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  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    March 18, 2014 5:14 p.m.

    UU

    "Then let the record speak:"

    BYU - NCAA tournament bound with the 39th seed overall.
    Utah - NIT bound with the 20th seed in the NIT, 88th seed overall.

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    Uteology

    It's cherry picking when you selectively pick stats covering only part of the season.

    BYU is ranked #32 because they built a 23-11 record versus the 17th toughest SOS.
    Utah is ranked #79 because they built a 21-11 record versus the 104th toughest SOS.

    BETTER record with a tougher schedule = NCAA bid for BYU
    POORER record with an easier schedule = NIT bid for Utah

    The records speak for themselves.

  • baddog Cedar Rapids, IA
    March 18, 2014 5:05 p.m.

    If arrogance were sea water, we could float an aircraft carrier on what's posted about BYU and Utah teams.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    March 18, 2014 2:37 p.m.

    MUSSing with U
    Baltimore, MD
    The misplaced arrogance of Utah fans is laughable.

    You do realize, don't you, that the mighty weak Utes were seeded in the LOWER half of the NIT, behind Saint Mary's?

    That tells you all you need to know about what the experts really think about Utah on a national scale.

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    #10 BYU vs #7 Oregon

    Good to see you finally admitting that BYU is no match for the Pac 12.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    March 18, 2014 2:33 p.m.

    Just Wondering...
    Gilbert, AZ
    ...how could the WCC give SMC a home game? Haven't they heard that the Huntsman Center is a PAC 12 venue? Don't the Gaels play in a "high school" gym? Perhaps they looked at actual attendance instead of just empty red seats available?

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    What an idiotic remark.

    In attendance, Utah quadrupled St Mary's all season long.

    You lose. Little brother.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 18, 2014 12:31 a.m.

    Marked it Down
    Park City, UT

    Uteology

    "Utah went 6-3 in the 2nd half of the PAC-12 season and 1-1 in the tournament. During that period, Utah went 2-2 on the road and 1-1 at neutral sites in the tournament."

    U must be perpetually dizzy from your constant spin.

    Utah beat #170 USC and #62 California on the road, before barely squeaking past #101 Washington and getting blown off the floor in Las Vegas by Arizona, while setting a new PAC 12 tourney record for futility.

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    Saying a team is 7-4, 3-3 on the road is not spin, it's called facts.

    I see in your fact finding mission you ignored that #40 Stanford also "squeaked" by Utah, as did #101 at Washington, as did #31 Colorado, as did #44 ASU all on the road. But all you want to focus on is the road win that Utah barely won?

  • UU Provo, UT
    March 17, 2014 11:37 p.m.

    @deductive reasoning "The record speaks for itself: BYU was a much better team"

    Then let the record speak:
    Utah handed BYU their worst loss of the season
    Utah has a 1000 winning percentage in the WCC while BYU is .722
    Utah was .500 in PAC12 play while BYU was .333
    Utah's best win #20 UCLA, BYU best win unranked Gonzaga
    Utah's worst losses WSU & Washington, BYU worst losses Loyola Mary, Pepperdine, Portland, Pacific

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 17, 2014 11:27 p.m.

    Utah overachieved this season. BYU fans, why should you care enough to comment on this thread considering Utah was not expected to win as many conference games as they did? The loss to Arizona in the tournament was not as shocking as the fact that Utah held their own twice against the Wildcats.

    It is remarkable that all of you seemed to have higher expectations of Utah than the more realistic Ute fan base. Utah was not expected to go to the NCAA tournament this year or place as high as they did in the final standings.

    As for the seeding in the NIT, who really cares. BYU is seeded 10th and many of your own fan base agrees they have no business being seeded that high. NCAA tourney brackets are notorious for getting blown up after the first round of games, which is why the games are played. St. Mary's won more games than Utah, therefore they got the higher seed.

    Let's all continue this dialog after the games this week and see how things come out, shall we? I'm predicting a smaller turnout by all the Cougar fans later in the week.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 17, 2014 11:17 p.m.

    @Marked it Down

    U must be perpetually dizzy from your constant spin.

    Utah beat #170 USC and #62 California on the road, before barely squeaking past #101 Washington and getting blown off the floor in Las Vegas by Arizona, while setting a new PAC 12 tourney record for futility.

    btw, #62 California, ranked lower than #60 Saint Mary's, is the ONLY Top 100 team Utah beat away from the HC during the entire season.

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    And we lost at #208 Washington State and #101 Washington during the first half of PAC-12 play. We squeaked by #101 Washington but you forgot to mention #31 Colorado, #40 Stanford, and #44 ASU squeaked by Utah. So what?

    What's your point? Are you claiming that Utah wasn't any better in the 2nd half of the season by going 7-4 including 3-3 away from the HC?

