Published: Friday, March 14 2014 8:40 p.m. MDT
Just like they won in 2012!
From my observations over my lifetime... Republicans only win when Democrats
have gotten us into such huge government spending that America will elect
ANYBODY who promises to get us out.Problem is... Republicans (after
all their promises) rarely do much better than Democrats. So we go back to
Democrats.===With the exception of George H. W Bush
after Ronald Reagan, America has not elected the same party back to back in my
lifetime. The last time it happened (besides Bush and Reagan) was Trueman and
Roosevelt. 1940s.We've gone back and forth electing a
Republican and then a Democrat since the 1940s.Maybe it's time
for somebody who's neither...===Democrats who bet
that a Republican will never be elected President again are probably wrong.
That assumption ignores our history and assumes that our trend will change 100%
of the time. I think there's a pretty slim chance of that.But
Lee is right... Republicans need to promote their plan (and it has to be
different than the Democrat's plan) They must stop bashing
Obama. Just as Democrats eventually learned they couldn't win just bashing
Bush.You have to have a plan... not an anti-plan...
I agree, conservatives have come up with some good ideas, like Richard Nixon
establishing the EPA, and the ultra conservative Heritage Foundation developing
the basic principles of Obamacare!
This is not the GOP of Reagan. Compared to today's Tea partiers, he's
a moderate. In fact, he would be booed off the stage at any of today's GOP
liberal larry,I don't think Republicans are going to win just by
promising to do the same or similar things Democrats promise (like the EPA and
Obamacare even if they proposed those originally).I think they have
to propose and even PROMISE to cut spending (Something we know Americans will
never believe Democrats will do). And then they need to do it.Problem is... if they do it... it will be painful for some people who's
program gets cut. So they can't expect to get RE-elected. I think
that's why they always chicken-out.And that's where the
cycle starts over... Democrat in, big spending, people get fed up, elect
Republican, they chicken-out or actually make cuts and tick people off... back
to Democrats... repeat, repeat, repeat...
Reagan ran up the national debt.
Blue,I disagree. I think you judge people to harshly (Republican people).
I think Reagan would be asked and he would be a welcome speaker at any
Republican Convention.That doesn't mean everybody there would
agree with him on everything (but that's OK I think).For
instance... they may point out that the amnesty part of his immigration reform
bill didn't work. And he may get some grief for the Iran Contra thingy.
But I don't think they would boo him off the stage (in any State...
especially in Utah).
mcclark,I'm not sure if you're aware of this... but the Congress
controls the budget (not the President). And we had a Democrat Congress when
Reagan was President. I think they deserve at least SOME of the blame for the
budgets they passed.If you will remember... Reagan asked for a
certain amount of cuts, and promised to VETO the budget if he didn't get at
least 1/2 of those cuts. The Democrats tried him... 3 times... and he
veto'd it... 3 times. I remember these instances (when the Government was
shutdown 3 times during the Reagan Administration) because my job was to write
the software to calculate Medicaid/Medicare Reimbursements for hospitals, and
the algorithm would change each time they passed an interim budget to get us
down the road a few months... and then we were right back in the stalemate where
we started (kinda like the shenanigans Republicans pulled recently with
President Obama).But you can't 100% blame Reagan for the
budgets the Democrat Congress passed.He DID ask for more cuts...
they just refused to give them. Not even 1/2 of what he requested!
Excellent points Mr. Lee...I totally agree. Now if they could be not just words,
but channeled into some kind of appropriate action, our country could be on a
little better track.
"It’s time for the Republican Party to stop talking about Ronald
Reagan and start acting like him." Does this mean raising taxes on the
wealthy and corporations back to the levels they were during the reagon years?
Do that and you may have my attention.
2 bits,How about if we restored Reagan-level tax rates? Can we get
a contemporary Republican to re-introduce Reagan's Tax Equity and Fiscal
Responsibility Act of 1982?Or how about this from Mike Huckabee in
2011: "Ronald Reagan would have a very difficult, if not impossible, time
being nominated in this atmosphere of the Republican Party."See
what I mean?
