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Published: Saturday, March 15 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Sven
Morgan, UT

"Why would a coach have his team completely demoralize the opposing team? Why would he have his team full-court press for more than three quarters when the outcome of the game was decided in the first quarter?"

Your comment perfectly underscores the fact that we are becoming a society of wimps. What, should there be a rule in place to give the losing team some mercy points? Should the winning team be penalized if they are winning by too many points? Good grief, this is a sporting event. Are you afraid these little darlings will be scared for life?

Tell you what, just so nobody gets their feelings hurt, let's just quit keeping score. Wouldn't want their self-esteem to be damaged.

Kids need to learn that in life, we don't always win; sometimes we lose. Sports can help teach kids to be good winners and losers. Everyone needs to understand, in this life, we don't have a utopia. sometimes you lode. Deal with it!

John Charity Spring
Back Home in Davis County, UT

Steve is absolutely correct in his analysis here. Bountiful High is well known in Davis County for its lack of decorum and sportsmanship.

By and large, the population of Bountiful High is higher income. Its sports teams have historically delighted in destroying lower income teams. Indeed, humiliating opponents appears to be the goal.

If the UHSAA had any backbone at all, it would strip Bountiful of its ill-gotten trophy and would ban all its sports teams until the schoolas a whole realizes that high school athletics should be about displaying sportsmanship and good character.

Betcha
Waltham, MA

I understand what your saying, we our the school that lives close to Bountiful, Woods Cross and we have been taking this from them for years.. I always feel the same way with the rivalry of Utah and BYU, If ever I have any thing on from BYU people make comments to me that are mean .. I get so tired of rivalries, why can't people just have there favorite team and cheer their heads off for them, and leave all the other teams alone?

FT
salt lake city, UT

If the accusations in this letter are true, it really should start with parents of children from Bountiful HS. They should go directly to the Pricincipal and district and demand better behavior from the students and coach.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

As a Bountiful High alum, I'm ashamed to hear this account. If true, the story makes me sick. Where is the principal, and what is he doing about those abusive kids in the stands? Why is the coach running his program like this? Where are the parents, my neighbors?

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Its a game. If you want class, go stay at the Stein Ericksen lodge.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Too bad not all coaches are like those from Roosevelt (wasn't it?) who took action to stop bullying by suspending the entire team until they had done some serious public service and apologizing.

Cincinnatus
Kearns, UT

I agree with the substance of this letter, but some of the comments went off track:

@Sven- Do you think this was a war, or a game? It's fine to stand to defend your country or your beliefs with a backbone of steel, but this is about sportsmanship, on and off the court. Many, many coaches from the little league level to the pro's will put in subs, and back off the scoring drives, when they are so far ahead that more points don't matter. That's a sign of class.

@JCS- I was finding myself in a rare moment of agreement with you- until you went off the deep end and made this about income levels. As I said above- this is about sportsmanship. How you suddenly made this about a "rich" school vs. a "poor" school has nothing to do with the the game, or the alleged lack of sportsmanship shown at this game.

In sports, there are winners and losers. That's part of playing games. Unfortunately, we've come to make sports equivalent to war- destroy the enemy at all costs, demoralize them, and leave no one standing.

Ralph West Jordan
Taylorsville, UT

Re: Sven

You said it best " Sports can help teach kids to be good winners and losers." I think that's the point the writer of the forum post was trying to make! Sound to me like you would make a great replacement if the Bountiful coach decides to retire! Its a shame a great season record ends on a sour note because of these kinds of attitudes! Win at all costs is a pathetic lesson to teach young people! I am wondering if it wouldn't have been better to give the second string some seldom played minutes rather than keep the studs in to make an ill gotten statement!

Back to your statement Sven, did that game make the Bountiful five feel like "Good Winners"?