    Utah was competitive in every game this year but two, Arizona and UCLA.

  • CA. reader Rocklin, CA
    March 17, 2014 9:25 p.m.

    Saint Mary's is not all that good this year. I expect Utah will win but not easily because they will be playing on the road and the refs tend to give SMC every break.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    March 17, 2014 8:03 p.m.

    Good luck to the U in the NIT. Great prep for your next season.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    March 17, 2014 7:33 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Utah went 6-3 in the 2nd half of the PAC-12 season and 1-1 in the tournament. During that period, Utah went 2-2 on the road and 1-1 at neutral sites in the tournament."

    U must be perpetually dizzy from your constant spin.

    Utah beat #170 USC and #62 California on the road, before barely squeaking past #101 Washington and getting blown off the floor in Las Vegas by Arizona, while setting a new PAC 12 tourney record for futility.

    btw, #62 California, ranked lower than #60 Saint Mary's, is the ONLY Top 100 team Utah beat away from the HC during the entire season.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 17, 2014 6:20 p.m.

    @Old But Not Stupid

    "So 2-4 (in Conf) or 3-5 (if you include Vegas is "finding ways to win on the road.""

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    Wrong!

    Utah went 6-3 in the 2nd half of the PAC-12 season and 1-1 in the tournament. During that period, Utah went 2-2 on the road and 1-1 at neutral sites in the tournament. So overall 7-4. So I have no idea where you got your numbers from.

    SMC is no Arizona, nor are they the #5 defense in the nation. I highly doubt they can stop Wright. Loveridge has struggled on the road regardless of team.

    If he doesn't show up then I see a close loss on the road, like all year long.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    March 17, 2014 6:03 p.m.

    UU

    Despite your cherry-picked conference "records", there's no denying reality

    #32 BYU(23-11) #17 SOS, 8-7(53%) vs TOP 100 Teams, 10th seed, 39th overall in the Big Dance

    #79 Utah(21-11) #104 SOS, 5-936%) vs Top 100 Teams, 5th seed, 20th overall in the NIT

    The record speaks for itself: BYU was a much better team overall.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2014 5:37 p.m.

    @ Sagacious

    Conference wins are more important than non-conf. wins, especially when he non-conf. team is a mid-major. Therefore, wins against USC, Cal, UCLA, CU, etc. are ALL bigger than the win over BYU. Also, I rarely, if ever, post about the BYU game. And I never do unless it has already been brought up.

  • UU Provo, UT
    March 17, 2014 5:25 p.m.

    @ogmson "Remember ute fans, the only game your mediocre team can get up for is BYU.....also the biggest win of the 2013/2014 year"

    Actually, Utah's wins over UCLA, Colorado and ASU we're much bigger than the walk in park over BYU (81-64). Utah has a better record that BYU in both the WCC and the PAC12.

  • Objectified Tooele, UT
    March 17, 2014 5:24 p.m.

    @ Stinger Bell:

    That's actually as close to the PAC12 as many Cougar fans care to get. After seeing how Utah is still way over their heads in that conference... especially in football, and still in the bottom tier in basketball... being in the PAC12 isn't yet worth it. Especially if all you have to show for it are little stickers.

    It's interesting, and a bit sad, how supportive Ute fans have shifted much of their allegiance from their team to their conference. Their team can't cut it, so they talk up their conference affiliation. That truly doesn't impress many people. Being a competitive team in a mid-level conference seems preferable to being uncompetitive in a bigger conference.

    As far as I know, Utah has yet to finish in the top half of any major sport since joining the PAC12. To deflect attention away from that, online fans often just talk about how tough their conference is, rather than admitting they're still over their heads.

    When that gets pointed out, they sometimes come back with something so trite as "Yea, we're bad. But we're part of a prestigious conference." How pathetic.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2014 5:19 p.m.

    My goodness, byu fans are a classy bunch.

    So the Utes, whose program has been in the dumpster for 6 years and goes 9-9 in a conference that sends 6 (count'em SIX) teams to the tourney, is headed to the NIT. This Utah fan sees Utah's NIT bid as a demonstration of how far the program has come.

    Coach K continues to work his magic!

    Go Utes...make some noise in the NIT!!

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2014 4:52 p.m.

    2fer

    "Utah beat UCLA, and won 9 other conference games (including UW in the tournament). That makes BYU the 11th biggest win of the year for Utah."

    Living in denial.

    BYU was easily the 3rd biggest win of the year for Utah, barely behind Colorado.

    Utah's Top 100 RPI Wins
    #14 UCLA
    #31 Colorado
    #32 BYU
    #44 ASU
    #62 @California

    Versus RPI Top 100
    BYU 8-7, including FIVE road/neutral wins
    Utah 5-9, with only ONE road/neutral win

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    March 17, 2014 4:40 p.m.