"And we see it at the top, where political and corporate elites rig the
system to benefit themselves at the expense of small businesses and working
families." Well, at least Senator Lee sees this, but he does not see
clearly. The collapse of 2008 was produced by the banking business'
marketing of bogus paper, feeding a bubble which of necessity popped. To save
American capitalism the Bush and Obama administrations saved the guys at the
very top, rescued the big banks, insurance companies, and automobile
manufacturers. Now, these beneficiaries were supposed to support the down-line
economy (that was the deal), but they did not oblige. In our system they
didn't have to. So the economy continues to founder and middle and lower
classes die slow deaths.The 1% of 1% didn't "rig" the
system. The system did its thing after being rescued by government, which
government had to do to save the system. I don't think a guy with Senator
Lee's ideology can ever get this. But we desperately need him to "get
it."As Marx would say, "it's not the people [who are
the cause], it's the system."
Yeah, right. These same old ideas have got us where we are today.
It's interesting how Reagan, one of the worst President's in history
is so often held up as the epitome of Conservatism.Reagan had
Alzheimer's, a horrible degenerative brain disease. When Reagan claimed he
had no knowledge at all of the Iran-Contra affair, he wasn't lying, he
really did not remember. Reagan did not remember because his brain was damaged
by Alzheimer's disease, and that of course was not his fault.This brain-damaged President proved to be extremely pliable and the perfect
puppet for Right Wing power brokers, because he was above all an actor, and he
could deliver wonderful performances given the right script.When you
think about it, is it really that surprising to find that the only brain-damaged
President in history is regarded as the paragon of Conservative virtues?
"Iran-Contra thingy"? That thingy was the most immoral action by a US
President (or presidential candidate) ever.
2 bits -"With the exception of George H. W Bush after Ronald
Reagan, America has not elected the same party back to back in my lifetime. The
last time it happened (besides Bush and Reagan) was Trueman and Roosevelt.
1940s."No that’s not the last time it happened. LBJ was
elected after JFK. And what's this about Democratic Presidents
and "huge" government spending?Reagan TRIPLED the national
debt. And GW more than DOUBLED it again. And neither President had any
legitimate reason for doing so.That's pretty huge.
Actually the reason Republicans will win is because the Democrats have proved
terrible at governing. Ideas don't have much to do with it especially in a
mid-term election that proves nothing because no one is at the top of the
ticket.Mike Lee's Ideas were the Ideas that Mitt Romney ran on
in 2012. Their platforms were almost identical and Romney lost partly because
of that and partly because republican infighting took money away from the summer
campaign. The tea party will never have a mandate if they continue
to kick people out of their ever shrinking clique.
Republicans need to tell us what exactly what they will do differently from what
George Bush Jr. did. They need to tell us which of his policies they will repeal
and which of his ideas they will renounce. Up till now all I hear is a repeat of
George W, and that was a disaster.
it is rather comical to read the tit for tat drivel between the democratic and
Republican supporters! I mean how obvious can it possibly be for anyone that
can with a rudimentary education that both of these parties are absolutely about
retaining power rather than actually solving problems! What is it that drives
this ignorance and distortion of reality? It isn't about third party or
any other party. it is about becoming an American! Americans do not ask the
government to solve problems that real Americans can solve themselves! Grow up
people! Does it make you feel like you are a part of something by supporting
another democratic or republican charade? Don't! Quit trying to
"fix" things! let people figure it out and get the heck out of their
way! Helicopter parents aren't even close to the helicopter supporters of
ideas by politicians that only make things worse!
A Tea-Partier singing the praises of Reagan?Who, signed
abortion legislation, raised the debt 17 times, banned hand guns and
assault weapons, introduce universal healthcare in the ER, regardless of
insurance or ability to pay, granted amnesty to illegal immigrants, increased spending and decreased taxes, and traded weapons to IRAN
for hostages.Reagan would branded a RINO, and boo'd by
these sorts.Tell me, If ANY GOP candidate were to run as a
true Reaganite, He'd never make it past the Tea-Party lead
primaries...[But, I can almost guarantee he'd win the National
General Elections by a landslide not seen by the GOP's win with
Reagan's 1984 49 out of 50 states.But keep going Tea-Partiers,
you are your parties own worst enemy, and the Democrats best friend.If
I'd known better, I'd think the Democrats were funding your caucus AND
sponsoring Limbaugh, Beck and Hannity themselves.]
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