Interesting, most Byu fans on here to talk about Byu's chances against our
opponent Oregon. Why are there Utah fans on here? I have heard that Utah has a
game coming up against St. Mary's! Good luck to the Utes!!! I wonder how
many articles the Utah fans such as Chris B, have read and commented on in the
Gaels hometown newspaper?Go Cougs beat the Ducks!!! Rise Up!!!
Follow-up to my previous post."I intend to compare the odds on
all games in the NIT matching a 4 seed with a 5 seed. Anyone want to bet
Utah's odds will be the highest? Conversely, I intend to compare the odds
on all games in the NCAA matching a 10 seed with a 7 seed. Any bets on where the
Y's will fall? But regardless of the odds the ultimate test will be in the
teams performances!"The odds were as I expected - only not as
dramatic as I expected. In the NIT both St. Marys and San Francisco were 1
point favorites. (Note: both WCC teams.) Given that in both cases they are
playing with home court advantage, that probably means LSU and Utah are 3-4
point favorites on a neutral site. Georgetown was a 3.5 favorite and Green Bay
was a 6.5 point favorite.In the NCAA tournament (neutral sites)
Texas is a 1.5 favorite, New Mexico and Conn. are 4.5 point favorites. Oregon
had the most favorable odds at 5.5 pointsResults support my
expectations but prove next-to-nothing. As I said before - the proof will be
Please show me how many times BYU was considered the favorite in their first
round matchup.And then show me how many times they have been upset
in that first round matchup, wherein they were the higher seed and thus the
favorite. (And no, an 8 getting beat by a 9 is not considered an upset).If you can show me that BYU has often been the higher seed in the first
round, then we can rant about how often they have been 1-and-done. However,
when they are often the lower seed and expected to lose, then it is meaningless.
GoRedWEST VALLEY CITY, UT"NCAA can't ignore
BYU's tournament history"No, but there isn't much to
ponder about a history that includes mostly one-and-dones.
Even as a BYU fan, I think this is a silly article. What exactly is the
illustrious history of Bball at BYU? Rock lists some of our great players from
the past but honestly? We're best known for getting there and not going
too far once there. Maybe other teams like facing our history in that sense
because it makes advancing look a little more likely for their team. Sorry BYU
fans but I've got to call it the way it is. If BYU wants to take the next
step in Bball they need to break tradition not follow it.
"NCAA can't ignore BYU's tournament history"No,
but there isn't much to ponder about a history that includes mostly
It's interesting on this article on byu's making the NCAA Tournament
as a #10 seed, however perplexing that may be, that so many of byu's fan
base are obsessed with how Utah is doing. You guys really should be focusing on
Oregon, a decent team, but certainly beatable.
"History" review. The Y's most notable claim to fame is the school
with the most appearances to have never made it to the final 4! The elite 8?
Twice and an all time winning record in the 300's. Utah's winning
record is about 500 which is remarkable when you consider half the teams in the
tournament leave with a 0%. I intend to compare the odds on all
games in the NIT matching a 4 seed with a 5 seed. Anyone want to bet
Utah's odds will be the highest? Conversely, I intend to compare the odds
on all games in the NCAA matching a 10 seed with a 7 seed. Any bets on where
the Y's will fall? But regardless of the odds the ultimate test will be in
the teams performances!! In that regard, good luck to all Utah
teams not playing a PAC-12 opponent!
For the sake of accuracy, the selection committee is forbidden from considering
anything other than the current season in selecting teams for the tournament.A member of the committee being interviewed indicated that members
aren't shy about reminding other members of that fact in the rare instances
where someone brings up anything that happened before the current season.
I would have to agree with byus beat writer who was on 1280 this morning. He
said that byu did not deserve the 10th seed and it was an award for Wisconsin to
have byu as a 10th and Oregon as a 7th. As he put it,it will make it easier for
Wisconsin to advance in the tournament. He called for byu going one and done
(which is what their history is best known for) and Oregon getting beat in the
Collinsworth was such a touch player, so tough driving to the basket, a tough
rebounder, and defender. He was not a great shooter, but he didn't launch
shots foolishly either. I'm not sure how BYU does without him. Who takes
his place? Josh Sharp? If Sharp is the replacement, BYU is out of the tourney
before halftime. My pick would be to start Winder in his place, along with Haws,
Carlino, Mika and Austin...and hope the bigs can rebound and stay out of foul
trouble. Collinsworth cannot be replaced by anyone currently on the roster, so
Rose must change his game plan, work a different offense, and hope the shooters
get hot for the tournament.