    The misplaced arrogance of Utah fans is laughable.

    You do realize, don't you, that the mighty weak Utes were seeded in the LOWER half of the NIT, behind Saint Mary's?

    That tells you all you need to know about what the experts really think about Utah on a national scale.

    Utah simply got lucky that they caught BYU at home on an off night with Loveridge shooting lights out to start the game. You can live in denial if it helps you sleep at night, but everybody knows that BYU would have stomped the hapless road Utes in a return visit to the Marriott Center where the Utes have NEVER beaten BYU during the Dave Rose era.

  • Concinnity Tooele, UT
    March 17, 2014 4:38 p.m.

    People put too much stock in the fact St Marys lost to Gonzaga multiple times this year and badly. But Utah is not Gonzaga or even close, unless they are in the Huntsman Center. They can then be quite impressive. But St Marys has had some impressive wins, as well.

    Utah probably won't be playing in the Huntsman Center again this season. And they don't play nearly as well on the road, as we witnessed in their last game. To lose by 30+ points to any team in the nation is a total embarrassment. If that same team shows up tomorrow, St Marys will win going away. But that's a big if. No one knows which Utah team will show up tomorrow.

    Every team is better at home than on the road. And St Marys will be at home tomorrow. Granted it's a small gym. But Utah has lost in small gyms before. And St Marys has beat some very good teams in their small gym.

    Someone else mentioned that both teams played at Boise this season. St Marys won. Utah lost. That doesn't bode well for Utah. So their fans shouldn't talk smack yet.

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    March 17, 2014 4:13 p.m.

    ex patria cougar
    Australia, 00
    It's tournament time:

    Utes -- Welcome to the WCC.

    BYU -- Welcome to the Pac-12

    Hilarious.

    Enjoy it while you can. Unfortunately, that's as close to the PAC 12 you will ever get.

  • Sagacious Logan, UT
    March 17, 2014 4:09 p.m.

    @ Two for Flinching:

    If the BYU win was their 11th biggest win, then why did almost all Ute fans obviously get more excited about that particular win than any other? And Ute fans (like you) comment way more about the BYU game than any other of the season... by far! That game was played months ago and you and many other Utes are still here today commenting about it. You're even hilariously trying to downplay it. Not fooling anyone.

    If Utah's next game was on the road, I'd put money on them. But on the road, they've shown almost no consistency. That's a fact. They played Arizona really tough in SLC. But on the road against the same team, they got completely blown off the court. They are often like 2 different teams when at home versus out on the road. Honestly, it's very hard to know what to actually expect.

    Saint Marys is a little bit the same way. Sometimes they play really great basketball. Then two games later, one wonders if they're the same team. This game is extremely difficult to predict. Both teams have the potential to win going away.

  • DraperUteFan Draper, UT
    March 17, 2014 3:06 p.m.

    For Utah to gain some confidence heading into next year, they need to win several games in the NIT. The extra practice is much needed as are some off season weight room sessions by every player on the roster, especially Delon Wright and Loveridge. The games they struggled in were teams who played them very physical. They won't progress until they become much more physical.

    As for BYU versus Oregon, the first game Haws torched the Ducks and Collinsworth had a nice game. No Collinsworth means the Ducks will double team Haws and make someone else on that roster try to beat them. The Ducks are precisely the kind of team BYU has struggled against in the tournament...long, athletic, and quick. Without an inside threat and the Ducks entire defensive strategy geared to shutting down Haws, BYU will struggle on offense and we know their defense isn't great. A double digit Duck win wouldn't be surprising.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    March 17, 2014 2:46 p.m.

    Comments such as Dave M's in Sammamish always bring a smile to my lips.
    "We won almost all of our pre season games and half of our prestigious Pac12 games. The selection committee should have looked at our NCAA Tournament history and seen that we went all the way to the final game once."

    I thought everyone knew that strength of OOC schedule was a deal-breaker for teams on the margin. So winning 50% of your games because of the PAthetiC portion of the PAC-12--USC, OreSt, and Wazzu--did not impress anyone but the diehard portion of the crimson crew.

    As for programs' tournament history, final fours 15 years ago or championship 70 years ago do not matter to the selection committee.

    Good luck at SMC. That high school gym could be treacherous.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2014 2:41 p.m.

    @ ogmson

    Utah beat UCLA, and won 9 other conference games (including UW in the tournament). That makes BYU the 11th biggest win of the year for Utah.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    March 17, 2014 2:05 p.m.

    Uteology

    "What the last 6 away games show is that Utah is now finding ways to win on the road, which they couldn't do at the start of the season."

    So 2-4 (in Conf) or 3-5 (if you include Vegas is "finding ways to win on the road."

    You also say if Loveridge shows up U win. What about the disappearing act (5 pts?) by your old "stat sheet stuffer"? He better show up too.

