Conservatives will fall in line. Let's pay for a new prison even though we
don't need one. Nice crony capitalism.
This article was so well researched and stated... I was hoping the comments
would be about the article, and not just the usual "Our legislators are
bought and paid for" stuff. But right from the first comment we are right
back in that rut.Esquire, "Yeah, but the legislature is owned by
special interests"... Flashback, "The legislature is run by
developers. The developers stand to cash in if the prison is moved"...Noodlekaboodle, "But, if we don't move the prison how will the
legislator sell the land to themselves"...rlsintx Plano TX ,
"don't pawn off the move to the taxpayers for your own gain."...
(do you pay Utah taxes in Texas??)---Are Utah
legislators really developers? Do you even know who is on the
relocation committee? Do you care?How can they sell the land to
themselves? That would be a conflict of interest. If there is a REAL conflict of
interest... put it out there (not just the innuendo)If you have
proof of your innuendos... put the proof out there for all to see!
Otherwise...How does the legislature benefit from selling the land
to the highest bidder??
What's with all the "VOTE THEM OUT! comments? Is this a
political campaign... or is there a real topic to discuss here?I
suspect that democrat legislators are just as human as republican legislators.
Politicians are politicians. They are probably just as developer controlled as
republican legislators... so just voting republicans out doesn't really
solve the problem does it?===There's a schism of
logic going on in the critics of the plan. They complain that the legislature
is making the people pay for the move, but at the same time they are complaining
that they are selling the land.Hello...They are selling the
land so less cost will be passed along to the people!Depending on
what the highest bid for the land is... there may be NO COST to the people. The
developer who buys the old land to develop it into houses, businesses, schools,
parks and churches... may pay the whole cost of the move!Who pays
the whole cost of the move IF we DON'T sell?? -- Hint.. the people --When you move... don't you sell your old house to help buy the new
All these complaints about our corrupt legislature, who are you going to vote
for next time? Yeah, thats what I thought.
Why would you want a prison in the most populated area of the state? Why
can't a new prison be built in less populated area with the idea of reform
utmost in design? Redevelopment should include green space and the money needed
to build a new prison comes from redevelopment. If you don't like the
politicians VOTE THEM OUT!
@utcycliestSo how would the state spending millions of dollars on land to
move to a new location, when they already have perfectly good land that we(the
taxpayers) own help fund programs to reduce recidivism? Look at other state
institutions. When buildings at the U of U get older we don't tear them
down, sell the land, and build a new college somewhere else. You just replace
that building with a new one, then tear down/remodel the old one. Unless this
land is worth way more than it's being appraised at this move doesn't
If it's such a compelling argument to move the prison so development can
expand in the south SL valley, let the developers pay for the move up-front.
Developers buy up farms, rundown areas etc. before development. They sometimes
buy out leases and move business tenants similarly. It seems pretty obvious
that this is the end-game. Fine, step up and bear all the costs of making your
profits developers, but don't pawn off the move to the taxpayers for your
Well done Evensen. You earned this one.
If other states don't see the ABSOLUTE GREATNESS of moving the prison - it
must be that they don't allow real estate developers to be state
legislators. The fact that legislators haven't personally benefited YET
only relates to the fact that they haven't made the "deals" yet."utcyclist" WHY can't "new programming and
recidivism" be done at the current location? WHY can't facilities be
re-built or even new ones added at the current location? There are open fields
all around the prison. Your position wouldn't happen to have anything to
do with the fact that you live in Draper - would it?The possible
prison move has a very bad "smell" to it!
I think Gov. Herbert is right. We can't simply just build a bigger prison
somewhere else and expect to solve the problem. Our approach to corrections in
general needs to be reevaluated, and we need to build facilities that support a
new approach. Too many prisoners want out simply because they don't like
being in prison, not because they see the benefit of being a contributing member
of society. Finding a better way to show them why the latter is so important
ought to be the focus of our reform efforts. Some of our current practices for
those incarcerated do more damage than good, making people even less sociable
and less capable of functioning in society.
Prison reform and building a new facility aren't mutually exclusive, in
fact they are dependent on each other. New programming to reduce recidivism
require updated facilities and it simply makes no sense to do that in the
current location.Continued accusations that the move is motivated by
legislators looking to profit personally is ridiculous and unsubstantiated.Everyone will benefit when it moves.
Re: FlashbackGreat idea, I say that the moved prison site be made
into a huge urban park, like New York's Central Park. We did it with
Sugarhouse Park, we should do it again.What better legacy to leave
our children, and their children!
But, if we don't move the prison how will the legislator sell the land to
themselves and their friends to make a killing by building housing developments?
The legislature is run by developers. The developers stand to cash in if the
prison is moved. Let's stop it right in it's track to state that the
land will be developed into a large regional park featuring the hot ponds that
are on site.
Yeah, but the legislature is owned by special interests.
It's because Cali is no longer tough on weed, and In Utah people get pulled
over for putting there hair up at a stop light. It really happened look it up.
This is a well researched, and thoughtful editorial! It makes one wonder why
the Utah legislature is unanimous in its support for moving the prison.Are our legislators so "bought and paid for" by development special
interests that they haven't consisted alternatives to moving the prison?