Really???
Kearns, UT

On the flip side, I would like to commend the sportsmanship of the losing team of this particular game. The took the loss in stride,they didn't whine to the officials, and they moved on. I am proud of the boys on the Cyprus basketball team.

tigger
AMERICAN FORK, UT

I understand a healthy lead, but 60 points is outrageous. I get that a coach needs to maintain a certain rhythm with his players to be ready for future games. I get that the subs need an opportunity to use and practice their skills. Sometimes emotions run high and family, friends and other spectators don't always see things objectively. Even giving the the coach these benefits of doubt, the game, as described, sounds awful. Worse than awful. Poor sportsmanship at its very worst. Poor leadership from coaches, team leaders, school administrators and parents. Wow, too many players and school kids learning such poor life lessons in this scenario.

riverofsun
St.George, Utah

Is the familiar cheer at the higher income Utah County high schools,
"It's alright, It's ok. You'll all work for us someday",
still popular at all of their sporting events?

airnaut
Everett, 00

It in the High Schools, on the Freeways, and in the communities.

This is not just a "Bountiful" problem,
This is a "Utah" problem.

And the problem is learned in the "homes".

wrz
Phoenix, AZ

@Cincinnatus:
"Many, many coaches from the little league level to the pro's will put in subs, and back off the scoring drives, when they are so far ahead that more points don't matter. That's a sign of class."

Excellent point. Getting so far ahead in a game gives the coach an opportunity to let his subs get some playing experience.

Sven
Morgan, UT

To those taking me to task for my remarks, go back and read what I quoted from Steven’s letter. Hint: it's the first paragraph and it's in quotes. I was not responding to the childish antics of some of the fans, but was instead addressing the wimpy attitude that our society has been adopting, by looking at Steven’s criticism of the Bountiful teams legitimate win.

So, in the mind of some here, the Bountiful Team’s outstanding teamwork and performance (e.g. “full court press”, and “three-pointers”) is being lumped together and compared with the behavior of some rowdy fans…seriously? Has it occurred to any of you that these kids worked their tails off to be as good as they are? Why not ask the Cyprus Coach why his team did so poorly.

Steven, while you look at this Coach with nothing but contempt, I see a man who taught his players the value of teamwork, and doing their best. Sadly, we live in time where success (e.g. academic, business, financial) is treated with contempt by people like Steven. Unfortunate the way you’ve attacked these kids.

Ralph West Jordan
Taylorsville, UT

Re Sven:

I don't recall any of the posters insinuating that the Bountiful team had not" worked their tails off to be as good as they are" and it is obvious that the Bountiful Coach " is a man who taught his players the value of teamwork, and doing their best" culminating in an outstanding season record. What in my opinion this very capable coach came up short on was teaching and leading his team how to win with "Class". There is much more to sports, games and competition than Just "Winning". How we win comes into play or at least it should. Do you or do you not agree!.

In my opinion as a Coach, parent or fan, I would rather have my team walk off the court or field win or lose with "Class" than with a win with no class as did Bountiful that night!

eagle
Provo, UT

riverofsun:

Yes, that cheer is still around...

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "John Charity Spring" and "Irony Guy" and anybody else who didn't like BHS winning by too many points.

I get the part about the students making obscene gestures or using foul language. That is definately out of line.

However, the coach at BHS was doing his job. His job is to coach the basketball team and to WIN games. He is not there to make the other team feel good about themselves. The goal is to determine which team has the best combination of coach and players.

Would you insist that Green Bay stop winning so much so that the other teams can feel good about themselves?

Confused
Sandy, UT

Redshirt,
There is a big difference between "Winning" games and "Running up the Score".

BHS coach ran up the score by keeping his starters in, continuing to shoot 3's, full court press....

If he had an ounce of class, he would have put his second and third string in the game when it was apparent that the game was clearly over.

Every good coach knows when to call off the dogs when the other team is not as good as his team.

Here is what I know for a fact.... BHS is going to run into a buzz saw in the future, and the coach of that team will show no mercy or sportsmanship.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Confused" what is wrong with running up the score? Some of the Seniors could be looking to get recruited for college basketball. How would it look to pull them out because they are scoring too good.

Actually, a good coach knows that it is ok to run up the score.

Read "Running Up the Score" on sports sign up, "Why You Should Always Run Up the Score" on FirstThings, and "Is running up the score a problem?" on ESPN.

The problem with pulling back players and stopping them from running up the score goes contrary to what the coaches have been teaching them. By stopping them, the experts explain, that you are telling the kids on the team that it is wrong to be better than the other team.

Do you really want to teach kids that it is wrong to perform better than somebody else? Especially in this case, where the only complaints are some of the fans and the score.

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