  • jdub1942 PROVO, UT
    March 17, 2014 2:03 p.m.

    "Take out the 12 Jr. College teams you played, you are 10/12!!"

    You do realize that 10/12 being a fraction, is the same thing as a W-L record of 10-2 right?

  • Utah, We want our money back PAC Country, CA
    March 17, 2014 1:53 p.m.

    The big brother is in the big dance and the little sister is in the NIT. All is right in the world.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 17, 2014 1:47 p.m.

    CougarSunDevil

    "I don't cheer for Utah. BUT, I do hope they do well."

    Hmmm, hoping a team does does well but laughing hysterically when they lose? Don't worry, we know who you are.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    March 17, 2014 1:43 p.m.

    Tomahawk Red-
    "Can't wait. The fun starts Tuesday. The dessert comes Friday." What or who is dessert? Can't be BYU...they play Thursday.

    And ".. rather than a 'pretend' member of the Pac 12 for 40 minutes.

    As an observer I'd have to say that your comment is "Pathetic. And totally little brotherish." No cougar fan suggests being in the PAC for 40 minutes.

    Hope my Bruins keep improving.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 17, 2014 1:42 p.m.

    @DSB

    Let's revisit this after the game. Having an educated opinion and being "delusional" are two totally differen't things. Watching St. Mary's vs Gonzaga 3 times this years was enough for me. They got slaughtered every time. I guess we will find out soon enough.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 17, 2014 1:24 p.m.

    @CougandSundevil

    One thread you wish you good luck, and the next thread you are taking shots at them. Just because your teams went 1-2 vs. Utah in Hoops is no reason to be bitter. Or be bitter, but at least be consistent.

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    March 17, 2014 1:22 p.m.

    Facing reality, many college teams are night and day different at home and on the road. I understand a little differential, but the huge gap for many teams is a mystery to me. Sure Utah walloped BYU in Salt Lake City, but chances are pretty good the result would have been equally lopsided in BYU's favor for a game played in Provo. BYU is wildly inconsistent, sometimes terrible on the road, and Utah is not one bit better, probably worse to some extent, hence the difference in national rankings. Both are pretty darn good at home.

    Anyone thinking St. Mary's on the road will be a "walk in the park" for Utah, or that Utah will win "going away" is delusional. It's a winnable game, as long as Utah breaks their pattern and plays closer to they way they play at home. But they rarely play that way on the road, so the predictions of a rout are pretty silly, and if they play a typical road game, a loss is the most predictable result.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 17, 2014 12:58 p.m.

    motorbike

    "And to think we all believed you when you said you rooted for Utah."

    I'm sorry, when did I EVER say I root for Utah? I've been saying that the state of Utah should cheer for both teams, because it makes them look better, but if you notice, I'm not in the State of Utah. I don't cheer for Utah. BUT, I do hope they do well. However, My comment that you referenced, "I'm going to laugh hysterically if Utah loses to St. Mary's." is in response to all the Ute fans who say Utah is going to win by 20 points, high school gym, etc. etc. So yeah, I'm going to laugh hysterically if Utah loses.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 17, 2014 12:53 p.m.

    CougarSunDevil

    "I'm going to laugh hysterically if Utah loses to St. Mary's."

    And to think we all believed you when you said you rooted for Utah as well as your Cougs and Sun Devils. I'm feeling so hurt and betrayed right now ... hahaha.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 17, 2014 12:50 p.m.

    Once again, Utah attempts to stand on the shoulders of others while providing nothing to reinforce the "prestigious" of the "Prestigious PAC-12 Conference"

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 17, 2014 12:50 p.m.

    ogmson

    "Take out the 12 Jr. College teams you played, you are 10/12!!"

    And if you take out the 13 high school victories BYU had, your team would be 10/11. And that's being kind since one could argue that USU was a cupcake this year as well.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    March 17, 2014 12:46 p.m.

    I'm going to laugh hysterically if Utah loses to St. Mary's.

  • ogmson Mapleton, Utah
    March 17, 2014 11:28 a.m.

    I expect the beat down at the hands of St Mary's will be close to the beat down by UofA, 20 plus for sure.

    Remember ute fans, the only game your mediocre team can get up for is BYU.....also the biggest win of the 2013/2014 year. Take out the 12 Jr. College teams you played, you are 10/12!!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 17, 2014 11:25 a.m.

    It's hilarious watching the obsessive Cougar fans jump on a comment thread like this to belittle the Utes and their fans. You'd think from the comments here that that the 8th place Utes were just dominated in the Pac 12 ... yet in reality they would've finished 3rd with just one more made basket which they had a chance at in several games. Chances are good as well that the Utes would be in the NCAA tourney had that happened.
    But it happened the way it happened and it's part of the learning process for this team. So here we are and I'm not complaining about the NIT bid, nor do I care what seed Utah is. In fact, I was hoping Utah would NOT get awarded with a home game. The next step in the progression of this team is to get out on the road and pick up some wins. Saint Mary's won't be a pushover but they're certainly beatable ... perfect for what this Utah needs at this time.
    Go Utes!

