Published: Saturday, March 15 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT
"Why would a coach have his team completely demoralize the opposing team?
Why would he have his team full-court press for more than three quarters when
the outcome of the game was decided in the first quarter?"Your
comment perfectly underscores the fact that we are becoming a society of wimps.
What, should there be a rule in place to give the losing team some mercy points?
Should the winning team be penalized if they are winning by too many points?
Good grief, this is a sporting event. Are you afraid these little darlings will
be scared for life?Tell you what, just so nobody gets their feelings
hurt, let's just quit keeping score. Wouldn't want their self-esteem
to be damaged. Kids need to learn that in life, we don't
always win; sometimes we lose. Sports can help teach kids to be good winners
and losers. Everyone needs to understand, in this life, we don't have a
utopia. sometimes you lode. Deal with it!
Steve is absolutely correct in his analysis here. Bountiful High is well known
in Davis County for its lack of decorum and sportsmanship. By and
large, the population of Bountiful High is higher income. Its sports teams have
historically delighted in destroying lower income teams. Indeed, humiliating
opponents appears to be the goal.If the UHSAA had any backbone at
all, it would strip Bountiful of its ill-gotten trophy and would ban all its
sports teams until the schoolas a whole realizes that high school athletics
should be about displaying sportsmanship and good character.
I understand what your saying, we our the school that lives close to Bountiful,
Woods Cross and we have been taking this from them for years.. I always feel
the same way with the rivalry of Utah and BYU, If ever I have any thing on
from BYU people make comments to me that are mean .. I get so tired of
rivalries, why can't people just have there favorite team and cheer their
heads off for them, and leave all the other teams alone?
If the accusations in this letter are true, it really should start with parents
of children from Bountiful HS. They should go directly to the Pricincipal and
district and demand better behavior from the students and coach.
As a Bountiful High alum, I'm ashamed to hear this account. If true, the
story makes me sick. Where is the principal, and what is he doing about those
abusive kids in the stands? Why is the coach running his program like this?
Where are the parents, my neighbors?
Its a game. If you want class, go stay at the Stein Ericksen lodge.
Too bad not all coaches are like those from Roosevelt (wasn't it?) who took
action to stop bullying by suspending the entire team until they had done some
serious public service and apologizing.
I agree with the substance of this letter, but some of the comments went off
track:@Sven- Do you think this was a war, or a game? It's fine
to stand to defend your country or your beliefs with a backbone of steel, but
this is about sportsmanship, on and off the court. Many, many coaches from the
little league level to the pro's will put in subs, and back off the scoring
drives, when they are so far ahead that more points don't matter.
That's a sign of class.@JCS- I was finding myself in a rare
moment of agreement with you- until you went off the deep end and made this
about income levels. As I said above- this is about sportsmanship. How you
suddenly made this about a "rich" school vs. a "poor" school has
nothing to do with the the game, or the alleged lack of sportsmanship shown at
this game.In sports, there are winners and losers. That's part
of playing games. Unfortunately, we've come to make sports equivalent to
war- destroy the enemy at all costs, demoralize them, and leave no one standing.
Re: SvenYou said it best " Sports can help teach kids to be good
winners and losers." I think that's the point the writer of the forum
post was trying to make! Sound to me like you would make a great replacement if
the Bountiful coach decides to retire! Its a shame a great season record ends
on a sour note because of these kinds of attitudes! Win at all costs is a
pathetic lesson to teach young people! I am wondering if it wouldn't have
been better to give the second string some seldom played minutes rather than
keep the studs in to make an ill gotten statement! Back to your
statement Sven, did that game make the Bountiful five feel like "Good
On the flip side, I would like to commend the sportsmanship of the losing team
of this particular game. The took the loss in stride,they didn't whine to
the officials, and they moved on. I am proud of the boys on the Cyprus
I understand a healthy lead, but 60 points is outrageous. I get that a coach
needs to maintain a certain rhythm with his players to be ready for future
games. I get that the subs need an opportunity to use and practice their
skills. Sometimes emotions run high and family, friends and other spectators
don't always see things objectively. Even giving the the coach these
benefits of doubt, the game, as described, sounds awful. Worse than awful. Poor
sportsmanship at its very worst. Poor leadership from coaches, team leaders,
school administrators and parents. Wow, too many players and school kids
learning such poor life lessons in this scenario.
