chicago due to lack of healthcare since the beginning of this year.

It is always easier to point our finger far off and say what we would do rather than fix our own issues and problems.

Why isn't the US involved in Angola where over 1,000 people are killed each month in an ongoing war?

Seems we pick and choose our battles that have very little to do with the reason we are told they are so important.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

Maybe we should give Ukraine weapons, then "advisors" and then........

gmlewis
Houston, TX

There is an analogy to this situation. Texas declared independence from Mexico in 1836, and became The Republic of Texas. Within ten years, it joined The United States of America, which promptly engaged in a successful war with Mexico. This fulfilled the U.S. objective of "Manifest Destiny."

Now Crimea has declared independence from Ukraine, and it has been received by Russia. This fulfills Putin's objective of a form of "Manifest Destiny."

Must war inevitably follow?

Strider303
Salt Lake City, UT

Our past three or maybe more presidents were all domestic minded people with little foreign travel or experience. I will grant the incumbent credit for his teen age years in Indonesia, but none of them were up to speed as diplomats or creative thinkers.

My opinion is that the recent occupants of the White Hose have been rather self absorbed with meeting their needs and the perks of the office rather than some communicable vision for the country.

Mr. Putin appears to be a man to be reckoned with, not talked down to as if he were the outsider in a pick-up ball game.

Mr. Obama is outclassed and outgunned on this battle and if he doesn't know it, the rest of the western world certainly does.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
Says, "USA has no skin in this game"....

Google "Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances"...

The United States of America, Russia, and the United Kingdom signed the 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, pledging to respect Ukraine territorial integrity, in exchange for Ukraine giving it's nuclear arsenal to Russia (they had the world's 3rd largest nuclear arsenal in 1994).

So we DO have skin in this game. We signed an agreement addressing exactly what is happening now, and promised that the USA would have our skin in it.

You don't sign agreements like this, and then when the situation the agreement was written for occurs... just say "We don't have any skin in this game". And expect any of your allies to trust you ever again.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

Doug10,

"....Seems we pick and choose our battles...."
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None of America’s nine cold war Presidents would have responded to Russia’s move on Crimea with what was then called swift retaliation. For Russia, this is a backyard skirmish to reclaim territory in their geopolitical sphere of influence. Putin’s ill-advised method of sneak attack has sparked world outrage and brought condemnation that may cost Russia far more than it gained. For Obama to have responded with force that could escalate a tense situation would have been utterly foolish.

SCfan
clearfield, UT

Roland Kayser

Yes, Georgia was invaded under Bush, but he had about 3 months left in office, and was so lame duck, he had no feathers. The Democrats totally controlled Congress, and Bush was at about 33% popularity. This, by the way was similar to when President Clinton was in the last few weeks of his term and the USS Cole was blown up. He did nothing either, even though he said he was going to. And, if I remember, Clinton has much better popularity than Bush.

Now, as for "stopping Russia". What can we do, except sanctions? We certainly are not going to try anything military with a nuclear super power as our advasary. That's why Iran wants nukes, by the way. The only way Russia could be militarily stopped is if they invaded a NATO country, and, (this is a BIG and) all of NATO declared military intent against Russia if they didn't stop. Still, with the threat of a nuclear war, many, if not most would rather let the Russians have what they want, rather than risk nuclear war. So comparisons to stopping Hitler don't really apply in the nuclear world. To dangerous.

SCfan
clearfield, UT

OK, just for fun, if no one has thought of it yet, maybe Russia shot down that Malaysian airliner just to take the invasion of Crimea off the front pages. If so, it seems to have worked pretty well. At least here in America.

freedomingood
provo, Utah

Paraphrased, "we must not react in a reactive way." Do you hear yourselves?

So Obama should have invaded Crimea just to make sure Russia didn't?

Is the official DN international policy to use the Bush doctrine and preemptively attack any country that COULD possibly be a threat to the US?

So Mitt and the DN would have us in a WW3 about 6 years ago?

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