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 17, 2014 11:10 a.m.

    Funny how all the TDS fans want to rag on the Utes when the Utes own them in Football and Basketball. Feeling like a little brother are you? Say how's that Deseret Duel coming along? Has your school earned ten points yet?

  • Mikhail ALPINE, UT
    March 17, 2014 10:32 a.m.

    There is no doubt that Utah took it to the Cougars this year in their single game.

    The Cougars did well in match up with St. Mary's this year.

    It will be interesting to see how that match-up between the Utes and St. Mary's plays out.

    I am thinking that the Utes might find that the WCC is not the weak sister conference that their fans wish it was. St. Mary's knows how to play some ball and for the Utes to go to play in a gymnasium that will remind them of their high school days may cause some mind adjustment to occur.

    Fun time of the year!

  • Dave Matthews Sammamish, WA
    March 17, 2014 10:21 a.m.

    The NCAA snubbed the Utes. We had a better record than Stanford and we beat Stanford. We also had the same record as Colorado and Arizona State. We play in the prestigious Pac12 and we beat every team except Arizona which is the best team in the west. We won almost all of our pre season games and half of our prestigious Pac12 games. The selection committee should have looked at our NCAA Tournament history and seen that we went all the way to the final game once. Our best pre season win was against the BYU who made it into the NCAA. We beat the Cougars and the Cougars beat the St. Marys twice so this should be a walk in the park game for us.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 17, 2014 10:03 a.m.

    @BYU9293

    My mistake, you are correct. I looked at the SCU symbol under there schedule and assumed it was USC. St. Mary's hasn't played anyone from the PAC 12. As a matter of fact, they only played one team from top conference (Big 10, PAC 12, Big East, ACC, SEC), a loss to South Carolina. The only common opponent would be BYU. Utah beat BYU; St. Mary's lost to them twice. I know what I'm talking about, but certainly made an error in this case. Good catch. More than any of that, I base my position on having watched Gonzaga crush St. Mary's 3 times this year. I could be wrong, but I see the Utes beating the Gaels.

  • BYU9293 Clinton, UT
    March 17, 2014 9:43 a.m.

    To Spokane Ute, just a correction, the only common opponents for St. Mary's and Utah were byu and boise st. The usc that St. Mary's played was south Carolina, not Southern Cal. So, also, St. Mary's only played byu twice, not three times. so the actual record is 2-1 and 1-2, with the difference being the game against byu at byu. Let's just get the facts correct here. It is never good to talk smack and not know what you are talking about.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    March 17, 2014 9:32 a.m.

    The Utes and their Pac-12 facility was beat out by WCC high school gym? Priceless....

  • BYU9293 Clinton, UT
    March 17, 2014 9:30 a.m.

    To some posters, the post about byu playing a pac12 team and Utah playing a wcc team and that being hilarious was not meant as a jab to either team, just funny irony, at least that is how I took it. I think the Utes will win this one. St. Mary's has really been struggling and the Utes have been playing better. If they win, then they play the #1 seed on the road, but anything can happen. It is true, the utes have been playing better on the road as the season went on, but only played one road non-conference game. Wonder what might have happened if the utes had played a tougher schedule out of conference. I wish the Utes luck and all the teams from Utah playing. I hope they all compete hard and represent their school well.

  • Unbiased1979 dallas, TX
    March 17, 2014 9:13 a.m.

    This is a nice setup for the Utes. I think people forget the Utes are still rebuilding the program andb its great the Utes get to play a very winable road game. Let's face it, like most young teams, the Utes need to learn how to win on the road and they have a good opportunity to do that. I'm a cougar fan, but still root for the Utes and am looking forward to some good battles in the coming years between both teams, who have some great recruiting classes coming in for the next few years.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    March 17, 2014 8:55 a.m.

    So...uh...why is the WCC team with the high school gym awarded the home game and not the pac12 team with the "big" arena?

    lol

  • BenMcall Taylorsville, UT
    March 17, 2014 8:46 a.m.

    The WCC is not a weak conference. They might not be as good as the PAC-12 which is a Super Conference, but the NCAA selection committee recognized the WCC as being a tough conference by weighing in on all of the factors. At the start of their regular season, ALL WCC teams posted winning records. During the regular season anyone could, and did, beat anyone on any given night. Utah should be able to squeak by St. Mary's. Maybe in overtime like Oregon did over BYU in their first meeting.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    March 17, 2014 8:42 a.m.

