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Published: Friday, March 14 2014 10:49 p.m. MDT

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gmlewis
Houston, TX

@DocHolliday - "I tasted it for many years ... it isn't real. It is in the minds of those who believe it."

When a person begins to reject what the Holy Ghost has testified to him, he forgets the reality of his former spiritual experiences.

Matthew 13:12 "For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath."

Alma 26:21 "21 And now behold, my brethren, what natural man is there that knoweth these things? I say unto you, there is none that knoweth these things, save it be the penitent."

I believe you that you tasted it for years, and that you have lost that sense of taste and are no longer conscious of your spirit within you.

DocHolliday
reno, NV

1.96 -

Your argument is that since the %15 doesn't contain the book of Abraham, then the remaining %85 must contain it? Remember, the %15 we do have is not what Joseph Smith said it was. All of his 'translations' on the figures and the rituals were wrong. If they were wrong, why would you assume that the rest is right? That, my friend, is poor logic.

Bj-hp

It us a small, obscure church like many others in the world. Nothing more. Your opinion that it is true doesn't change the reality that it isn't. David whitmer and Martin Harris later said that they saw the plates in spirit... in a field they had to pray to see the plates... Meanwhile the plates were still sitting in Joseph's house while they were in the field praying to see them... It doesn't add up

GreatScot
Eagle Mountain, UT

It would seem we have a straw man argument here. Assume that Joseph Smith translated the Book of Abraham from fragments found at the New York Museum and Church archives and then show that they don't match what he wrote. The amount of papyri that Joseph Smith had was voluminous. The Book of Abraham is short. The fragments would represent only a tiny portion of the original record.

Kronk
Blackfoot, ID

Most of these posts are arguing the truth or non-truth of the Church. Interesting discussion, but it misses the point of the lawsuit. At its most basic level, it is about frededom of religion. Do I have a right to believe in a religion that most people don't believe in? Do I have a right to voluntarily pay tithing (a practice as old as the Old Testament)? If I feel I am being defrauded by voluntarily paying tithing, my first recourse should be to decide to stop paying it. No bishop or stake president, in my many decades of paying tithing, has ever taken the slightest step toward "verifying" that I am telling the truth. I say I pay a full tithing, they say OK, and there is not the least bit of arm-twisting or verification. Oh, and not a penny of that tithing goes to those bishops or stake presidents. They also pay, same as I do. Some may not like this, but it does not constitute fraud.

janesmith123
Portland, OR

The case was rejected. The judge said it never should have made it to court.

JM
Lehi, UT

TomP might fit better with haters of the past, but he's not unique. He uses bogus claims to try to jail prophets etc. and to take millions from charitable LDS. He prophesies that he'll bring all LDS down, perhaps hoping others will fall for the same old hate-promoting rumors? He claims he is doing ALL this FOR those that he seeks to harm, but I think he's completely aware that he is dishonest and knows even the best of anti-mormon claims are simple fallacious repeats, and that the evidence indicates the BofA is translated correctly (including the facs (does Doc believe the BofA now that he knows that and since Whitmer and Harris etc. made it clear that the plates, Moroni, etc were VERY REAL? :)
And overwhelming evidence also indicates that the BofM is ancient, historical, etc. And Native Americans are related to Levites, Jews, etc. (peoples of the Middle East)in MANY detailed ways (impossible to be just chance), including: religion, DNA, etc.
So, what's he thinking? Probably nothing.

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