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Published: Friday, March 14 2014 8:40 p.m. MDT

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CHS 85
Sandy, UT

Just like they won in 2012!

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

From my observations over my lifetime... Republicans only win when Democrats have gotten us into such huge government spending that America will elect ANYBODY who promises to get us out.

Problem is... Republicans (after all their promises) rarely do much better than Democrats. So we go back to Democrats.

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With the exception of George H. W Bush after Ronald Reagan, America has not elected the same party back to back in my lifetime. The last time it happened (besides Bush and Reagan) was Trueman and Roosevelt. 1940s.

We've gone back and forth electing a Republican and then a Democrat since the 1940s.

Maybe it's time for somebody who's neither...

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Democrats who bet that a Republican will never be elected President again are probably wrong. That assumption ignores our history and assumes that our trend will change 100% of the time. I think there's a pretty slim chance of that.

But Lee is right... Republicans need to promote their plan (and it has to be different than the Democrat's plan)

They must stop bashing Obama. Just as Democrats eventually learned they couldn't win just bashing Bush.

You have to have a plan... not an anti-plan...

liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

I agree, conservatives have come up with some good ideas, like Richard Nixon establishing the EPA, and the ultra conservative Heritage Foundation developing the basic principles of Obamacare!

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

This is not the GOP of Reagan. Compared to today's Tea partiers, he's a moderate. In fact, he would be booed off the stage at any of today's GOP state conventions.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

liberal larry,
I don't think Republicans are going to win just by promising to do the same or similar things Democrats promise (like the EPA and Obamacare even if they proposed those originally).

I think they have to propose and even PROMISE to cut spending (Something we know Americans will never believe Democrats will do). And then they need to do it.

Problem is... if they do it... it will be painful for some people who's program gets cut. So they can't expect to get RE-elected. I think that's why they always chicken-out.

And that's where the cycle starts over... Democrat in, big spending, people get fed up, elect Republican, they chicken-out or actually make cuts and tick people off... back to Democrats... repeat, repeat, repeat...

mcclark
Salt Lake City, UT

Reagan ran up the national debt.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Blue,
I disagree. I think you judge people to harshly (Republican people). I think Reagan would be asked and he would be a welcome speaker at any Republican Convention.

That doesn't mean everybody there would agree with him on everything (but that's OK I think).

For instance... they may point out that the amnesty part of his immigration reform bill didn't work. And he may get some grief for the Iran Contra thingy. But I don't think they would boo him off the stage (in any State... especially in Utah).

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

mcclark,
I'm not sure if you're aware of this... but the Congress controls the budget (not the President). And we had a Democrat Congress when Reagan was President. I think they deserve at least SOME of the blame for the budgets they passed.

If you will remember... Reagan asked for a certain amount of cuts, and promised to VETO the budget if he didn't get at least 1/2 of those cuts. The Democrats tried him... 3 times... and he veto'd it... 3 times. I remember these instances (when the Government was shutdown 3 times during the Reagan Administration) because my job was to write the software to calculate Medicaid/Medicare Reimbursements for hospitals, and the algorithm would change each time they passed an interim budget to get us down the road a few months... and then we were right back in the stalemate where we started (kinda like the shenanigans Republicans pulled recently with President Obama).

But you can't 100% blame Reagan for the budgets the Democrat Congress passed.

He DID ask for more cuts... they just refused to give them. Not even 1/2 of what he requested!

gee-en
Salt Lake City, UT

Excellent points Mr. Lee...I totally agree. Now if they could be not just words, but channeled into some kind of appropriate action, our country could be on a little better track.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

"It’s time for the Republican Party to stop talking about Ronald Reagan and start acting like him."
Does this mean raising taxes on the wealthy and corporations back to the levels they were during the reagon years? Do that and you may have my attention.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

2 bits,

How about if we restored Reagan-level tax rates? Can we get a contemporary Republican to re-introduce Reagan's Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982?

Or how about this from Mike Huckabee in 2011: "Ronald Reagan would have a very difficult, if not impossible, time being nominated in this atmosphere of the Republican Party."

See what I mean?