    Downunder:

    Let's look back just a few days--

    "Down under
    Salt Lake City, UT
    kinda doubt it. They are WCI bound but should get a #1 SEED"

    Well, that's 0-2 on your predictions. I'm pretty sure the crow has been served up on your breakfast table.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 17, 2014 8:13 a.m.

    @Uteology:

    BYU to the dance--Utes Not In Tournament (NIT)

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    March 17, 2014 8:11 a.m.

    Nice post Cougsndawgs. You seem like a great fan. Let's get together some time and drink a rootbeer.

    Go Utes! Go Wildcats, Wolverines, and Cougars!

  • UtesBy5 Syracuse, UT
    March 17, 2014 8:09 a.m.

    @Cougsndawgs:

    While I agree with you that fans from our state should support all Utah schools, I'm having trouble understanding how Utah fans are any different than BYU fans. You refer to Utah fans posting classless comments yet fans of BYU do the same thing. I'd bet that if you counted the number of classless comments posted from each fan base on the DN, you'd find more BYU fans posting classless comments. Regardless, I wish the DN would put a stop to the negativity.

  • UtesBy5 Syracuse, UT
    March 17, 2014 7:59 a.m.

    @Just Wondering...

    "...how could the WCC give SMC a home game? Haven't they heard that the Huntsman Center is a PAC 12 venue? Don't the Gaels play in a "high school" gym? Perhaps they looked at actual attendance instead of just empty red seats available?"

    Attendance must not have been the deciding factor since Utah averaged over 10,000 fans per home game and St. Mary's arena is only 3,800 seats...

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    March 17, 2014 7:39 a.m.

    JohninSLC:
    You are right. Both fanbases get nasty. It makes for a great rivalry. I actually am a Utah supporter in basketball and always cheer for them, but I know that all fans can't do that. I've seen more Utah bball games live than BYU games, and I've always liked Utah since Mannion, Chambers years. I just wish both fanbases could be a little classier at times. You don't have to like your rival but the childish kindergarten name calling and stereotyping are getting old and tarnish what is otherwise a great rivalry.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 17, 2014 7:38 a.m.

    @Phantom Blade

    The same thing that happened to BYU when they played at Loyola Marymount, Portland and Pacific. I"m sure you realize that UCLA, the PAC 12 Post season Champs, also lost in Pullman.

    Speaking of interesting tid bits; let's look at common opponents instead of playing selective bias games; shall we?

    Utah went 3-0 vs USC and BYU

    @JohninSLC

    You are spot on!
    St. Mary's went 0-4 USC and BYU

    As always, we won't mention the BYU-Utah game. Oh heavens no, anything but that.

    School is in session.

  • Just Wondering... Gilbert, AZ
    March 17, 2014 7:36 a.m.

    ...how could the WCC give SMC a home game? Haven't they heard that the Huntsman Center is a PAC 12 venue? Don't the Gaels play in a "high school" gym? Perhaps they looked at actual attendance instead of just empty red seats available?

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    March 17, 2014 7:17 a.m.

    Go Gaels!

  • UPAC12 Colorado Springs , CO
    March 17, 2014 7:12 a.m.

    Since Utah already crushed BYU we should beat St Mary...of course it does not always work that way.

    Utah will be a monster next year, the Utes featured 5 Sophomores in their regular rotation this year and they were strong in one of the best conferences in the nation not to mention they have a ESPN TOP 50 recruit joining them next year. If basketball teams were a stock, Utah would be a HUGE BUY!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    March 17, 2014 6:23 a.m.

    Sour grapes much? Too funny.

  • Ken Lee Pasadena, CA
    March 17, 2014 2:36 a.m.

    the Utes are sniffing the cougars feet again…always hoping…always disappointed….you going to point to the PAC12 is good so maybe that sorta kinda means the Utes are good too? even though your schedule paled in comparison to BYUs….you can beat BYU and still no one gives you any cred…you jokers stay north of the point of the mountain, please…St Mary's tiny gym is preferred over the Huntsman…at least St Mary's can fill there gym.

  • Brent T. Aurora CO Aurora, CO
    March 17, 2014 2:27 a.m.

    Given all the "name" bias that goes on with east coast schools and what little respect is afforded the mountain time zone all year round, would normally be excited for BYU (alumni), Weber State and the Utes -- rooting for all three. But following the state of Utah here in the DN and SLT,and reading all the garbage comments from Ute fans, hope for (and expect) a loss to St. Marys.

  • But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2014 1:06 a.m.

    I am sooooooo glad that there are people in the NCAA seeding the teams that have a better grasp on basketball reality than u fans on the hill that think utah should have been in the big dance with their pacthethic occ schedule. Conference afiliation means nothing at this point. The pac is weaker than most people think and it will show as the tourney wears on.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2014 12:19 a.m.