@ jmn2dmb41:The selection committee does look at history for all
programs. Just not ancient history... like decades ago. And that's what it
takes for someone to remember when Utah was a recognized name in the national
college basketball scene. Their recent history is actually quite dismal...
something like twice in the past decade. BYU, on the other hand, has
been in the NCAA tournament 7 times in the last 9 years, and to the Sweet 16
just 3 years ago. And on one of the two years they didn't go, they made it
to the NIT semi-finals at Madison Square Garden in New York City. That truly is
much more impressive. Some of BYU's supposed fans are choosing
to currently look at the glass as being half full (putting an emphasis on not a
great NCAA tournament record), rather than celebrating the fact that they made
it to the Big Dance yet again. Only about 20% of all NCAA college basketball
programs do each year. So just getting there is feather in anyone's hat.
Doing so as often as BYU does puts that program in a very select tier. Enjoy that next game.
Its a awesome histry too.
My thoughts:1. BYU - got a very generous seed (but I'll take
that any day), given their few big wins and multiple bad losses. Without KC, I
think we get dismantled pretty easily.2. Utah - I don't know. I guess
I'd have to ask one of their fans or one of our trolls to find out how
their season has gone.
Duckhunter, I think Utah got what they earned. I, unlike some on here, can call
it like I see, and stay somewhat civil about it. The negativity from many BYU
backers certainly rivals that of any Ute backer. Wait, the "trolls" as
your fellow posters call them, are the only ones that say negative comments.
Utah will be back in the tournament soon, I think next year, and BYU may get
there again. I think it was quite fair this year. Sometimes it's OK to
take the high road. Your posts are frequently negative, so may I say, relax a
bit and smile. Your cougs are in, and you don't need to worry about the
@ QuackyPoster jmn2dmb41 is no more of a Utah fan than I'm a
BYU Fan. Don't take the bait from a fellow Coug that resides in the posh
suburb of Sammamish, WA (trust me, as a SEA native no "Utah Fans" can
afford or want to reside in that zip code). The majority of "Utah Fans"
are fine with the NIT Bid. The NC sched was put together to ensure W's and
instill confidence in a very young team. All part of the rebuild plan by the
Admin and Staff to get the program back to the respectability. BTW, if my
"Utah Fan/Grad" math is correct, Utah made it to the Sweet 16 nine years
ago, so even our worst decade in program history still isn't as abysmal at
the Y's overall tourney record. Good luck in MIL.
@jmn2dmb41What they abviously looked at was utah's more recent
history including how awful the program has been for the last decade, the
abysmal OOC schedule they played this year, and the fact they can't win a
game on the road. Far from "snubbing" utah they gave utah exactly what
they deserved which was no consideration whatsoever. Based on what BYU got and
what utah didn't the system obviously works quite well.
Bulking up with the brutal non-conference schedule was clearly the right
choice--I didn't realize how highly valued it would be by the selection
committee. Before Jimmer's senior year, BYU getting a seeding two or three
spots below what they likely deserved was like death and taxes. But not only
did they get a seeding higher than what I anticipated this year, they got a
rematch with a team they took to the limit on their home floor. Give
Collinsworth's minutes to FB4, and drown the Ducks!
Obviously the selection committee has ignored the University of Utah's
tournament history. We were snubbed. We had the same record as Colorado and
Arizona State and we even beat those teams. We even had a better record than
Stanford. They should have looked at our tournament history and selected us.
What a great break. I was expecting a First-Round (play-in) game at best.
Down under, With all respect to the Ute Players, they can blame it
on a weak administration that refused to play good non-conference games. The
PAC-12 teams didn't provide the Utes with good teams that Utah could beat.
The Utah athletic administration are cowards and wouldn't even play one
other Utah tax supported school, (because losing would shatter their moral). All the local teams got what they deserved and earned. BYU and Weber
State goes to the real dance, and due to a poor athletic administration, the Ute
Players have to go to a practice tournament.I wish all the local
teams and players well, and good luck! Go Cougs.
Go Cougs. Need to break the curse.Most all-time NCAA tournament
appearances without reaching the Final Four 25 -- BYU 23 -- Missouri
21 -- Xavier 19 -- Alabama 19 -- Utah State
BYU and March Madness...reminds me of my favorite line with Jerry Seinfeld at
the Car Rental desk: "You can MAKE the reservation but you can't HOLD
the reservation". We hold the record for GOING to the NCAA's and not
going anywhere. Only twice in 34 years. Pathetic. I love watching
conference tournament and March Madness games. What I see in other teams that I
don't see in BYU is almost a total lack of "stepping it up" a level
or two. Our guys just look so flat and uninspired. I like Dave Rose as a person,
but he's honestly done so poorly vs. ranked opponents and in the
post-season. I just wish our guys could somehow "catch the big picture"
here and get in a zone for the tournaments.
It seems like teams that make it to the tourney regularly (BYU) get a closer
look while teams that don't (utah) get passed by. Given that BYU and utah
had similar records it all came down to who historically has the better program
and who played the tougher schedule. The NCAA got it right on both counts.Go COugs.