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

"And we see it at the top, where political and corporate elites rig the system to benefit themselves at the expense of small businesses and working families." Well, at least Senator Lee sees this, but he does not see clearly. The collapse of 2008 was produced by the banking business' marketing of bogus paper, feeding a bubble which of necessity popped. To save American capitalism the Bush and Obama administrations saved the guys at the very top, rescued the big banks, insurance companies, and automobile manufacturers. Now, these beneficiaries were supposed to support the down-line economy (that was the deal), but they did not oblige. In our system they didn't have to. So the economy continues to founder and middle and lower classes die slow deaths.

The 1% of 1% didn't "rig" the system. The system did its thing after being rescued by government, which government had to do to save the system. I don't think a guy with Senator Lee's ideology can ever get this. But we desperately need him to "get it."

As Marx would say, "it's not the people [who are the cause], it's the system."

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

Yeah, right. These same old ideas have got us where we are today.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

It's interesting how Reagan, one of the worst President's in history is so often held up as the epitome of Conservatism.

Reagan had Alzheimer's, a horrible degenerative brain disease. When Reagan claimed he had no knowledge at all of the Iran-Contra affair, he wasn't lying, he really did not remember. Reagan did not remember because his brain was damaged by Alzheimer's disease, and that of course was not his fault.

This brain-damaged President proved to be extremely pliable and the perfect puppet for Right Wing power brokers, because he was above all an actor, and he could deliver wonderful performances given the right script.

When you think about it, is it really that surprising to find that the only brain-damaged President in history is regarded as the paragon of Conservative virtues?

GZE
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

"Iran-Contra thingy"? That thingy was the most immoral action by a US President (or presidential candidate) ever.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

2 bits -

"With the exception of George H. W Bush after Ronald Reagan, America has not elected the same party back to back in my lifetime. The last time it happened (besides Bush and Reagan) was Trueman and Roosevelt. 1940s."

No that’s not the last time it happened. LBJ was elected after JFK.

And what's this about Democratic Presidents and "huge" government spending?

Reagan TRIPLED the national debt. And GW more than DOUBLED it again. And neither President had any legitimate reason for doing so.

That's pretty huge.

The Hammer
lehi, utah

Actually the reason Republicans will win is because the Democrats have proved terrible at governing. Ideas don't have much to do with it especially in a mid-term election that proves nothing because no one is at the top of the ticket.

Mike Lee's Ideas were the Ideas that Mitt Romney ran on in 2012. Their platforms were almost identical and Romney lost partly because of that and partly because republican infighting took money away from the summer campaign.

The tea party will never have a mandate if they continue to kick people out of their ever shrinking clique.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Republicans need to tell us what exactly what they will do differently from what George Bush Jr. did. They need to tell us which of his policies they will repeal and which of his ideas they will renounce. Up till now all I hear is a repeat of George W, and that was a disaster.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

it is rather comical to read the tit for tat drivel between the democratic and Republican supporters! I mean how obvious can it possibly be for anyone that can with a rudimentary education that both of these parties are absolutely about retaining power rather than actually solving problems! What is it that drives this ignorance and distortion of reality? It isn't about third party or any other party. it is about becoming an American! Americans do not ask the government to solve problems that real Americans can solve themselves! Grow up people! Does it make you feel like you are a part of something by supporting another democratic or republican charade? Don't! Quit trying to "fix" things! let people figure it out and get the heck out of their way! Helicopter parents aren't even close to the helicopter supporters of ideas by politicians that only make things worse!

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

A Tea-Partier singing the praises of Reagan?

Who,
signed abortion legislation,
raised the debt 17 times,
banned hand guns and assault weapons,
introduce universal healthcare in the ER, regardless of insurance or ability to pay,
granted amnesty to illegal immigrants,
increased spending and decreased taxes,
and
traded weapons to IRAN for hostages.

Reagan would branded a RINO,
and boo'd by these sorts.

Tell me,
If ANY GOP candidate were to run as a true Reaganite,
He'd never make it past the Tea-Party lead primaries...

[But, I can almost guarantee he'd win the National General Elections by a landslide not seen by the GOP's win with Reagan's 1984 49 out of 50 states.

But keep going Tea-Partiers, you are your parties own worst enemy, and the Democrats best friend.
If I'd known better, I'd think the Democrats were funding your caucus AND sponsoring Limbaugh, Beck and Hannity themselves.]

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