    Funny how a wcc twam could be seeded higher than the mighty pac 12. I guess there are few usties that will have to eat their words. Houston, the crow has landed...on the hill.

    Big brother goes to the big dance while the little brother goes to the little boys dance

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    March 16, 2014 11:48 p.m.

    Talk about arrogant overconfidence. Did you forget you are playing on the road because some group doesn't think you're that good. U lose in Moraga! Write it up.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 16, 2014 11:17 p.m.

    Vegasbob
    North Las Vegas, NV

    @ uteology

    I guess if you throw out all of the other road games and just count the last 6 you can get to 3 and 3 in road/neutral site games. Most people look at an entire season.

    ---------------

    If you look at the entire season you will see Utah was only overwhelmed once on the road, at UCLA. Is SMC as good as UCLA? Nope!

    What the last 6 away games show is that Utah is now finding ways to win on the road, which they couldn't do at the start of the season.

    Utah has a great chance to win this game, it all depends on Loveridge.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 16, 2014 11:04 p.m.

    Snack PAC
    Olympus Cove, Utah

    Uteology

    "We already have... [shown how weak the WCC really is..."

    BYU IN the Big Dance.
    Utah on the outside looking in.

    Yes, you really showed them, didn't you?

    -----------------

    Utah is the #8 team in the PAC-12. Name another conference where the #8 team in the conference is in the big dance.

    And you really showed us...

    * 2 WCC teams in the tournament with #8 and #10 seeds

    * WCC 1-5 vs PAC-12 ... chance to go 3-5? 2-6? 1-7?

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 16, 2014 10:38 p.m.

    "I have no lost love for your fans (well some of them anyway)."

    CnD:

    Read the vitriolic comments from some of the Y "fans" and you'll know that goes both ways.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 16, 2014 10:35 p.m.

    @GoRed

    IMO we have nothing to prove at home. We most likely would have thumped SMC at home by double digits.

    So I am not disappointed, I think it's more important that these players learn to compete on the road. In particularity Loveridge has been MIA on the road all year. This is his opportunity to step up, I hoping he does.

    Go UTES!!

  • Vegasbob North Las Vegas, NV
    March 16, 2014 10:31 p.m.

    @ uteology

    I guess if you throw out all of the other road games and just count the last 6 you can get to 3 and 3 in road/neutral site games. Most people look at an entire season.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    March 16, 2014 10:29 p.m.

    Ha ha ha!

    This is beautiful.

    Two guarantees:

    1) Utah will pound this Division-3 pseudo-NCAA squad right into their very own home floor, on full view in front of all 3,500 fans. Easy win by 10+

    2) Oregon will fully expose BYU for the paper tigers they are, obliterating them by 20+ and probably forcing the NCAA committee into an apology for the rest of the field.

    Can't wait. The fun starts Tuesday. The dessert comes Friday.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    March 16, 2014 10:24 p.m.

    ex patria cougar
    Australia, 00
    It's tournament time:

    Utes -- Welcome to the WCC.

    BYU -- Welcome to the Pac-12

    Hilarious.

    -------------------

    Sure is.

    If it makes you feel better playing a Pac 12 program in the tourney, and that makes you feel like a real member of the Pac 12, fine. Enjoy that.

    As for me, I'd rather be an official full member of the Pac 12, fully recognized by everyone in college basketball... rather than a 'pretend' member of the Pac 12 for 40 minutes.

    Pathetic. And totally little brotherish.

    LOL

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    March 16, 2014 10:21 p.m.

    this could be ugly, i mean Ugly. not much to gain, but a lot to lose. mostly pride.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 16, 2014 10:02 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    So what happened to the Utes in Pullman?

    #219 Washington State isn't nearly as good as #60 Saint Mary's.

    Here's a couple more interesting tidbits:

    Dec 3 Utah at Boise State L 67-69
    Dec 14 Saint Mary's at Boise State W 82-74

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    March 16, 2014 9:58 p.m.

    SpokaneUte:
    I don't agree that Utah wins this going away. If it were at the HC I'd agree but not on the road. It really comes down to Stephen Holt...if Utah allows him to get going with the inside outside game with Waldo it might not turn out well for the Utes.

    Good luck to the Utes, Woverines, Wildcats, and Cougars! Some fans have enough class to wish ALL local teams success.

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    March 16, 2014 9:44 p.m.

    Despite all the digs against this Utah team by the BYU faithful, this is a huge accomplishment for Utah! The program was in the toilet just 3 years ago with a new coach and very few talented recruits. From 6 wins to 15 to 21 is a testament to the excellence of the coaching staff and the hard work of the current players.

    I'm disappointed with the 5 seed because I wanted to see them host a home game but happy that they are back in post-season play. This will be a good test for this young team and hopefully a springboard for a better season next year.

