@fowersjl - the number of people receiving food stamps/assistance
46,700,000…. that is not 30% or even 40% of 313 million… not matter
what math you use. Now that said, the rate of increase is way out of proportion
to what it should be… I completely agree that this points to something
systemic going on.Now the funny thing about mentioning college
students is we have two very highly rated universities in our area, and therefor
get lots of LDS young families - conservative families may I add - that live in
the area. The percentage of those families receiving assistance is huge. I
have nothing against them using the system as it is made available to
them… but these are hardly ambitionless people just looking for a handout.
In our ward they are mostly medical students.But that doesn't
fit the nice little narrative we have - now does it. Oh well…. they are
all good kids.
It's very difficult to glean much of a message from a tautology like
'where you live influences...(your chances of success)'. The report
seems almost supercilious -- as if one were trying to establish grounds for a
pre-conceived ideological position and unable to find any real substance.
Perhaps more emphasis on comparatively unavailable resources might have provided
information, but the title consumed that effort.
correlation is not causation
Having lived in very poor areas and in areas with great opportunities, I fully
agree with this article. As mentioned in this article, access to resources is
less in these neighborhoods. Businesses won't locate in poorer areas for
various reasons, which impacts health care, the availability of healthy food,
higher paying employments, access to books, and so forth. It can be difficult
for those living in these neighborhoods to access resources because they
can't afford transportation costs, thus continuing compounding the
difficulty of trying to overcome poverty. Those in inter-generational poverty
face increased challenges, including mental health issues from
trauma/abuse/neglect, not understanding the skills needed to overcome poverty,
an environment of instability, and so forth. Simply saying that they need to
learn how to work, they're "lemons," or their parents should have
taught them (how could they if they didn't know?) shows a lack of
understanding and compassion. Few people can make it out of a crisis without
some sort of support or help, including ourselves.
If I look at my life and all of my siblings' lives in comparison with my
parents' level of education and income we are all very similar. Most of us
are college graduates, we all have steady incomes with savings, we all own homes
and we are raising our children to be educated and to work hard. My husband is
very much like his father, working in the same field of engineering. My oldest
son is going to graduate from college this year and he has already purchased his
first home. None of us are what would be considered wealthy but we do well. I
think this shows that the reason poverty is perpetuated is that even though
people have choices and some can rise above their bad start in life, children
mostly emulate what they see their parents do or their parents' low
expectations leave them unmotivated to do more. It takes encouragement and
support from parents to get their children to do well in school or even attend
school. The zip code is just where they happen to live and perpetuate the
Location, Location, location is usually the choices the children parents make.
@TRUTH has some truth in what he says. 49.1% receive some kind of assistance
from the government, either food stamps, medicaid, welfare checks, and even
Social Security and medicare. What is deplorable is the alarming rate that the
food stamps percentage has risen, from 30% to 40% in 4 short years. And 50% of
those people applying for food stamps (and receiving them) are college students.
Of course, lack of jobs for college kids may have contributed to that number and
there isn't any relief in sight, unless current policies are
changed...cause it's quite obvious after six years of trying the current
administration's way, it isn't working very well.
As a part time liberal, and part time conservative, but one who lives in a town
with lots of long term poverty…. it is easy to see why it is so hard for
these kids to get ahead. Why you come from generations that have little more
than a middle school education themselves, it is hard for family to aspire to
higher ambitions when no one in their own group has ever achieved the promised
land. It becomes self fulfilling prophecy. It is the "world of
possible" that is severely distorted.The problem with welfare is
it does nothing to change this condition. Welfare does a good job of keeping
people fed, or with a roof over their head, but it does nothing to change a
mindset of defeat. My wife has been a teacher in many of the schools where
thees kids go - and it is sad to see them start out with all the same hopes and
dreams the other kids have - only to see them continually have their
expectations of what they can achieve slowly strangled and eventually disappear.
welfare can't fix that problem… that change comes from elsewhere...
Of course the situation you are raised in is going to influence how successful
you are in life. In this case location is synonymous with situation, as
locations group together people of like minded social and economic status.
Wealthy people are going to make sure that their children have the absolute best
education and the best opportunities for them to move forward in their lives.
Poor people, well either don't care or don't have the means to provide
the same opportunities to their children. Some kids are resilient and rise above
it anyway, many don't. Truth be told, many people on these comment boards
probably wouldn't either, though they take no small pleasure in looking
down upon those who got trapped in that downward spiral.This is why
we have public school, to provide opportunities to those children who otherwise
wouldn't have them, these days on here that's considered communism or
at the very least socialism. We also can't have a conversation on topics
like this without the tea party extremists accusing the media and the Deseret
News of subscribing to Obama's agenda and trying to brainwash us.
I grew up on the west side of SLC (just past I-15 and north of North Temple),
and most people I knew from there sank into drugs, poverty, crime, etc. Yes, my mom was a welfare mom, and through hard work, education, and
frankly, a lucky break, I got out of there. But I was cratering badly in high
school, when I reached out to my dad's family to get me out of there. It's terribly difficult to rise from that environment when all
around you (and in your home) that despair and way-of-life exists.A
few special teachers who reached out to me and encouraged me along the way, and
took the time to listen to a kid whose home life was hel* went a LONG way to
help give hope and encouragement.I'd suggest we do more to
reach out with positive messages of hope and honest friendship than simply spout
political rhetoric. Those in their youth didn't choose their environment,
and it takes someone showing a better way to show the way out.A hand
up... not a hand out. (although at times, we could all use help)
Thank you Weber State Graduate! You are exactly right.