Is the familiar cheer at the higher income Utah County high schools, "It's alright, It's ok. You'll all work for us
someday",still popular at all of their sporting events?
It in the High Schools, on the Freeways, and in the communities.This
is not just a "Bountiful" problem, This is a "Utah"
problem.And the problem is learned in the "homes".
@Cincinnatus:"Many, many coaches from the little league level to the
pro's will put in subs, and back off the scoring drives, when they are so
far ahead that more points don't matter. That's a sign of
class."Excellent point. Getting so far ahead in a game gives
the coach an opportunity to let his subs get some playing experience.
To those taking me to task for my remarks, go back and read what I quoted from
Steven’s letter. Hint: it's the first paragraph and it's in
quotes. I was not responding to the childish antics of some of the fans, but
was instead addressing the wimpy attitude that our society has been adopting, by
looking at Steven’s criticism of the Bountiful teams legitimate win. So, in the mind of some here, the Bountiful Team’s outstanding
teamwork and performance (e.g. “full court press”, and
“three-pointers”) is being lumped together and compared with the
behavior of some rowdy fans…seriously? Has it occurred to any of you that
these kids worked their tails off to be as good as they are? Why not ask the
Cyprus Coach why his team did so poorly.Steven, while you look at
this Coach with nothing but contempt, I see a man who taught his players the
value of teamwork, and doing their best. Sadly, we live in time where success
(e.g. academic, business, financial) is treated with contempt by people like
Steven. Unfortunate the way you’ve attacked these kids.
Re Sven:I don't recall any of the posters insinuating that the
Bountiful team had not" worked their tails off to be as good as they
are" and it is obvious that the Bountiful Coach " is a man who taught
his players the value of teamwork, and doing their best" culminating in an
outstanding season record. What in my opinion this very capable coach came up
short on was teaching and leading his team how to win with "Class".
There is much more to sports, games and competition than Just "Winning".
How we win comes into play or at least it should. Do you or do you not agree!.
In my opinion as a Coach, parent or fan, I would rather have my
team walk off the court or field win or lose with "Class" than with a
win with no class as did Bountiful that night!
riverofsun:Yes, that cheer is still around...
To "John Charity Spring" and "Irony Guy" and anybody else who
didn't like BHS winning by too many points.I get the part about
the students making obscene gestures or using foul language. That is definately
out of line.However, the coach at BHS was doing his job. His job is
to coach the basketball team and to WIN games. He is not there to make the
other team feel good about themselves. The goal is to determine which team has
the best combination of coach and players.Would you insist that
Green Bay stop winning so much so that the other teams can feel good about
Redshirt,There is a big difference between "Winning" games and
"Running up the Score".BHS coach ran up the score by keeping
his starters in, continuing to shoot 3's, full court press....If he had an ounce of class, he would have put his second and third string in
the game when it was apparent that the game was clearly over. Every
good coach knows when to call off the dogs when the other team is not as good as
his team.Here is what I know for a fact.... BHS is going to run into
a buzz saw in the future, and the coach of that team will show no mercy or
To "Confused" what is wrong with running up the score? Some of the
Seniors could be looking to get recruited for college basketball. How would it
look to pull them out because they are scoring too good.Actually, a
good coach knows that it is ok to run up the score.Read "Running
Up the Score" on sports sign up, "Why You Should Always Run Up the
Score" on FirstThings, and "Is running up the score a problem?" on
ESPN.The problem with pulling back players and stopping them from
running up the score goes contrary to what the coaches have been teaching them.
By stopping them, the experts explain, that you are telling the kids on the team
that it is wrong to be better than the other team.Do you really want
to teach kids that it is wrong to perform better than somebody else? Especially
in this case, where the only complaints are some of the fans and the score.
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