    GO UTES!!!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 16, 2014 9:39 p.m.

    Uteology

    "We already have... [shown how weak the WCC really is..."

    BYU IN the Big Dance.
    Utah on the outside looking in.

    Yes, you really showed them, didn't you?

    As many were saying last November, Utah killed their NCAA chances before the season even began by scheduling one of the weakest non-conference schedules in the country.

  • Vegasbob North Las Vegas, NV
    March 16, 2014 9:38 p.m.

    Apparently at least the number 4 team in the WCC ranks above the number 8 team in the PAC 12. How does that happen.

  • CougOrUte..Naah Nibley, UT
    March 16, 2014 9:32 p.m.

    Congratulations to the Utes, they should go deep into the tournament. No excuses if they don't.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    March 16, 2014 9:32 p.m.

    BYU swept the Gaels 84-71 at home and 60-57 on the road, so if the Utes are really as good as they keep saying they are Utah should win this one easily.

    Then again, the Utes also expected to beat Arizona in Las Vegas.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    March 16, 2014 9:29 p.m.

    Ouch...some folks who like to mock the "high school gyms" in the WCC aren't going to appreciate the irony of the NIT picking one of those gyms over the Huntsman Center.

    Frankly, it is surprising since the NIT is known to grant home games based on the likely attendance (read revenue generation) and it was widely reported that Utah made a pitch for a home game.

    In any event, good luck to the Utes.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    March 16, 2014 9:22 p.m.

    Wow, a 5th seed on the road against a team that Utah better not overlook? I guess the NIT wasn't as impressed with Utah as all the hacks on the PAC12 network that picked them to play Arizona tight and fight for an NCAA berth. I'm a Utah basketball supporter but I get real sick of some of their fans, who incessantly haggle and exhibit all manner of vitriol against my Cougs. I want every Ute fan to back up their words on BYUs article...all the "one and done" garbage. When BYU beats your "prestigious" Ducks, y'all better come back and take your medicine (ya right, I'll wait til pigs fly).

    Good luck Utes, but I have no lost love for your fans (well some of them anyway).

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2014 9:20 p.m.

    @ worf

    They don't have to. It's been done for them over the course of the season.

    Still, I hope Utah can get another road win and put a little run in the NIT together.

    Go Utes!

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    March 16, 2014 9:11 p.m.

    Worf, the PAC 12 will improve the 7-2 record for PAC 12 over wcc teams this year

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    March 16, 2014 9:10 p.m.

    Opening on the road doesn't sound like a #2 seed.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    March 16, 2014 9:09 p.m.

    W

  • USNGary San Diego, CA
    March 16, 2014 9:05 p.m.

    It is a road game, probably loose in the high school gym.

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    March 16, 2014 9:01 p.m.

    Wow a #5 seed. That is a slap in the face. Time to get back to reality. Just because you get beat by better opponents doesn't make you prestigious.
    #5 seed. Wow.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 16, 2014 8:54 p.m.

    "Now the utes can show how weak the WCC really is."

    Seeing as how the cougs couldn't . . .

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    March 16, 2014 8:37 p.m.

    It's disappointing that Utah didn't get a home game. I'm sure the dismal performance against Arizona didn't help.

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    March 16, 2014 8:23 p.m.

    How ironic is this? BYU plays a PAC12 team, Utah plays a WCC team...

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 16, 2014 7:55 p.m.

    I'm good with a solid NIT berth and I like the matchup. Having watched both teams on several occasions, Utah wins this one going away.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 16, 2014 7:34 p.m.

    Congratulations to the Utes, UVU, Weber State and all of the PAC 12 teams playing in the post season.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    March 16, 2014 7:25 p.m.

    We will have no problem because they are a week conference and we are not and we play good on the road.

    Utes 97
    Mary 32

    Go write it down!

  • ex patria cougar Australia, 00
    March 16, 2014 7:22 p.m.

    It's tournament time:

    Utes -- Welcome to the WCC.

    BYU -- Welcome to the Pac-12

    Hilarious.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 16, 2014 7:20 p.m.

    Utah was projected to be a NIT #2 to #5 seed. So not a bad seeding after the embarrassing loss against Arizona.

    I think it's good that we play on the road. It's another chance to improve, Utah finished 3-3 on the road/neutral sites.

    SMC lost 3 games at home, including a thumping by Gonzaga, so they are beatable.

    ------------

    @worf: "Now the utes can show how weak the WCC really is."

    We already have: Utah 81 BYU 64
    WCC is 1-5 vs PAC-12

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    March 16, 2014 6:58 p.m.

    Now the utes can show how weak the WCC really is.

  • hoghead sandy, UT
    March 16, 2014 6:53 p.m.

    Is this considered None and Done if the U looses in the first round? I'd rather have one and done.