"49% who dream to collect a steady welfare check!"And until
some people deal with real data, not made up, cleaver sounding sound
bites… and that is what they are intended to be is "bites"….
nothing will be resolved. 49% of Americans do not receive welfare checks.
This is a pure and simple falsehood… all intended to purport to some kind
of superiority. For crying out loud, some of the states that have
the highest welfare rates are so called conservative states. And it has
absolutely nothing to do with social engineering…. or mommy pants. It
has to do with the fact that they are largely agrarian states… area where
the economy has moved past people, whose skills are out of date.Just
to clear up some of the "miss-information" being spread here -
12,800,000 people receive welfare. That is 4.1% of the US populations. 38%
are white. 39% are black. 16% are hispanic. 47 million receive food
assistance. That is about 15%, mostly children via schools. That is no where
near 49%.When what you are saying right… you don't need
made up facts.
Poverty is more of a social and cultural phenomenon rather than a result of any
systemic roadblock to success. Being raised in poverty is a distinct
disadvantage, but not because the system itself actually blocks equal
opportunity.It is precisely the cyclical nature and intrinsic
cultural conditions of intergenerational poverty that contribute to its
transmission, which make it extremely difficult for children born in poverty to
experience any kind of vertical social mobility.This is where
liberal and progressive thinking get it wrong...that demonizing success and
implementing more bureaucratic welfare programs will elevate those in the lower
economic strata without any focus on the intrinsic nature of the problem.
@TRUTHI think we see who the actual shill is here. You
really think the 49% "dream to collect a steady welfare check?" Really?
If that is what you think, then you need to get out more. Many of those 49%
are the working poor. Many - if not most - would gladly do whatever it takes to
get off welfare. Yes, they'll even "take responsibility for their
lives." There's only so many high-paying jobs available. The factory
jobs were all sent overseas by capitalists who profited greatly by doing so -
all while wearing the little flag lapel pins. You can't ship
all the jobs to foreign countries, cut education funding, cut job training
programs, and then kick sand in the faces of the very people you took the
opportunities away from (see Paul Ryan's speech from last week). Please
explain where the 49% are supposed to get these great jobs to support their
families. Mom jeans. Is that supposed to be funny? It wasn't
funny the first time the Fox News "journalists" said it - and it still
isn't. New shtick, please.
Dauly, until the poor wake up and stop voting for shills like Obama/Clinton they
will continue to be poorer and the rich richer.....the 1% are not the problem,
its the 49% who dream to collect a steady welfare check!
@ Truth,I am not sure how improving school attendance and access to
health care is communism? Your statements need to be flipped on their head,
those who working don't have enough already. It is the wealthy who have too
much (top 1% own 35% of all wealth), and it is not from all the hard work they
have been doing. Please watch the Non Sequitor and get out of the Utah bubble to
see that it is all of us in the same boat, don't harsh on the destitute
just because you are merely poor.
Saying location determines a child's outcome is like saying an orchard
determines what kind of fruit comes off the tree. If you plant lemon trees, you
get lemons. You will never, ever get apples. All the symptomology described in
this article points to the breakdown of the family. The zip codes are merely
gathering points that facilitate the continuing decay. Coming from a family of
eight which lost a parent in adolescence to middle teens, I'm glad the
values and the worth of work we were taught while young saw all of us achieve
levels of success even though our early circumstances were austere. A very wise
man once said, "No other success can compensate for failure in the
home." Also, "The poorest shack in which love prevails over a united
family is of far greater value to God and future humanity than any other
riches." David O. McKay
You ain't seen poverty till you seen what high utility bills can do, and to
think that the city chose to have propane over natural gas, the high cost of a
phone co. over a cheaper one with more services then 10x the water bill over
night. when UP@L is adding 5% compounding every year. Then to think you got the
cost of gas to go any where. Now say you go to the store for grocery's,
what you got last month, you don't have enough money for this month. That
not even thinking about taxes that is going to be taken out of the pay check or
property taxes, insurance that has increased year after year. that 25 cent an
hour raise a year isn't going to go the distance. So there ain't any
money to be saved.
The present liberal admin makes it a defacto standard for all to assimulate
poverty,,,,,,all you have to do to qualify is vote democrat wear mom jeans and
espouse liberal media ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC and Hollywood and you will
receive a check owed to you because clearly those who work for a living have too
much! Clearly Comrades, the only solution is for all of us to
expect the "elite" to live poorer, more modest, austere lives and (I
almost hate to mention such an obvious point) the institution of a global
collectivist hegemony (i.e. "communism").Even the Dnews is
on board, foisting this kind of garbage reporting on the masses of conservatives
in our state! Time for a revolution!
Having worked through school and creating a skill makes a difference in escaping
the impacts of poverty.We all have the opportunity to succeed in